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-Serenity-;755574 wrote: Knight of Wisdom - they might withdraw their support and aid if you marry one of their women. Dont ruin it for Somalia. I'm going to visit Turkey in 2012 InshaAllah... my holiday pennies need to go somewhere worthwhile like Turkiya. Beleive you me , you won't be disappointed. places like Ankra, Adana, Istanbul are such attractions , you'll sure want to have your pie of that / and moderen Constantinabuls. .

Thank you Arkadash.

Alderman;755400 wrote: Islam is not a strict religion unless you are trying to leave :p Now, what was the punishment for leaving ISLAM again? skip that.

^^ Exactlt my initial sentiment, and there you nailed it ,as being lost has always meant finding yourself somewhere, so it can only be a win-win situation . So now , it's safe to say that we both have recomended the Therapists?!

GaroweGal;754879 wrote: It seems you arguing for the sake of it. You have not spoken to the man, you are not acquainted with the man and you are so quick to pass judgment because of some innuendo. Nevertheless, as Muslims we are instructed not to think the worst of a Muslim unless we have spoken to them directly and found out the situation at first hand. Dearest these are basic Islamic principles. Oh, It also seems you lack basic Islamic knowledge. Where have you been taught that Muslims are Not nations?? For you information 'the Muslim Ummah' simply means the Muslim nation, we are a nation. This is the problem nowadays with some of us, we attend a few halaqs and wear a niqab and all of sudden we can speak for Islam and bad mouth those that have more Knowledge than us. What a shame! Ibti had this comming ?! everybody DUCK!

^^ so true again , and i do everything but underestimate the power of Faith, oh no , i if anybody should be aware of the intensity of that power. , It's just that i'm inflicted with this urge of helping a sister overwhelmed by the powers of Faith even if it's means loosing few therapists. .

^^ so true , but staying with the case in point, there are far too many 'habaryars', 'eedoes' and 'ayeyoes' left to their destiny with the golden recomendation of more reading of the holy scriptures , while simple therapy sessions might have pulled off the strung pin.

^ So you want me to be the one who recomends the girl to see a therapist? Well, atleast that might be more helpfull than the recomendation of reading more scriptures whose volotile meanings are/maybe the source of her problems to boot .

Xaaji Xunjuf;754138 wrote: I agree with Che Guevara the Somalis who believe Foreign intervention is the solution to all their problems either they are lying to them selves or are just being short sighted unable to think beyond their Clanish objectives. ...... Not to be rude, but some of us regard the "Somaliland" project is calling for foreign intervention to the affairs of Somalia, and is a project accuseable of being driven by a Clanish objectives.

As much as i share the sentiment of disliking foreigners calling the shots in our Somalia, i am tied by the hinders of sound reasons to agree with You , senior Che´ , that is . Your argument could only be correct and valid given that Somalia was an isolated island whose policies never effected it's neighours and the terror group that you used to support was pure Somalis who had the intrest of Somalia at heart , but we both know that , that is but the case. As it stands today , one might argue to the bones ( and i and sheihk Sharif agree with you ) that Azania and Kenya's intrest are questionable endevours that raise any Somali with healthy mind's eye-borroows , but comparing AMISOM whose mandate we know to Kenya's incursion and the terror group's foriegn fighters gave it away. The status quo on the other hand is only in the intrest of theose who see a prolonged Somali problem to be their benefit, case in point Somaliland, AL_SHABAB and in the long run the neighbouring countries , namely Kenya and Ethiopia. Lastly this incursion will as it's precedent be followed by a save-face bullout, and for Somalis either to embaress its consequences or root for another and deeper sinking in it's ruins.

GoldCoast;752127 wrote: If you are under impression AMISOM was successful, you must have taken into account that it was an occupying force not an incursion. No i must have not, why would i? AMISOM is in Somalia through a mandate, AMISOM is not occupying Somalia, lest you've bought the AL-QAIDA version that goes Infidels are occupying Muslim Somalis, hence it's AL-QAIDA's duty to liberate Somalia. GoldCoast;752127 wrote: How do you see a temporary incursion being successful in anyway other than giving AS legitimacy? Good question, this is a good quesion given that it was asked under cincere circumstances. Well, Every incursion has both short term and long term aims. here word from the grapevine has it so Kenya will at worst retake control over it's northren disctricts( specially the costal districts at the border with Somalia) those became AL-QAIDA/ AL-SHABAB hub as of late because of the social dynamics of those districts, and Kenya will hopefully tilt the volotile military situation in southren Somalia to the favor of Somalia's TFG , the majority of the Somali people and the international community. So yes, this incursion is already showing to be more successfull than expected, and to the disappointment of those who support the terrorits, it is not strengthning AL-SHABAB on the contrary , AL-SHABAB took severe military and political blows as their days became less numbered since the incursion got underway.

