All of a sudden the terror supporters among us are more patriotic than the rest. I and many others are guilty of rejoicing the terrorist screams.

Che -Guevara;769221 wrote: Yesterday's mujahids, today's collaborators...what hypocrite Sharif is worse than Yeey in many ways. Worst of all is the Somali whose vision for Somalia's future is only supporting terror. ,

Go shibis Go. Shibis is the birth place of many Somali national sports Icons and Johnny B

"someone" that doesen't exist, is contradiction in terms. And there is little or no room for intentional equivocation regarding the 72 virgin reward. It then follows or so one'd believe that the humour of rewarding Men with what they assumedly like best, after having given up their lives in this world, namely Women, and virgin ones at that, is to say the least a saddistic masculine humour. Hence God if exists is most probably masculine in gender, as i could not in my wildest dreams, imagine a female god rewarding women with 72 incendiary Men.

This is 21st century Somalia.

Cheese and Chalk, Mr Xanjuf I think NGONGE has better and more mora of rebutals to the given article of Mr Yabarag than this poor Diriye.

Nice seeing our Premier doing some shopping at home!. Her highness , his better one is doing great Job at home.

Al-shabab on steroids. Soon enough, an Al-shabab pilot, flying a French mirage will be dropping his bombs on Nairobi.

Both the secessionists and the terrorists feel the heat , as Somalia is about to stand up with the help of IGAD/AU and the international community, and retake it's honourable posiion as a Nation. A is bad/good or Worse/better than B or vice versa applies only to where both A and B matter and are both bigger than NULL. A common goal that both the secessionists and the Al-shabab terrorists share is keeping Somalia hijacked by blostering the chaotic status quo . So i don't raise an eye-borrow when i see a secessionist who is busy comparing Apples and Oranges, not to find out which is sweeter but which is more/most rotten.

Alpha Blondy;759410 wrote: jb, this anti-god stance is getting a little pathetic...now! your stances remind of me of someone learning only side of the argument and then regurgitating it....time and again. do you think anyone cares that your an atheist and a god-basher. live and let live sxbka. your not different from the extremist islamist yet you think that through 'rational inquiry' and other buzzwords of the 'progressively minded' your on to something unique. i suppose this niche is carved by the fact your somali and an ex-muslim. your pseudo-science theories are full of nonsense and no cares. ^Wow, now that was much of a caring, given that all i do is regurgitate one side of an un-intresting argument. I wish i could be bothered by your SOL contributions and with such intensity, as that would atleast grant you a platform of civility to have won my attention, sadly , that is not the case. That i don't personalize issues dispite many invitations doesn't mean i can degrade to that level, it's just that i happen to find it a less desireable inter-labial intercourse .

sharma-arke451;759175 wrote: Jb, let as be simple and objective in our doings. in arabic there's what we call ''fiqhul xiwaar'' jurisprudence of conversation. You asked ''a situation that supernatural explanation were the only and more plausable explanations after exhausted all the natural explations'' I answered by the different languages spoken,,,, this automatically relates to your question and it comes up with the meaning that ''the only explanation to different languages is supernatural and hence no natural explanation '' From here, if you know the pillars of arguement, you have two ways to go: 1) you will either refute what i said, which is ''there are no natural explanations to different languages'' 2) or you will accept my answer that ''different languages has only supernatural explanations'' this arguement is inorder of priority, hence no shortcuts. Do you refute or you accept? Note: you cannot accept the latter before accepting the former. simplicity is the way, if honesty is the purpose.. ^*** sigh ***, So after two pages and two days, you're here telling me that your answer automates the relationship between my question and your answer because in Arabic you've what you call ''fiqhul xiwaar", which lubricates such automation. ? Oy vey ! being redundant is not my forte, and this arabic thing is intresting to say the least, but here is what i said to you after your inference that supernatural explanation is the only or more plausible answer than the natural ones regarding why Human beings speak different langauages. Johnny B;758888 wrote: Sharma, could you please be more specific regarding how different laguages relate to supernatural explanations being the only or more plausible explanations than the natural ones. Quoting my freind Dr Alban, i say: no hash hash , no Vitamin. *Ibtisam;759150 wrote: JB you are right, it should be bigger than you, laakin your religious thread always come across as a old teacher asking his "dump" students to answer a riddle- he, while sitting at the front of the class with a ruler (you probably have a bat) then mocks their different explanations as stands their with the supposed ultimate answer, waiting for some to give him THAT and only THAT answer. Therefore it is not a debate- Ouuuuuuuch !!

^Nuune, Thanks bro , Of course , i'll let you know when i am ready to take that step, but you've to bring AT&T( fiqi tolkii kama janna tago) , without him, it'd feel like being a Liverpool fan. This Sujui and NGONGE has done the great job of " iska eeg" trick on me , but i've a way to go. haa sxb , i'm back, but not from there, i've been to g-harrey instead.

Somalina is not nominated, because she is pro government/ pro peace. The nomination was held at the Al-shabab headquarters.

