Norf, What pseudo circular arguments? Just answer the question, if you can. Which Religion(s) beside yours are worth your "respect".?

Chocko, That you respect your Religion went not mentioned, and for a good reason. But,why do you "disrespect" Scientology ? JB, I do respect creeps , i resprct YOU. Karl, What/Who is Milatu Ibrahim? A Religion you deeply respect or barely tolerate ?

Respect my Religion. Not that I’ve one, but I’d like to shed some lights on “Religious Respect” and the wide spectrum it covers . Theists, more than often accuse Agnostics/Atheists as well as other theists of different Religions, not showing enough “respect” towards their particular Religion. Taking a deep look into what is demand of one, one realizes that it’s not the kind of natural respect , like to be left alone in one’s Belief, or one’s right to believe be honored. The Abrahamic theology leaves much to be desired regarding “Respect” towards other Religions , not only does it consider itself the supreme but equally shows (if not more) disrespect,and enough hatred (dislike if you must) through it’s condescending cordiality. The dilemma here is , “Respect” is not a simple concept, It’s not a matter of Yes and No , it concerns itself with matters like attitudes and personal experience. People’s attitude towards your Religion may vary from respecting it atleast in the minimal sense of tolerating it, to regarding it totaly as not being worthy of their “respect”. Given that the Religious sense of entitlement to “respect” and making a demand on that behalf is equal opportunity business. Which Religion(s) do you tolerate, which religion do you Respect, and which religion(s) does not qualify for your “Respect”.?

Originally posted by dambarsame: Is this blind person called its self rudy (whom I don't know whether it is he or she) mad? :newbie:

True, that AT&T would of per automatic be among the family members who'd want me to be on the Muslim side of the "dead" ( qabuuraha in dhanka Muslimiinta la'iiga duugo ),not becouse he cares about what a self-promoting Imam would say, but becouse incase there is a war between the dead muslims and the dead christians or jews, i must find myself on the "tolka" side, which happens to be the Muslim side, and under no circumstance would i let Richard Corfield take revenge on Sayidka, be he(Richard), an Atheist or mother Goose beleiver. True too that, "Faqi tolkii...", so Nuune too would show upp on my funeral and read his somewhat wet "fataha" on my dead body despite him knowing my stance regading what was claimed to be a universal truth in 7th century's Arabia. The good thing about my blood and "toll" is we adore justice in all it's forms & shapes, so to keep an eye on God's justice, Me, Caano geel and few others will report to the "toll" how Justice is being served in hell, as my brethen in paradise will be busy drinking and doing "hooris". As for the topic, i think the Imam did make a good point, if the deceased did really not beleive in Islam, his personal wishs should be respected. After all Faith is a personal matter.

The White house doesen't only KILL , the White house is Canibal , it eats people , so what? This nutcase of Sheikh kills too, sad that it's the white house that is the friendlier monster.

Khashafa, Abti, Both your Al-shabab & Ethiopia share one common goal, namely to destroy the Somali flag.

There are many scapegoats for our Barbarism, the most popular one being Providence.

"There is one team in Champions League that can keep up with the Barca pace, and it's not Inter". ©Johnny B

Originally posted by Abtigiis & Tusbax: They were spoilers in two fronts. One, in painting the legitimate struggle as an extension of islamic irredentism and one in confusing the Arabs who would have supported ONLF with finances. spot on !! They were nothing but older Khashafas.

Originally posted by Nur: Good to hear from you after a long while brother Awakener, I think Somalia needs cool headed people like you. Bro. If there is a conflict situation in which either life is lost, or faith will be lost, which one is more important in Allah's view: 1. Preservation of Life 2. Preservation of Faith Nur Sheikh Nur, The assumption that the Republic of Somalia is in a situation where either life must be lost or Faith will (must) be lost, is strange to Reality. Ideally , every Somali would of per default be(is) granted the right to have Faith in whatever that rocks his boat, as Somalia just like any nation, neither own nor have monopoly on the Islamic Faith and it's various versions(sects if you like),Neither does Somalia and Somalis need to either die or be new born Muslims, nor would the view of an Allah neccessarily be(is) Death for Somalis or Faith in me. It may so be how Somalia's new theopoliticians would like us to see the situation in Somalia today. As for the choice of preservations listed, one'd say there is only one choice, namely 1. Preservation of Life, as Faith is a personal buisiness.

We ( Muslims ) vs The rest of the world ( Liberal Democracies ) ? If you don't take an irrational position and show enough hatred towards the rest of the world(non-moslims), you're not serving Islam? Stuff and nonsense®

^And whether or not the quest for contact with the "true" God happens for selfish or selfless reasons remains to be seen.

Why is maadeey acting as if Shabab lost it? ( , shabab has lost it. Sharif this , sharif that , Sharif Today , Sharif Yesterday / tomorrow .. bla bla .. That Videos can be edited is not very intresting , it's not intresting at all.

^They had a common Enemy , but never were on the same side, lest one looks it from the perpective of those who're hijacking the nation through Islamic terror. Same thing goes for Ethiopia and the TFG. That Ethiopia have its ulterior motives regarding Somalia should never be something we react to and judge each other on, since it's constantly always there, neither should we accuse often those of us who happen to become Ehthiopia's favored enemy, given that we all are it's enemy. Ethiopia's favored Somali entity is the Hargeisa entity and long as I'm concerned it's meaningless accusing Hargeisa of less patriotism on that ground alone.