Dabrow;752055 wrote: Dont put your filthy fingers on me. You dont know who or what i Stand for. And try read my posts. I dont like alshabab politics goals or aims in Somalia. But I will support their fight against the invaders. No one knows what this occupation will bring to Somalia. My lojality is not within whats best for Kenya economy or tourists. Its whats happening to Somalia. How many times has somalia now been invaded? If this was the solution things would be different today. But its not, Somalia is in very bad position with various of people with different agendas and different founders . One is naive if something good will come out of occupation. It would only streghten alshabab and prolong somali conflict and the "forever war" Du är bara för korkad för att inse det. While my fingers have better things to do, let me keep telling you why you like AL-SHABAB/AL-QAIDA and why your futile attempt of denying it won't pull off. Since i am addressing your stance i won't be able to cede legitimacy to your attempt of personalizing the subject matter. You're here with the old and tired meek point of Somalis being killed by Somalis is a better situation than Somalis being killed by foriegners, and the worse version of it at that, consequently cloaking a blind support for AL_SHABAB / AL-QAIDA as a patriotic sentiment. As long as you can't realize the fact that AL-QAIDA has already invaded Somalia, your to be patriotic vision remains blurred while your injured support for the terror group keeps surfacing , and i'll be left with lethal urge of showing it.

Lest one deeply harbours a blind support for the terror group of AL-SHABA / AL-QAIDA , we all know that neither Kenya nor Ethiopia are in political/social/ economical position to INVADE Somalia. This incursion aims to weaken the already weakened terror group and thanks to this incursion the days of al-qaida terrorists in south Somalia will be shorter.than otherwise. There is a difference between an incursion and an invation.

Dabrow;752000 wrote: In my valid opinion all invaders must be treated alike. Its not like this will not affect somali civilians because it will. I dont usually support alshabab and their politics but I support them against kenyan invaders This is the kind of mindset that one 'd use as a rationally acceptable excuse to let any country actually invade Somalia, which i snot the case in here. As you seem to have been left behind regarding Somalia and who invaded it, let us wake you upp ... It's al-qaida that has invaded Somalia ...and its being liberated with the help of the otherwise enemy of Somalia , it is a sad situation ,Worse that you and all terror supporters nevert realize that fact, so one'd safely assume that Somalia is better off without your VALID oponions. I am not that convinced that you with such mentality do not support the terror group , but then i woulden't want to support a TFG with supporters of you clibre. This is as AT&T put it , we've to make a stand , and as sad as it may seem, AL-SHABAB/ AL-QAIDA are the enemy of the republic of Somalia while Kenya the natural archenemy of Somalia is the friend in here.

Abwaan;743288 wrote: Markii si loo fiiriyo waad saxan tahay, annagaana is dhignay meesha ee cid kale lama eedayo. Well said Abwaan, but don't you get misled by the cheap and convulted patriotism of Che and his terror group, the argument of Somalia being run by Mahiga and whatever foriegn power have you, would only be valid if and only if the terror group of Al-shabab had the Somali intrest at heart instead of introducing a black flag while burning the Republic's flag.

^And well done to your Carvan xiinow. your moderate Sheikh has (with the help of the world and peace-loving somalis) delivered. Kudos to you and you sane vision for the Republic, i wish i could say the same about Che and his terror group, oh well its a reconciliation time so we have no choice but reach them and NGONGE's Somalialand not Xaaji xanjuuf 's , mind you. You and your carvan were right on the money.

genius pauper.;738391 wrote: the gentleman/women complaining about copy paste, should realize that, this thread started with such a pattern. I mean copy paste. Where does the creativity you are talking about come in?? So you're doing just like we're doing here , copy/pasting right?!. This is terrebile state to be in for someone who despite his burning desire to debate( or have a say in) the subject matter, all s/he seems to be equipped with is copy/pasting the flawed works of others, and justifying it by claiming to just have done what others are doing. Worse, it's crystal clear for anyone with a decent mind that i neither claimed nor insinuated to be the writer of the article, despite not giving the source of the article, i underlined (twice) the contents of the article, hence, the seperation of my question regarding what to make out of the article,and weather it was a cognitive dissonance or just a Human nature to take the positions taken by the Doctors and medical students in the survey, so there is no excuse for anyone with a decent mind ( even for a seething theist like yourself) to equivocate on that. Now, let us for arguendo say i am guilty of palagrism by not regiving the source of the article, is then copy/pasting the lfawed works of others all one could contribute to the subject matter, namely Islam and it's emerging complex response to the Evolutionary theroy? genius pauper.;738391 wrote: Jb, apart from what u copy pasted, any other stuff? Just waving a petty flag of denial and baseless blames. To be extremely honest with you, the level of knowledge,decency,intellectual integrity and sophistication shown thus far are with all due respect appalling, to grant you a platform to be worthy opponent with integrity in this very subject matter is with such record a generousity rexamined , but hope is the last thing we'd lose so squeeze more of that brain, who knows maybe , just maybe you may have the stars lining on your behalf and you start making sense. genius pauper.;738391 wrote: P.s. The brain that accepts inspirron14 as a laptop made by dell and concludes that the universe has not been made, never fails to be the hub for irrationality and to say it precisely, logical disability. please clarify how laptops get inspired, and while on it, account for how the Universe was made, ofcourse without being that hub of irrationality .

