I Think we should try understand our fellow Shababs like CHE` and Maadeey & co. It is never easy accepting reality (let alone thinking out of the box) after having been subject to the ruthless 'Tashkeel'of their recruiters, coupled with obvious hatred from the Clanish Mainstream towards their terror group, We've to give them the opportunity to be able to examine their stances.

Originally posted by *Ibtisam: Egypt and IGAD FULL support and recognition of SOMALIA has not helped Somalis, nor has it stabilized the country or contributed anything significant to the chaos for the last 22yrs. In the same breath, their lack of recognition or even hostility to the idea of SL independency cannot hinder the ideology of SL independency for as long as those who hold the ideology stick to it. The world has had the same responses for the last 20yrs about SL and it remains in balance because its population either firmly believe the independency ideology or they are happy with the status quo. Let me know when something interesting happens- that goes to both parties: Pro landers please post a thread once someone actually says they are “changing views about the Somaliland case” and anti SL people, please post a thread once Egypt or any other countries says that they are so against the idea of independent SL “that they are going to Bomb and attack the place to destroy the ideology and the power base” till then NOTHING NEW. This deserves a standaing ovation ! .. clap clap clap. I think Ibti produces a better and highly cognitive way of taking political-drawbacks for the Secessionist entity of the Somali people. Dran IGAD, EGYPT and all those UN or regional bodies that constantly lend support to the poor nation of Somalia. A support that according to her should be directed towards this particular part of Somalia BECAUSE, it remains in balance and its inhabitants either firmly believe the Secessionist ideology or they are happy with the status quo. Convulsed as they may be,regarding this constant NO from the world community, those somalis that support the Secessionist entity in that part of Somalia are creative in their manner of taking a political blow after the other, if you can't give them that much .. you're but a HATER.

What lengths do you not go for a scapegoat?! The ugly face of Shabab-terrorism can't be hidden.

Originally posted by 2+2=5: ^ I'm a little confused. Do you want to talk about the notion of God? Creationism carries Christian connotations, so lets strip this discussion of religious connotations, and simply discuss the notion of God, mhmm? Why this sudden confusion?! Isen't it too early to hide behind 'connotations ', be they Christian or Islamic? Ise't islam the LAST holy book of the FOUR in the Abrahamic dynasty? are we sensing a hint of negligence to discuss the very Theory you hold to be (unlike the evolutionary theory) TRUE,namely the Creation Theory ? Let me re-quote you again , the truth is that Allah Almighty created us, everything around us, everything that existed prior to our existence and everything that will exists after us. We did not evolve from an organism, or an ape, nor will we ever evolve into another species. Given that the 'Allah' you claim to worship that has 'created' us and everything around us ( as is ) is the same Deity that according to the Abrahamic dynasty sent Human messengers with the books, Torah, Injel, Zabur and Furqan, we'll have difficulties ceding legitimacy to a 'connotation' disguise. We ask you to define what is an 'Allah'( an 'Ilaah' if you must ) and how did that 'Allah' "create" us and EVERYTHING around us ? Please present and help us understand the theory you hold to be true. Thanks you. Norf, Granted that every ground rule will be respected, just as every ground rule was respected regarding other Theories , lest you DEMAND special treatment for your Theory.

^Apparantly, but then some of us support such actions, i.e only understand such language.

^It really is not that mind boggling if you think a little bit deeper. Probably,here is the hero of Che & co, the 'mujahid', the 'shaheed', the paradise-promised one. removed image.......

^He's not alone , we're many who appreciated the subconcious displayment of the severe deficiency in subject matter, but on different levels, one might add. Now comes the " let's talk about God " part , so let us for once together get interested in the following theory of 'the TRUTH of Creationism'. the truth is that Allah Almighty created us, everything around us, everything that existed prior to our existence and everything that will exists after us. We did not evolve from an organism, or an ape, nor will we ever evolve into another species. You may bring forward ANYTHING that supports that theory of Creationism, and allow us examine it, without telling us that we were molested as children. Fair? .......The floor is yours.

Originally posted by Maaddeey: ^^weli lama oga wax ka dambeeya & wax sheegtay toona. True, But certain Somali terrorists happen to have monopoly on Suicide-bombing other Muslim-Somalis. Very hard to figure that out?!

