CG, Eid wanagsan bro, this is your Eid gift, HE Adnan Oktar aka Harun Yahya enjoy it .

CG, true that "rationality" is overrated in the sense that even those least rational among us claim to be "rational", in that sense and only in that sense it really is overrated, yet on its own merits, no sane person has ever taken the humblest of positions without attempting to pay respect to its sincere tenets. Belief is based on evidence with a notch of intuition and in that regard i agree with you that its the glaring facts of reality and its uncertainities that stand soley against the whims of absolute beliefs, hence, one normally can't decide to just believe, and truth for the sake of truth is the least one can demand. One intresting aspect of religious theists that i always found strange was the emmence of their capacity to reject the Gods,Prophets and Angels of their equally religious fellow theists who believe in different ones, and mostly on same grounds that i reject their own Gods, Prophets and Angels. Reality fosters a mere possibility of the existence of a Deity and that is all there is to manoeuvre around for a religious theist, though a shrinking and crowded territory, still harmless and deserving stance, sometimes even vouchs for an acceptance, kept in its tiny tuxedo,that is. but when dressed with the superfluities of false garments,long beards, sacrificial redemptions,when washed in the blood of the lamb, when taken for crusades or "iftitah", massacres, holy wars, sticks turning to snakes, girls giving birth to babyboys without sleeping with men,punishments with fire or silly virgin rewards, all that in the name of the good, the streaming of that prose simpley doesen't sync with the mere possibility offered by reality. I'm of the idea that the exigencies of life are best met when we stay true and real in our existence and for that i'd like to share the words of Robert G. Ingersoll. "Call me infidel, call me Atheist, call me what you will, I intend to so treat my children that they can come to my grave and truthfully say, 'He who sleeps here never gave us one moment of pain. From his lips, now dust, never came to us an unkind word.'" Xiinow,Buckley Jr bad noo kentay?! So I believe that it is as likely that there should be a man without a country, as a world without a creator Ah, that is classic Xiinow, a car without a driver , a room without door , a man without woman, the list is endless, all are wonderful similes xiinow, just one tiny fact , all are infinite regress that beg the question and the futility of invoking God to terminate that regess is perniciously misleading at best. Eid mubarak to all!!

CG, thanks for the enlightment , i really appreciated it the way u presented the ὅπερ ἔδει δει̂ξαι. Despite LST's hands off approach we coulden't keep away , u know the flies around that coffe mug. Camir's intensified assertion could of have maintained the blostred status quo to temporary Q.E.F, but forgot about the rigorous deduction, and we were to settle down for a tongue-in-cheek kind of "ilaahaa ka cabso", a meager Q.E.D if u like, but absolutely possitively not a U+25A0 . I've always been a great fan of the way Albert put it , dispite the out-of-context run-inns for the dedicated, the solid point is made and rationallydelivered.

Tuujiyee, which is more saddening as you see it, that Einstein never believed in God or that God did not guide him to the right path?

^There could be a difference between a well spiced burger of Horse-meat and that mountain of blackhhhhhhhhh.

It is but rationally intriguing to think that Yey is lobbying for more of the same TFG, namely more Gheddi as the contrary would hint a healthy and independant president of an independant nation, which is, but the case.

deeply repugnant !!

Its a brainwashing allright ?!, but beeing exposed to the poisonous contents of these videos, one'd be more concerned about the risk of a young Somali brother wearing a vest of explossives than the risk of an allegedly lost 'ummah'. a prospective? .

Originally posted by Zafir: Viks, Isn’t your destiny prewritten before you even come to existance? Isn’t the promise to either hell or heaven already written down in looxul maxfuuth? That question, sure makes mirror dede turn around in his grave, Raji and the way he questions should be copyrighted.

OK , meel wan ku faristay , lakin, tell me , if you sleep once with a Halimo , are you automatically qualified for more sex with her? how many NO does it take to disqualify you ? Go ahead, air more of that, i guess i was wrong assuming that you were more reasonable than this!!

FB , actually i've come back home from st paul , not exactly but were in one of those near appartments , wish the id*ot came over to where i was , he'd get all( girls,drinking) for FREE. And yes , i need that kind of help, i saw this Ukhti there and i can think of saving a beard , given that i get the assurance of having her butter-milk. Seriously , i dont think RedSea supports such actions , its just that he dislikes drinking girls so much that a rapist can get away.