Coofle;738149 wrote: I guess there should be a rule against Copy and Paste....It kills debate and creativity.......Read what ur fellow nomads think, it is a rare commodity those days... Very true indeed, one'd think that mr Pauper has decided to bomb this thread down with the rubbish of Harun yahya and likes, but that would be a mistake and it dosen't grant him a platform,so let us keep on with the normal engagement of the subject matter. wonder what the given Mr, would say if one had bombed Islamic threads or any other thread with 4 or 5 topics of irrelevant subjects whenever one posts.

burahadeer;737409 wrote: beautiful when we had tail,jump couple 100 meters from tree to tree. Sexy on halimos you could grab from way... Ahhhh, those were the days . Nevertheless, what is emerging from this thread (except Mr Pauer's futile attempts of deriding it, ofcourse) is exactly the point of the Article. We've people like Coofle aknowleding some parts of Evolution , we've people like Nina Fox who hold to Adam & eve , So we can safely assume that both are Muslims who just differ on the Evolution issue. For Muslims like Nina, it is an Issue of either you accept Evolution and Science or you believe in God . For Muslims like Coofle, That is an unnecessary and rejectable dichthomy,and it is safe to both accept Evolution and believe in God. We'd appreciate if both camps brought thier evidences.

genius pauper.;737185 wrote: surely jb, have you done different? you have just copy pasted the argument yourself from the work of others. in fact, you did plagiarism. if you really saw any flaw, you will have posted it. Oh please, not again.

burahadeer;737111 wrote: you could still be a shabab leader...no intellect required....Mr. Pauper. People like Mr. Pauper apparently can only copy from others, unable to construct their own arguments, hence, his irrelevant four-parts-topic of why one would believe. Perhaps if he had to sit down and work through the subject matter , he might begin to see some of the flaws and perhaps the total irrelevancy in the arguments he uses. But by simply copying and pasting the flawed work of others, he avoids all the hard thinking and reasoning that might cause him to question the basis of his assumptions.

^ Whatever they worship, it is deplorable act.

genius pauper.;735670 wrote: @jb, do u knw which of the two sites owns the original article??? That you ask this question per se says more about your eventual knowledge regarding the original source of the article, but that doesen't sadden me as much as your inability to pen few coherent lines of thought does. genius pauper.;735670 wrote: p.s. i really think, jb and vol =the same person Oh please, You're already displaying the embers of an embryonic intellect. Voltaire;735567 wrote: Well, I think we should view these particularly weird responses under the light of social and authoritarian pressures. If someone had said to me that she/he accepts evolution scientifically and denies it religiously or something along those lines, I would take it to presumably mean that there are social and authoritarian pressures in place to force one in keeping this acceptance under the radar, as if it were. True that there is the inevitable social pressure on the individual, which is a good reason to host contradicting facts, but childhood religious indoctrination and the whole culture of preparation for artificial cohering of reality and faith (even embaracing cognitive dissonance if needs be), seem to be among other things of necessity as to what these doctors must be armoured with, hence their unique ability to selectively believe (choose) facts , because their responses are as you said weird.

G P , you're wrong , that is not my source. Here is my source http://www.scidev.net/en/news/complex-islamic-response-to-evolution-emerges-from-study-1.html Nuune, sxbow sujuidan waa i washay, nowadays , she even gives the post-women that look, she won't let me go to Rinkby. lakin, waan ka caqli badanahay, waxan ku dhahay, hoyo orod so salaan ,mudaad ka maqneed, and she was like "walaahi. So now in Augusti, i'll be free again, tolow , intey maqantay ma iibiyaa guriga?! Voltaire, so true , its kind of hard to make out something of that article, yet it reflects on the Muslim world eduacted's views towards Evolution, i wish i'd the same delight encountring a Sheikh who can understand and counter the evolution theory. For me it's the other way around , i'm puzzled by the rational stand of those secularly eduacted Muslim Doctors, hence my question at the bottom of the article , isen't it a cognitive dissoannace to believe in one thing and deny it on the next breath? More intresting, Can a Muslim stay Muslim and believe in the Science of Evolution?