Originally posted by Abtigiis & Tolka: Brofossore Geljire warkaagu waayahan waa ila-liqaa!! let us hope it is an anomaly. Bal jibbo ah unbaa ilaahay kugu saliday. bal maxad iga ratba? Focus on the issues at hand, bro! Don't worry about cyber posters! ps. wth is jibbo?

quote:that, Djibouti has invited one of the Bin Ladens to build a whole city in Djibouti, not too far from the American base there. What a load of Rubbish! Does the Author not know that Bin Laden fmaily has extensive business ties with the Bush Family?

^^Barina waa Edo day!

@Warya Kashafa, this is a mashallah/clap hands thread! Sheikh Shariff is Nelson Mandela, Allahu Akbar, dee! Anyone who disagrees with the good Sheikh is emotional, confused and cyber a Jihadist who wants to see a continuation( from the diaspora) of the war in Mudqdisho. As for the so-called peace deal, there is no need to argue about the same thing endlessly. Suffice it to say Ulema and Resistance groups will make their positions clear on the Djibouti accords. We'll see marka waxay ay dhahan!

Originally posted by Abtigiis & Tolka: Brofessor Geeljire inaan la coloobaan ka yaabi. Islaan aan jaar aheyn unbaa kolka xaafada ama mayd ama aroos la hor mariyo ku dhex dhici jirtay oo uun jibboon jirtay! War ninyow maxad iga rabta? They you were; nafti u keenay Sheikhi Xiinfanin! Hadana ma anigad i so dhigatay? ayan dhow waxan kabaqaya in ad adigu is maagtid!

Originally posted by Abtigiis & Tolka: ^What if France and Italy draw and Romania loses by one goal. All will have 2 points. Goal difference: Italy (-3), France (-3), Romania (-1). Who qualifies then Play maker?? I think you better concentrate on the NBA. lol, relax homeboy, too technical ya Haji! Football isn't meant to make u scatch ur head! Leave all the mathematics to Alan Hansen and Dave Motson! I think Ngone might had a point when he said: Originally posted by NGONGE: ^^^ The way you describe and explain football here makes you look, smell and come across as one of those that argue with the person behind them during games and never get to watch a second of the damn thing. ps. Spain were average t'day........cant belef he left out Jaouqin..........and keeps fabregas on da bench! our Muslim Brothers, Turkey, will smoke the checkz!

Originally posted by Abtigiis & Tolka: Brofessor Geeljire inaan la coloobaan ka yaabi. Islaan aan jaar aheyn unbaa kolka xaafada ama mayd ama aroos la hor mariyo ku dhex dhici jirtay oo uun jibboon jirtay! Has it occurred to you that all this farce could be a CIA plot to legitimise an attack on that country from Djibouti? The way Djibouti is behaving on the crisis is suspiious. While Eritrea seems to be asking for dialogue, tiny Djibouti with its Saaxibul-Mirqaan army is throwing tantrum and trumpeting. Brofossore, eversince you got this Ph.D (Permanent Head Damage), you are not yourself. Abu-geeljire ku soo noqo. Oo dadkan aad la jaan qaadayso sidii guulwadayaashi jooji saaxiib. Walaalkaa. Adeer, Afreweki has no use for Somalia: hubka un bay ka so qadan!

Somalis are so-so fine?

The cartoon is a big exaggeration( as it is probably intended to be). I don't see what He has done(whether it's wrong or right) in Somalia or Ethiopia that another leader in his position wouldn't do? Ethiopia wants to destroy Eritrea and funded plenty of armed groups and opposition to start trouble in Eritrea. This is what most governments in Horn/East Africa do against their fellow neighbours. Same way, Somali Government supported the TPLF and Him to oust Mengistu, and Mengistu supported various movements in Somalia. Thus(in this way), many governments and even nations such as Somalia have almost been wiped off the map. Sudan could go the same way, though, they have the support of China. Erirea has to survive my friend! And some say he best form of defence is attack! And most of the groups Afreweki funds such as the ONLF, OLF and ICU do have strong grounds and local grievances to take up arms against the Zenawi Regime. It's not like Eritrea woke up one day and decided: hey let's destroy Ethiopia today. In fact, Afreweki's forces drove the TPLF TO Adiss Ababa and HE is said to have supported(early ninties) the TPLF in the Somali Region conflicts. Had they not fallen out with Great Tigrayists( who want to take a piece of Eritrea), then perhaps Eritrea's foreign policy would have been similar to that of Zenawi's in Somalia! I do agree HE is possibly mad, but he's a dictator desperately trying to survive, and we have seen plenty of those.