Ok,ok,ok, let me understand this smart reasoning ,A girl is like a peace of meat , if she doesent hide behind 6 meterts of thick Jalbab , she has herself to blame ? check ,, ok i can somehow buy that. A sober girl declines to sleep with you , you go "ok, she doesen't want me? fine " , but then a drunk girl declines to sleep with you , you go " ama RAPE her, why did she drink in the first place?". Somebody help me here? Is the rapist doing good by only raping those who drink ? maybe he is coming off as nice since he is punishing a vice ( drinking ) by not raping the sober girls. Taking advantage of a drunk or sleeping girl is a heinous offense.

Originally posted by Ghanima: ^^^you married him??? what was wrong with you back then? Shut up, Ghanima B.

lol @ Faarax's B . Naomi,The digsi belongs to the kids , it goes where they go.

Welcome Naomi, and if you ever wonder why you're being treated xtra nice ( compared to all newbies) the reason is nothing but the ( B ) in your nick. You happen to remind people of me Johnny B, the downside of this is men will think that you're related to me and come off themselves in xtreme shokansi, while women will start calling themselves, names like Asha B, Halima B, and why not even Lily B,you don't believe me? just imagine Idil B.

There are two equally wrong claims in HY's piece, the first is he claims that evolution doesent exist, and that is so patently wrong i dont even think losing a breath there. Second is that he claims Atheism is driven from evolution theory and that too is wrong, most Atheists ( that i know of) do believe evolution but they need not to, to be Atheists, Atheism was there in every cultures before Darwin's theory of evolution,however,its true and correct that the scientific community is dominated by those of Agnostic/Atheistic stances but neither Agnoticism nor Atheism demand a belief in the theory of evolution or any other theory for that matter. What HY is trying to do with this kind of rubbish and you seem to be enjoying is not to address evolutionary theory on its own merits, or even question the principles of evolutionary mechanisms, but just try to inject as much uncertainty into the overwhelming evidence from biological evolution as possible. Not to put it too crudely,What Harun position ( yours as well, for that matter ) stands for is that Human-beeings are created as is, by unknown(undefineable if u like ) Deity , namely the Adam/Eve mantra, which fails to genetically relate the different races of human-beeings to Adam. Originally posted by Northerner: 1) I posted HY's opinion on Darwin's Human Evolution Theory (a theory believed by Athiests - who deny there was a creator) 2) You post something about HY's supposed suffi tendencies (unproven and off topic) 3) I ask you to bring forth anything to counter HY's piece (you dont) 4) You come back with 'you dont understand the evolution theory' (you are correct to an extent) 1:Darwin has NO human evolution theory and Atheists are Atheists on different grounds, mostly becouse theists can't present their Gods in coherent mannar. 2: I posted the SOL-link of HY to skip you believing that he represents ISlamic monotheism in a well defined islamic way. 3: I'd difficulties believing that you really think evolution doesent exist. 4:I believe i'm more correct than just " to an extent" judging what you present that is. ME, yes, i did read it many moons ago.

If i'm defending Darwinism ? what is Darwinism? please define it. If i believe that i was Ape in previous milleina? frankly speaking i do ape alot but i was only born in 19.., so no i don't believe that, but that my ancestors were more like Ape-like than i'm is something totally different. Norf , this is more than the usual you pulling our legs, you just can't luckily be so challenged that you wanna take a stance that claims no evolution has taken or is taking place. if that is the case i'd just tell you to give us a break, but if you're onto something and really understand what Darwin's theory of evolution(natural sellection) is about. (As we're not short in nomads who never read Darwins origins of species but memorize and repeat what their Mullahs say), bring it on . That evolution is a fact is for you to do some catching up and understand it, but that you don't understand the exact mechanism of evolution is something you share with many of us. One common misconception that is leveled at all scientific theories, specefically at the Evolution theory is that people tend to believe that a theory is something that is not true or something that conveys an imperfect fact, however,in scientific context, a theory is the structure(s) of idea(s) that explain and interpret a fact(s).

Khayr , sulum inconcinnus has vero quispiam quisnam vallo is , tamen, inconcinnus ego vallo est solus inconcinnus ut est substructio in animadverto , quod meus nomen est Johnny, mos vos agnosco is? ego nuto !