^I think he is doing good by seeking a 'fatwa'. He has blood-thirsty killers, who declared him & his Government and every Somali who doesen't agree with their policies, Non-Moslims. Now' he's entitled to fight back and Islamically.

^Some craziness are better rewarded in this world. Kill,rob,lure and decieve people by whatever you want, just grap an ABU-name, kill more and you're somebody's spritual leader.

Originally posted by Che -Guevara: ^That makes sense.Raamsade is the Mullah Omar of the atheist movement-with Charles Darwin's On the Origin of Species in one hand and megaphone in the other, he would have converted (reasoned to death) Melbourne in days' time. Of course, insanity would follow. Women can't wear skirts below the knees and cleavage is must, men can't grow beards. churches/mosques will be converted to nightclubs and strip clubs, and evolution (the New Testament) will be taught in every class Cara..It all starts with rhetoric.Dawkins just lacks the muscle It was fun to the point where Insanity followed. One old and tired but hidden Theistic argument toke over, namely, churches/mosques will be converted to nightclubs and strip clubs, and evolution (the New Testament) will be taught in every class " This surfacing argument is rooted in the psycology of indoctrinated minds, where clubbing ( happy & loose ) is painted Atheistic wheras Church/Mosque ( sad & restraint ) is painted Theistic. Maybe a better universal Religion with a better Morality is in the making .

Riyaale's speech in "berta xoriyada?" regarding the Somaliland journey was an excellent inoculation against being persuaded to accept "Somali-nimo" ideas and conclusions based on such flimsy and deceitful PR-Videos JB, Let's hope "Godane" esclates his actions , making use of those barbaric southreners, Juje& his Sharif are nothing but Somalialnd haters. Maaddeey, Copyright© violation is¬considered a form of Terror.

^I actually stated a question regarding what i would like to discuss, namely, Why doubting, skepticism, questioning and critically thinking are the Enemy of Theism?. It saddens me deeply that you've to take to the fallacy of numbers, ( pssssssssssyt,,We have the best selling Religion [fill in with your fav Religion name] in the world, you should try it too. Listen....so many people have converted to [fill in with your fav Religion] , there must be something in it. Facts...the adherents of [fill in your fav Religion name] outnumber the adherents of [fill in your least fav religion name],so [fill in your fav Religion name ] is factual. Children are not religious, nor is the correct Religion neccessarily the one whose adherents or their children outnumber the others, but if it soothes your pain or gives you some sort of kick, Islam surpassed both Catholism and Budhism combined together.

^And Xiin is right in the sense that they both are Anti the Republic of Somalia, in all forms and shapes. One is a secessionist while the other is a Successionist.

Originally posted by Castro: Sharif the Neo Con. Indeed a neo Con from that perpective... The fact that there is no alternative may be ( is ) good enough reason to support him at this juncture.

Tuujie, I will definitely not survive running into this: nga daa dee habarka,nacala scarpehaga ku taale. Through one’s skepticism a belief/religion was revealed. It has come around full circle, as foretold. Very intresting revelation, and kudos for having come around and in full circle. It's just that revelations, cheap or valueable as they may be, are awash in every culture,and if facts, Truths and realities are what is claimed to have been revealed, it then would follow or so i believe, that there would never be a problem validating/verifying what is claimed to have been revealed against the one and only Reality we have, which is sadly almost never the case. Lest one is of the idea that just because something is claimed to have been revealed, therefore per automatic skip examination, validation and verification against the only reality we have, one'd be hardly pressed to conduct a normal,natural and reality-ridden lifeview. On the contrary, what is claimed to have been revealed was and is being aggressively marketed, and if needs be enforced through intimidations, indoctrinations and what have you, which would never be the case given that what is claimed to have been revealed was/is naturally in sync with the reality in a harmonious manner.

Originally posted by Hassan_B: Answering my question with a question. Why don't you pray sincerely to God whether you believe in Him or not and ask Him to show you the way? You have nothing to lose. One has to understand that Iman is a gift. May we all receive and continue to receive this gift from Allah! Amin Your question? I must have missed it somehow ,(am getting old) let me reread what you wrote: Originally posted by Hassan_B: Dear Johny, You must first decide if faith in a Creator is something you desire. If so then the only way is to inquire those who have it how to get it, if not, then please mind your own business and cease this. That is unless you've decided to wage war against those who believe. In which case you're an enemy to all those who believe regardless of how they came to that believe. Other then that, I wish all the best for you. I still can't find your question, can you?! Xiin, No , Yes, sat-sunday Quran-school, that is where i went to, and my Islamic rendred Somali culture is of acceptable level. having poets and Ugaas family blood, among other things. Naden, Never heard about the Manchurian whispers,nor am i here to take all your childhood traumas away,as you're still in love with some aspects of those Traumas. ..... all I could ask for is to just have a daring look on this scary figure that is used to traumatize your little heads. Despite the risk of one comming out as a Man who is unproportionally content in his Worldview who out of pure (but un-called for, if you like) simpathy, would like to sahre that view,I find it not to be a far fetched likelihood, if one found my view to be clossally wrong , but demanding a reflection per se, should never ideally be a Threat. Freely conducting the life of a traumatized kid, as an adult, must be like freely hobbling one's horse during the long journey of life,based on saftey reasons, despite the distance.

^^^Maybe , but i thought i had a phony smile on my face last time i typed.