Tolow had maxa la isku haysta? It's up to the parents what they want their children to wear. I don't think people would have problem, if parents dressed their little girls in scanty clothes that resemble the rusty outfits anaresic TV whores. In this case young girls are indoctrinated by TV and society on how to dress and act from an early age. No problems with this, ya ikwhan al liberaliyiin? No problems when SOmalis wear Trousers? It's not part of Western Culture, ya? It's part of civilisation, so maha? Of course, there is a great problem and the world is up to end when Somalis choose to dress their children in "tents" and have to "hide" themselves". This is child abuse and Somalis are in danger of being converted into Wahabi-Suicide Bombers! Arabs are taking over our Dhaqan!

He's just one of the mad dogz of the Horn!

In some of the places the TFG and Ethiopians have been kicked out from, the people are starting to make their own " madani" troops( seperate from the ICU). So perhaps what you advocate is already happening?

^^The wisdom of using Islamic Shariah for purposes of political opportunism, eh? Or, if that doesn't work , then join ranks with Secular TFG and the Ethiopians; in the name of clan interests! Or perhaps to grow a beard and say, " this was a political stunt to appease the courts". And then to shave it off the next day and claim, " it was more a political stunt to appease the Ethiopians". Indeed, Allah(swt) shall question the odayaal shaydaano and their fellow cohorts!

I don't think Somalis,particularly those in the South and Muqdisho, "yearn" for the world to intervene in their matters, especially foreign troops. Whether they are Americans, Ethiopian or United Nations.

Al Rundi, the poet said: And were you to behold their weeping when they are sold, the matter would strike fear into your heart, and sorrow would seize you. quote:Alas, many a mother and child have been parted as souls and bodies are separated! And many a maiden fair as the sun when it rises, as though she were rubies and pearls, Is led off to abomination by a barbarian against her will, while her eye is in tears and her heart is stunned. The heart melts with sorrow at such [sights], if there is any Islam or belief in that heart!

quote:We have reached a dead end, because when we started the talks, we found that the US demands hugely infringe on the sovereignty of Iraq, and this we can never accept," al-Maliki said during a visit to Jordan on Friday. quote:We can't extend the US forces permission to arrest Iraqis or to undertake terror fighting in an independent way, or to keep Iraqi skies and waters open for themselves whenever they want," al-Maliki said. quote:One of the important issues that the US is asking for is immunity for its soldiers and those contracting with it. We reject this totally." http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/6F2C43E8-10DD-4103-9963-3C371E2C7877.htm

^^Actually I think French did quiet well and could have finished Holland! If only, if Henry had bottled it(once again), and the manager would have made some real substitution and not brought on some black guy who looks like thosE Dinka mud wrestlers! Holland got lucky, once again! p.s well done to holland ps. my second team was Croatia: ogada hadey France baxdo!

^^Actually the few agnostic Somalis on here( and elsewhere) are probably against the Ethiopian Interference and actions in SOmalia. So they support self determination groups such as the ONLF. On the other hand, you might find a commited muslim, SO- called wadaad or two, who will swear it is part of Islam to obey Meles Zenawi's forces!

OK, get ready guyz(mister meow) sida cawa lo tumo Dutchland!

http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/09572FAB-885F-49CB-9504-4B7BBB7B86E7.htm

Well, saxiib, there aren't many ppl who are willing speak out against the tribal-TPLF regime,especially in the houses of parliament! At least not in the manner that Sir George does it. Matter of fact you won't get many people who will speak( at all) about Somalia in the house parliament. You have some one mind? Paisley, Gerry ADAMS, ?