^Let me be nice and just ask you, what kind of evolution are you claiming to not have taken place? skip it, don't answer , i just dont have enough energy to explain the obvious. I've another idea , let us turn this thread to a place where we proof that Evolution of any kind hasent taken place by using the following if and then assertions. let me start , If evolution is right then why men have two breasts(nibbles)?

Sceince is not concerned with what is 'evil' or 'good' , those are prefernce taggs used for expressing how a person or a thing is related to a person or a thing. And to judge your enthusiasm you're way too challenged evolution-wise that is, but to humour you , lets see what observations are you talking about, " Why are humans not still evolving"?

^Both You and Harun share the charechter flaw of beeing irreceptive to genetical mutations. Incase you're on it under the delusion of Islamic monotheism's creationistic stance , you better look at what another Nomad thought of this charlatan. You got to do with Salifi and Co

Norf, i rather revel in my ignorance than pretend to be knowledgeable, no sham or shambles,no bended knees and best of all no vindicative punishment is attached to my Ignorance. Ghany, i`m not kidding. go ahead and let it out on me `bal`, ruin this wonderful morning of mine as you seem to have grown invisible balls since you got back from Burco.

Nothing beats killing a fellow human-beeing in the name of God. What are punch of Yazidi infidels if not a ladder for the `Mujahid` to climb into the heavenly virgins?. The world is sure better off without hundereds of infidels who probably sympathize with the great Satan . Now that the `jihadists` served God by carrying out his will and cleaned the earth of those discusting infidels all is left for us is to hope that God rewards them with more virgins than they`re initially intitled to.

Lol@Hologram ! Ngonge, that is a word i`ll be thinking about on my way home . Ideally speaking, the idea of Makhir ( what a name , who coined it? ) beeing an enotional scale-tilter between Somaliland Puntland is so destructive , though there is the clan issue that favors Puntland in that regard,it has to give in against the contrast of the fact that the State of Makhir(if it ever flies , that is) will actally reig over a former Puntland state. Now beeing a bit realistic , though not given it`ll come off as an emotional victory for Somaliland. I`ve heard Ade is sleeping well in Mogadishu so Puntland may for once get a local not another dying amber from the south as a president and beat Somaliland in that regard. ps, were i u , i`d jump on that plane and have all the fun Norf had, here specially Mlps you`d take the next flight home .

Khalaf, your 2nd attempt to personlize the subject matter under discussion by futile personal assaults is noted but ignored. by Skipping the fatigue of high irritablity, you'd be better off keeping your petulant feelings to yourself,as it doesen't least intrest me or the gallery,in the meantime, articulating ones point of view as reasonable as possible is the desireable manner, unless i'm taking the jungle out of the monkey here, as i can only take the monkey out of the jungle, i'm left with no option but to decline your offer to personlize the subject matter and beat my chest.speaking so, as it were. Before i start pinpointing the blabber in your bungling, allow me to state the otherwise obvious to you, namely, the Islamic world's galorious history regarding sciene has already been covered, what you needed to address was and still is the reason behind almost ten centuries of scientific draught in the Muslim world,and preferably share the scientific miracles that the charlatans whom you prefectly agree with, extract from the Quran, be it may as simple as an Asprin verse. And the science which relies solely upon the human perspective ( indeed very limited, filled with contradictions, and changing all the time) is unable to provide an insight or understanding about the true nature of things nor provide solutions to the many crisis faced by human kind. To be perfectly honest, i find it strange and i've a good reason to think that i'm not alone, that a person who believes that a woman can get pregnant without the sperms of male human-beeing and give birth to a babyboy, would adopt such a position of superiority towards another person of different stance, and utter such mawkishly rubbish against science whose simple defination he so patently misunderstands. your persumptions are such your meager rataionality fails you more often than you could afford. Furthermore this Quran (a “medieval book” with fake tales perhaps according to the likes of JB) contains information on scientific facts which are in agreement with the recent scientific findings. Such are your scientific facts that you've two (not three or four) not only invisble but weightless, ourdorless and soundless beeings on your shoulders recording what you do, and in no way will you let that "Truth" of yours be tested or verified. Is not the human mind and understanding of nature ect very limited? That may so be, but by producing the supernatural to the human mind you can only increase that limit. It is but natural that a person who hallucinates to have the absolute correct answers a number of times everyday cannot but mawkishly think that he actually has the absolute correct answers. if we contrast that with the answers offered by science on so many different issues, we have ample reason to accept the scientific answers.