Somalis and talking ... I say that with a straight face since we Somalis love talking and I am "ina Warsame". The good thing is Atheer Hassan will talk with Atheer Ahmed or Culusow will talk Silanyo ( if you dislike them and their clans ), the bad thing and the only one in fact is it has to be done in another (though friendly ) country, and that is the logical reason to accept that we've a political difference to solve in here. Now, though we seem to differ on the art of our differences (politically that is ), yet we're all aware of the possibilities ahead to solve them , you may wonder how do we know? , and the answer is simple, you as a separatist have tried all other options and so did I as a unionist. At this stage had we arrived at the Somali mind-set of " hadda iyo dan" , and it is this very mind-set that disturbs the Somali psyche, as it connotes a slight hint of defeat ( refer to the Guru's Axiomatic " defeated lot" or Xiin's "looters inc" or Baashe's "Queen's orphans ") or disappointment in an endeavour. Our brothers from the North seem to think they'd a referendum , and an open election , so a "Koofurian" can not question the will of their people but In my humble opinion the kids of "Dhoobley" has as much as the ones of "Hargeisa" ,to say about any eventual dismemberment of their country, namely Somalia, Having said that and I know this sounds crazy, Somalia should try dismembering the country into whatever clan- Fiefdoms,in case , just in case we've a shot on African Taiwan. Lastly i'd like to say this ,There is nothing clannish about Somaliland but every Somali is clannish, if this doesn't make sense in your world, you belong to the winners because there are talks between us, but if it does make sense in your world, you belong to the losers because you don't know what the talks are about, and we'll fall into either of the categories.

^^ Or maybe it is much better for you and Somalia to accept that past and experiences dictate that PM Shirdoon's governement is right and hockus pockus Jubaland focus is based on 90s civil war defeated lot mentality. ** just felt jabbing you ... ska waran awowe?

How big are the chanses that bro Cambuulo is of the minority clans ? just a prospect !

^^ you almost did, but no risk of that now , Johnny had more than his share of skin-head vs black-head (svartkalle) fights, and if that and peace-sign tatoo doesn't leave one with a babylon aware mentality, i don't know what will do ,

I and Atheer Hassan , the president of the Federal Republic of Somalia are not against Jubaland formation, it is your wishfull thinking . All we want is to follow the Constitution, namely the formations of all the uppcoming states will be under the responsibility of the federal government. Unlike you i don't want BayState or BuurState formed right now by a Militia because it is Tolka, All we ( me and Atheer Hassan ) are asking is let us play by the rules, but that is like being against the formation in itself according to your rationale .

As i very much like to see Jubaland state emerge and prosper in an initiative led by none other than Madobe and Tolka, i can not ceed legitimacy to this farce and i demand from my PM to disarm Madobe & co.

Indeed it will not , but help me understand few things , why are Madobe & tolka are taking this political risk , why are they in a harry to have this State of diverse Somali clans upp and running despite Madobe & Tolka's long term intrest being in a functioning Somali Republic? And last but not least , Why are Puntlanders intrested in derailing the Jubaland state, as in supporting tolks in unconstitutional state-building?

Wadani;934233 wrote: Is there supposed to be some sort of contradiction in this? No , i found it cool . :cool: Marksman, I understand your point , and i happen to share you sentiment regarding supremacy in all its forms, yet ironically find some of the points he ( in the video) raises intresting.

Other than unsubstantiated utternces the article is second to staff and nonsense , devoid of any meaningful and coherent point of view. Even by going on the Autopupated mind of a Somali Muslim, one had to be extremely appologetic towards the platant lies about Science and the deafening hate towards the Scientific method. ..MarksMan seems to have somethings against "white" Atheists, and finds no comfort in a Religion that does not forbid slavery. :cool:

that "used to be " was uncalled for waraa camal nooh , " mafahmino" ? Just watch the show with a 3D thing camal miyaa ? ps... coming this summer to Kista , the "fika " is on me camal nooh

"When one person suffers from a delusion, it is called insanity. When many people suffer from a delusion it is called Religion." -- Robert M. Pirsig

Wadani;920807 wrote: Who r u refering to? That was for apho regarding Jacpher's comparasions.

^ You're not underestimating the power of attraction in the characteristics of that subservient meekish nigga house character, are you?

And what would the argument be here, since the Military of of Kenya allegedly beat one Somali man so should we let the arabs beat Somali men? This if anything displays Apho's house nigga epithet , but then My Jacpher was already a die-hard atheer Bilaal..

^^^I know sis, its just that , having some decency and watching that clip makes a free human being aghast.

Apophis;920786 wrote: Can you reason with a house nigga and show him that he is in fact as bonded as those picking the cotton?? No i can't , specially if he is so slavish and excessively subservient to his perceived Master. One can only take the monkey out of the jungle but not the jungle out of the monkey..

^^ Why don't you put on that Arabic dress and enjoy how we "the gaalo madow" are being beaten in the clip ?!

Quite a pathetic attempt of being apologetic towards the wankers from ninkan yaaban if i may say.ask?

So Mr wyre waxaad la soo shir tagtay sheekadii carabta oo ahayd gabadhii la kufsado iyadaa gardaran oo karbaash loogu dari? Having seen that Apho's Uncle Tom epithet was lost on you let me try the Somali version, Gabadhi la kufsaday waxey tiri, "mashaqo murtaydaa ii keentay". and i can definitely claim that you've never heard of the Stockholm syndrome, so good luck with your annagaa gar daran mentality senior Bilaal.

At my teens, somebody told me a good Arab is a dead Arab,i never understood then, now i get the a point.

I as usual am a bit slow , but i don't get it , what is the argument here ? Is it (A) federalism (B) "Clanisim " or © their combination, that will take Somalia apart ? If A then how , if B then we've seen how, but if C then i've to beg to differ because the argument becomes a moot point . Federalism needs states to function , states need communities , communities need communion or some sort of bond etc etc . How can secessionists (who support a secession based on clan) tell me something is bad if it is clan based ?

Oodweyne;916603 wrote: JB, Saaxiib, I never doubt your sense of loyalty to somaliland. And I know come high water or hell the likes of us will rather die in the last ditch defending our maandeeq of somaliland than to abandon her. But still where we disagree fundamentally is the thinking that says what this government is doing in our foreign policy is a brilliant plan that others were too obtuse to think of it before and even further this one has the better potentiality to bring about our agenda than all of the previous position of our foreign policy. This is argument that I do find it exceptionally un-persuading to say the least. But since the eating of a pudding is always the final definer of the taste of that pudding then lets see what manner of foul or sweet taste we shall have in our mouth when this clever-by-half new foreign policy of our government is consumed. I just hope that we shan't find ourselves far worse position in terms of our indigestion by the time this new pudding of a foreign policy has been done with it. Regards, Oodweyne. As a Somali who belives in the non-existense of "Somaliland", but is forced by the love of his country of origin and circumstances, i'd deal with my Guru than the Flimsy JB, were i in any position to to deal that is.

That should make Boondhere tremble with fear . Camels not being used as means of transport and slave-women giving birth to their masters are too much of a change for an Arabic mind , hence the end of the world,?

Aha, so he was highlighting the hair-splitting semantics between Somalia and Somali republic? i see .

All i said was he was not being truthful , and you agree with me regarding that, why do you have to redefine Somalia's internationally recognized country borders? what does Somalia being "strictly" from raskambooni to raas caseer get to do with his lie?