Read, my man Escobar makes a great argument, but just ignore this little error: quote:Sneh has a neat formula to sell his package: "Gaza now is like Mogadishu [capital of Sudan] . It can be Dubai [in the United Arab Emirates]. quote: THE ROVING EYE Gaza: Mogadishu or Dubai? By Pepe Escobar WASHINGTON - Democratic Senator and presidential candidate Barack Obama went to the ultra high-powered American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC) meeting in Washington last week and said, unambiguously, that Jerusalem should be the "undivided" capital of Israel. The packed auditorium may have exploded with joy. Public opinion in the Arab world - where there's enormous goodwill towards Obama - was dismayed, if not appalled. But then it was Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice who may have thrown the real bomb at AIPAC. Sounding every bit like Republican presidential candidate John McCain, she predictably blasted Iran, Shi'ite Hezbollah in Lebanon and Hamas in Palestine. Then, in the middle of her speech, she said, "The expansion of violence in the Middle East makes the establishment of a peaceful Palestinian state more urgent, not less. "The present opportunity is not perfect by any means, but it is better than any other in recent years and we need to seize it. Israelis have waited too long for the security they desire and deserve, and Palestinians have waited too long amidst daily humiliations for the dignity of a Palestinian state." It takes a lot of political capital to say something like this in front of diehard AIPAC supporters, even if you're a US secretary of state. Predictably, after these words, the high-powered room fell dead silent. Enter the gulag What about the dispossessed people suffering these daily humiliations Rice referred to, half the world away, what would they think? Gaza - essentially a huge gulag - is now an even more desperate place than usual. Israel has all but embargoed the delivery of fuel. Once again this is collective punishment in action - not only against Hamas, which has been in control of Gaza for one year now, but against the desperate civilian population of 1.5 million. During this time Gaza has been bombed and starved to death. What's left of productive land has been bulldozed by the Israeli army. All this grief essentially because the people of Gaza chose to be led by Hamas in a democratic election in January 2005 . That's something Washington and Jerusalem simply cannot accept. Israel has just been on the brink of invading Gaza - again. Prime Minister Ehud Olmert - fighting a corruption scandal - would have loved this diversionist tactic. Returning to Israel from Washington - where he attended the AIPAC meeting and had a face-to-face meeting with President George W Bush, trying to sell Israeli intelligence on Iran as more up to date than the US's National Intelligence Estimate data - Olmert said, "The way it looks now, we are closer to a military operation in Gaza than we are to any other type of [diplomatic] arrangement." Former prime minister Ehud Barak, the current Israeli defense minister, agreed. And Barak is not nearly as hawkish as Olmert. Barak is the key figure in the Knesset (parliament) in favor of a truce with Hamas that is being negotiated by Egypt. These are the terms: if Israel stops its military raids into Gaza and ends the current siege, Hamas stops firing its crude rockets over Israeli territory. These rocket attacks against Israel remain the fundamental casus belli for an Israeli invasion of Gaza. Israel is holding back from invading Gaza - at least for now - not because it harbors some fuzzy humanitarian concern. It's not invading because it fears Israeli casualties - and most of all because it does not have an exit strategy. The invasion could last as much as six months - according to Israeli military experts. And then what? As for the truce, it is bound to collapse. According to polls, that's how most Israelis see it. And then the invasion will be inevitable - again. And it will be Israel against Hamas equipped with better weapons. Yuval Diskin, the head of Shin Bet, the Israeli security service, is convinced that Hamas will become a strategic threat to Israel. Major General Amos Yadlin, the chief of Israeli military intelligence, is against any kind of ceasefire. He believes that would empower Hamas, not only militarily but most of all politically. The logic here is the same old, imperial divide and rule. Israel and the US allow themselves to talk to Palestinian leader Mahmoud Abbas - universally considered by the Israeli elite as a "reliable partner". But at the same time Israel and the US don't want Abbas to talk to Hamas - even though they are all Palestinians. Enter the savior While Rice desperately clings to the dream of a peace plan - perhaps the last hope of salvaging the abysmal historical record of the Bush administration - the Israeli elite still seems to be locked on war mode. Take Ephraim Sneh, a man many Israelis - and Jewish-Americans - believe should be the next Israeli prime minister. Sneh is no dove, but he's not a fanatic either. He's a former deputy defense minister (1999-2001), a retired general and a highly influential Labor member of the Knesset. Sneh actively sold himself at the AIPAC meeting as having the ultimate Gaza solution. According to Sneh, "The problem of Gaza is that there are 1 million people there living in poverty and now without jobs and without hope. And if you want to uproot Hamas - something that Israel must do one day - the way to do it is not just by military option, which would break the military force of Hamas, but to enable the legitimate government of [Prime Minister Salam] Fayyad to restore its authority, and immediately after that to embark in an economic development plan to build, through private enterprise, 100,000 jobs in Gaza." Sneh has a neat formula to sell his package: "Gaza now is like Mogadishu [capital of Sudan]. It can be Dubai [in the United Arab Emirates]. What you need is to uproot the terrorists and to enable democratic forces to act." Sneh's problem, for all his moderate proposals, is the Israeli elite's problem: Hamas is regarded as nothing but a bunch of "terrorists" - while its popular appeal is totally negated. Sneh may even sound like some other (Arab) demonizers of Hamas such as al-Arabiya TV, a de facto media arm of the House of Saud, whose cultivation of the bizarre includes a report titled "Israel preserves the option of peaceful stabilization in Gaza". According to Sneh, the popular appeal of Hamas in Gaza is "another unbased cliche. Hamas is not popular in Gaza. Hamas controls Gaza by brutal force - indeed it's how they took power in Gaza." Not true: Hamas won a free and fair election in January 2005 monitored by international observers. And Hamas is popular because of its extensive social welfare work and its absence of corruption, unlike Abbas' Fatah. Sneh, by the way, knows Abbas well. They meet "relatively frequently". Abbas is considered "a man of peace" who "represents the majority of the Palestinian people, who want normalcy and know that terror is counterproductive". Former Israeli premier Ariel Sharon use to say the same things about Abbas. Sneh totally dismisses the result of the Gaza election: "They didn't have the majority, but they used the district system in order to capture more seats in parliament. Even when they were at the peak of their influence they were only 43% of the entire Palestinian population. Now they are less popular than they used to be in the past." Politicians in Western democracies can only dream of a 43% slice of the vote. US presidents are elected by less than a quarter of the overall population. In January 2005, Hamas won 75 out of 118 seats. Sneh insists Hamas "proved they cannot solve the general problem in Gaza. They can't build stability, they can't build prosperity, they can't feed the kids of Gaza with bullets". He might add that nobody can build anything in a gulag under a total embargo. So Gaza can become a new Dubai - but first Hamas has to be smashed. Anyone familiar with Gaza knows this schizophrenic proposition will never fly - unless 1.5 million people are exterminated. Seems "Mogadishu" is here to stay. But the whole drama in Gaza goes way beyond Hamas. It is directly connected to the larger Israel and US-Iran confrontation - and the relentless demonization campaign against Iran in both Israel and the US. The Islamic Republic actively supports Syria, Hezbollah and Hamas. Although it is never stated publicly, smashing Hamas and crippling Iran would be essential for the Zionist and militaristic wing of the Israeli elites in advancing the larger project of Eretz Israel. This greater Israel would include most, if not all of the West Bank, Gaza, the Golan Heights and south Lebanon up to the Litani River, an extremely precious source of water and a key reason for the Israeli attack on south Lebanon in the 2006 war, thwarted by Hezbollah. So is it about Dubai and Mogadishu? Way beyond it, it's all about Iran and water. http://atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/JF14Ak02.html