N.O.R.F;758909 wrote: ^Asking such a question now (as well as all your previous ones) demonstrates you took the leap without seeking answers but continue to ask these questions to satisfy yourself you made the right decision. I would say otherwise if I thought you were geniungly seeking answers (your track record is in the archives). Enought about me, let us talk about ME . N.O.R.F;758909 wrote: As for the question, the same way you believe you have used your intellect to conclude there is no god, many others have concluded that there is a god. Swings and roundabouts as it were. Cheese and chalk Mr Norf. The question is not about whether religious people use their intellect to conclude that there is a god or i or atheists use our intellect to conclude the contrary, the question is whether there are situation(s) in life where accepting a supernatural explanation is the only or the most plausible explanation having exhausted all possible natural explanations?. And i'm counting on your contribution regarding that question.

sharma-arke451;758930 wrote: at least you are saying, there are natural explanations, please do share those explanations Sharma, I asked if there was a situation where supernatural explanations were the only or the more plausible explanations after having exhausted all the possible natural explanations, you asked me to think of why Human beings speak different languages , i asked you how you relate the difference in languages to supernatural explanations being the only or the more plausible explanations, now you ask me to share the natural explanations of why Human beings speak different languages. what is going on?! do i have to remind you that why Human beings speak different languages IS NOT the subject matter of this thread, it is your answer to the question of this thread , hence, it is your duty to relate it to the subject matter , if you can't or won't for whatever reason, it is not that regretable, but i've no intention whatissoever to state the obvious, namely, that there are natural explanations as to why Human beings speak different languages, just to reinitiate another circular reasoning in your mind.

N.O.R.F;758809 wrote: Heh. Making a decision on a something with little knowledge of the subject is one thing but its quite another trying to justify it based on the same little knowledge and even worse if one continues to do it for years. Exactly my sentiment regarding many religious people's attempts of defending the foundtions of their Faith. N.O.R.F;758809 wrote: Having said that, its quite clear JB isn't as lost as he likes us to believe. A few pointers in the right direction might should about do it. But is he willing to look at things without the nonsense he has built up over the years? Its only expected athiets beat those drums regularly as they're not entirely convinced themselves. They're merely reassuring themselves they're right. Now, don't you think that Ibti, Che and Arch had already great spaculations regarding my presumed intentions and what have you?! When will you start addressing the question i am raising here? AYOUB, Your video of "al-rahman" is fascinating, but only for a person who is already a believer in the tenets of that Faith. . As for suggesting where to turn for answers to my question, i would prefer if you could share with me your own view regardng my questions. I rather get it from people like you who are convinced that they're living the kind of life a Deity sponsors.

sharma-arke451;758781 wrote: jb, i am asking what is your reasoning for it? Do you have a different explanation, ileen aniga meshaas ilama dhafsiisano. Bal ninyahow think over it again, and lets see what you come up with. Sharma, You're not communicating, You're asking me what is my reasoning in a question i have yet to address, and on the same breath you're asking me if i have a different explanation. could you please be more specific regarding how different laguages relate to supernatural explanations being the only or more plausible explanations than the natural ones.

^ i concur, Man and crying are contradiction in terms.

sharma-arke451;758588 wrote: Jb, you didn't got me right. There are many languages spoken across the globe, right?? What is the reason you can give for it?? I don't know if i am quite following your thought-process, but if what you're saying is, because Human beings speak different languages only a supernatural explanation is the most plausible as to why, then i need you to walk me through the labyrinths of your reasoning. NGONGE;758589 wrote: I'm found slightly to the right of A&T but to the left of almost everyone else. So AT&T is a troubled Soul , but not lost , He is the kind of a character that believes in "akhiro" a Man who doesen't own Camels won't be attaractive to the Houris.and that you stand slightly at his right depends more on you positioning me in front of you instead of behind you Che' Ibti, and Arm ... there is more to the thread than my persona.

Sharmarke, Do you mean, "Ilaah" translated to God is doing injustice to the Arabic langauage?

^Ngonge, I'm hardly done with myself to begin, and i can but appologize for coming off as another ENuri. Heeeeeeeey, according to the late apologetics, you were already a lost liberal soul.

^ So Mr Jacaylbaro , How does not knowing what is happening tomorrow or not knowing when I'm going to die, or/and my inability to explain what the "روح" is relate to the God concept ? Would i be off the mark if i assumed that your concept of God seems to be the God of the gaps.?! Incase you've missed the point , what i'm asking for is a situation where a supernatural explanation (God, Ghost, etc etc ) is the only or the more plausible explanation after having exhausted all possible natural explanations. /ps, "روح" = Soul ?

The Concept of God (in the abrahamic Religions) is introduced to almost every child , as children lack own informed oponion about most of the realities of the universe, it is easier to swollow the concept as is,just as they do with all the other incomprehensible concepts, like ghosts, fairies etc etc. As we grow up and collect our own experience of the realities of the universe, the God concept becomes blurry,fuzzie,hazier,problematic, source of cognitive dissonance, but almost never fades away as many other incomprehensible concepts ( ghosts, fairies etc ) do. The God concept stays with us for a reason or another, for most of us, it fills the gap of all the yet-to-be-known-explanations-of-the-universe, for some the concept becomes a placebo for the Human insecurities that results of the human inability to master the whole of the Universe, for some the concept becomes a private part of their realities of the Universe, that is readily offered as the only plausible explanation to all the causes they seem to lack a directly comprehensible natural explanation for. Can you as a religious person think of any situation where supernatural explanation is the only or the most plausible answer, after having exhaused all other possible natural causes?

Selective quoting at its best. Normally, I don't understand much, but mr samatar is not saying "there is no Somalia anymore" though some would like that to be the case, from what i gather and that is not much, he happens to say that he believes in united Somalia, and his Somalia is but wholly united at the moment..

I see no point in everybody wanting to go only to the paradise of 'ilaahey', since i diden't leave Islam i don't risk getting killed by the 'muminoon' , so i volunteer for God's hell, just to help him keep the quota, you on the other hand need to stay in that fold ( or atleast claim to be in it) to stay alive to boot.