I am interested in the Truth, and the truth is that Allah Almighty created us, everything around us, everything that existed prior to our existence and everything that will exists after us. We did not evolve from an organism, or an ape, nor will we ever evolve into another species. Only a severe and uninterrupted indoctrination could've caused such obstinacy of such indomitable Truth.

I think it should be part of the CV. Since all it says about you is weather you're superstitious or not. The downside would be though, people, specially deeply religious people tend to strongly DISLKE ( if not hate ) people of different spritual views, hence would not hire them on that ground alone.

Originally posted by *Ibtisam: lol Id*ot foqol fool! Is that a bad thing?!

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^^ So true , so true. Neither am i gonna debate about the millions of minarates without Mosques, that function abnormally normal.

A terror-message = Mixing the pictures of dead people and living political opponents in a blood-red splash. There're better and more civilized ways to deal with political opponents , no?!

^^^There is no point argue with one who thinks that Mosques= Minarets Johnny. Ideally, One'd think that there is even lesser point in arguing with one who can seperate A minarate from a Mosque. Sad that you became poltician and left my Q un-answered.

^Not that the jihaad-crap is worth commenting ,i haven't bothered watching it, but i find the flash terror-messages, by way of pics of dead people and a pic of the president of the Republic not only despicable, but rather not so SOL. Does SOL encourage sending terror messages?!

^ There is no sadness in that house. A 'Ghanima'( booty ) from the 'gaalo' is always a 'Ghanima'. Islamic by the book one might add .

I stand corrected regarding the Symbol of the 'Minarate', and lest one can go against the fact that Mosques (minarates ) were built on those non-Muslim terrotories that were conquered and captured by Muslims,as a sign of 'iftitah', i'll have to swollow it hook, line, and sinker, because Ibti happens to think so. True that the west should not point back at Muslims , since they're what they're , but let muslims have monopoly at pointing at the WEST for all it's shortcommings. Malika, How many churches , Hundu-temples, Budha-temples are in SAUDI ARABIA ( not mecca )? Ibti, Staying practiacal , what neccesiates the Minarates in say,Birminghamn and not in the Alpes? Can you give me something more than what it politically symbolizes, given that Speakers do it's original job?! Basically , it's good to see Democracy in action, but the darn idea collides with the very Swiss ( sorry , not the saudis )constitution.

A prove for what JB? A prove that Somalis are not culturally equipped?

the function of the minaret has ceased to exist since the invention of Speakers. It did cease indeed, but what irritates most here seems to be the symbolic state of the 'minarates'. A 'minarate' in a non-arab or foreign land used to symbolize conquered, captureed land. The rest is just letting Islam take its proper shape. No churches or Tamples in SAUDI ARABIA i heard , sad that the Swiss-Muslims are FORCED to use the Speakers.

^The permise that Somalia would not be culturally equipped in comparision to other African/Arab states is neither true nor freindly, its but a non-creditable hostile huff, i.e the hint in itself is an insult to our(my) ethnicity, namely ( Somaliness ).

No, he is playing on your emotions regarding your hatred towards other fellow Somalis. You enjoy his under current jab towards the nation revival attempt of our TFG, no? Let me for a second jug your memory and remind you that he is fine with how the Somalis in k5 treated , even happier with the Somaliland's dismemberment stand-off and Puntland's latest hand-over of Somalis to his country, not to mention puntland's disrespect to the federal constitution and institutions. If you're ready to paint a UN agency as the ONLY real Enemey of Somalia at this age and time, he did succeed in his attempt of owning a 'garaad' mind , and sadly a one from 'bari' at that.

Hi Lily , Lest Ibti&co survive on few cakes as their daily nutrition ( which is per se idio'tic ) , eating cakes as often as displyed here + being a Somali female is ( should be ) a bad combination in every health-book. That they're actually not plumps despite the cake-culture is beside the point.

Tja nuune , Jag menar, 'barur' är BARA ok om det hänger i någon tjej's rumpa,annars äckligt. Finns det någonstans där Fet('barur')sitter bättre? det tror inte jag.

^bla ... i hate 'barur' unless it hangs on the back of a beautiful woman. juxa.. seriously , sweets ( xalwo 'sugar+ butter') etc etc, and now all you girls talk about is cakes , cakes of all types, as if having one gives you heaven knows what . IBTI, You're miss Cakes.. you should be kept away from the girls wlahida. The only adventerous and not-so-in fats seems to be Sheh.. ( don't know where i get that from ) .