^^somebodys gotta do it, bro!

Originally posted by Miskiin-Macruuf-Aqiyaar: Haye, Kuusha, waxaa maqlay the little princess inaa sifaleeti u xirtid, oo training jilbaab ah ku jirto maxaa ka jirina? About the thread, ilmaha hala iska dhaafo, ha iska leer qaataanee. Dadka ciyaalkooda xirxiro, saas u xirxiro dhaqankaas kale meel ka keensadeen. Dhaqan Soomaaliyeed ma ahayn waxaan, wax dhaqan Carbeed u eg waaye, oo ciyaalkooda xataa wiswis ka qabo iska dado because cawra' la qarinaa. Cunug gabar yar Soomaaliyeed oo sideed jir ah cawra' maashee ku taalo laga qarinaa markii jilbaab loo xiraayo? Kuwaa leh training waaye, well iyaga markee yaraayeen masoo gishan jirin. Mise waagaas "badownimo" lagu jiray as they believe it? hadi surwal loo xidho mad daqan Soomaaliyeed ba>?

Originally posted by grasshopper: Is there such thing as too young to wear the hijab? I was just going through posts and I saw another member's signature which had a small girl wearing the hijab. that brought me back to the time I visited Somalia and I saw all these little girls (children no older than 9) wearing hijab as part of their school uniform. a 7-year-old wearing the hijab...to me, that's a bit off. I'm not trying to be the devil's advocate or anything; I'm just sincerely curious what you guys think. Are u talking about the little girl with the pink Hijab in Adam Zaylac's sig? I think she looks very cute! It depends what kind of Hijab you are talking about and @ what age!