Akhi, when I say diplomacy, I mean in terms of regionally and internationally, not Somali villages! I think it is safe to say there was always a different diplomatic approach between some of the ICU leaders and the group that call themselves dhalinyarada. One group tried to convince the international community that they weren't a threat to the world, whilst the other group tries their best to link themselves with these groups(AQ): quote:"I deem it highly important... to clarify some issues which may be unclear to most people... particularly those pertaining to the [relations between the] Movement of Jihadi Youth [MJY] and the Islamic Courts Union [iCU]... While the ICU's goals are confined to the [geographical] borders imposed by the tyrants [i.e. to Somalia], the MJY strives towards a global goal that includes the establishment of a worldwide Islamic Caliphate stretching from East to West . The rift [between the ICU and the MJY]... has grown wider and has become clearer to everyone, even to the ****** infidels."

Yates used that as a get out clause to deny the validity of the massacres commited by the TPLF. Of course, some will see that as a cause for celebration( talk about opportunism).

^^Well, dad ba aminsan that only dagaal( fi-sabililah) is the solution to Islam and the Ummah's problems. No politics, No diplomacy, iyo International Community iyo waxaas. They say it's case of Badr( a divine victory coming with sacrifice);Quraish versus mumineen. According to this group, those who who engage in diplomacy, negotiation and elections have sold out( left the caravan of Jihad)! They say these are all kufar-pleasing tactics. These groups wants to destroy all secular regimes(cilmaniin) and create a global Caliphate. If millions are uprooted from their homes, infrastructure is destroyed, and Muslims don't have the capabilities, then simply put: waa in la sabra! This position is pretty much summed by the young Mujahideen Movement in Somalia! It's pretty much Black and White! These groups certainly do have alot of balls, mind you. A second group believe a combination of dagaal, politics and diplomacy is the solution. This includes compromises such as sharing power with Secular entities, Participating in elections, negotiating treaties with enemies, whilst always keeping arms as an open option. Examples of this include Hamas, Hezbollah, etc. These groups are more concerned with creating/serving local needs as opposed to fighting or struggling for any Pan-Islamic-cause! They would distance themselves from being associated with Internationalist-Pan Islamic groups( wanting to create a caliphate or topple neighbouring governments)! The first group would accuse this group of going too far down the Nationalist-Line! They would accuse the first group of being over-ambitious and ignoring the current status/strength of the Ummah( weak and divided). The last group believes that there should be no violence/call to arms at all( in Secular-Muslim Countries at least), as this would cause a greater Fitna. They say Muslims should work through a slow process of dawah, gaining knowledge and mustering up ones capabilities( sida Ilahay Quranka ku sheegay). We can say the Muslim Brotherhood sums up that position in Egypt and other states. They have taken a path from militancy and being inspired by Qutb to participating in democratic elections. The first group would accuse this group of selling out the most and living the caravan! We can say this group is more suited to peaceful states. I'm very much over-simplifying things here, but that's what some of the Islamic Movements, aduunka isku haystaan (and ku kale jabeen)! In the first instance they all start with the same motives, then diverge, quarrel, and thus take different roads. I would say the Somali Islamists aren't that complicated( their simplicity might have been a cause of their success) nor do they have the same level of intellectuals that other movements(such as Turabi's) had, but waxay hada isku af-garan- waayeen, it's the same as wixi ku hori isku qabsadeen, namely: dagaal only, dagaal and diplomacy or diplomacy only? Marka, waxaan ku leeyahay: it's not really a matter of people selling out or being like Turabi;it's more case of different interpretations/routes to the correct path ahead. Ya Saxsan( every man wil say I am)? ma fahantay, walaal? mise, Am i talking jibberish?

Turabi was a deep intellectual! I don't Sheikh think Shariff is on his level. The debate concerning the different paths to Islamic Movements will forever rage on. Suffice it to say the do-or-die Jihadi(couldn't find a better word) attitude failed in Sudan and perhaps there was a need for the compromising elements. In Somalia, the debate is also raging now- Shariff's more compromising attitude or the do-or-die attitude of the Alshabaab and the other elements. Perhaps what they don't understand is whilst both( or all these Islamic movements) are lost in the, "I am right attitude", they could destroy( as happened in other countries) the Islamic Movements(intay iyagu is haystaan). In other words, tafaruq renders both visions rather weak and in the end obselete( due to losing popular support and unity), thus turning the Islamic Movements in various different factions and groupings using Islam as a means to gain power-vis-a-vis- one another. Indhayare, I don't believe in ay wax soo kordhinayso in Sheikh Shariff mar kasta wax laga sheego! Kuwana internetka wax kaso qoraya, they're not an Ulema!

^^wat's this moaxu iyo norf? what happen to Northener? if you want a good nick labax Norf-Weezy, lol! I haven't seen both the games yesterday and today.......just about to watch the highlights now! ps. Germany could shut out the Spanish attack like Italians did...........Nuunow Germalku wa dhagax!

June 26th and Sayid MuhamaD?

bariis and jibebrish( no offense to the poster).

^^Did I say otherwise? Tutsi are still considered part of "Bantu Group", which dispels the myth that Somalis believe: Bantus all have some similar features!

quote:Hamdi Bashir Arte, an eight-year-old boy, said: "When I grow up I will shoot all the bearded men because they killed my father." Hamdi's father was killed on May 13 by members of al Shabab. According to the victim's family, the businessman was trading at a village which al Shabab controls when he was captured and killed. Hamdi also refuses to go to madrasa as a way of avoiding bearded men -- a typical madrasa teacher will have a beard just like the al Shabab fighters. Hamdi is not alone in his desire for revenge. A group of us were watching the Al Jazeera English channel at a restaurant in Dhobley when an 11-year-old boy screamed loudly: "I wish I could shoot him [George Bush] dead through the TV screen." The boy stood up and demanded the television be switched off until the piece about the US president was over. I later found out that three members of his family, including his mother, were killed by the Ethiopian forces supporting the Transitional Federal Government (TFG) of Somalia. quote:The "informers", however, are in a difficult position: Somalis are one of the poorest people in the world and they will do anything to survive. Abdi Ali*, a father of three who has never publicly admitted giving information to the Americans, said: "I have to feed my family and if I have to tell lies to achieve that, I will do so." Ali does not even believe that al-Qaeda exists. "I know al-Qaeda is not in the area that I live, I do not even think such [a] group exists, but it is [the] easy way to beat the hunger," he said. http://kismaayonews.com/fullstory.php?subaction=showfull&id=1214390528&archive=&start_from=&ucat=1&

^^He says that with a massive Somaliland Flag in his living room

Originally posted by Kulmiye: yes Allah is on their side- so hopefully they'll pull another one.

Hada sow Soomaali maha? Regardless of whether they fit in the clan structure or not?

The Bantu prefix shows that they are not Somalis(historically), in the clanish sense of the word. Meaning they don't particularly fit into the Somali Tribal System. However, Somali is their home, they speak Somali and they have contributed to the state. Of course they acknowledge their past, which is of course linked with the slave trade that occured in the deep-Southern Lands. But not all of them can remember their lineages and languages. And Bantu isn't a tribe. So there is nothing to be proud of using that terminology. Nin Cad baa magaca dadka ugu yeedhay! Everyone was a Somali, Xabashi, Fulani, Zulu ama Qabiilkisa. The whites came along and said, " He is Bantu and he's Cushitic, am Hamitic". As for Bantus being more illustrious, the Hutu Militias who slaughtered the Tutsis were said to have belonged to this group. ps. What is an ethnic Soomaali?

Muran Farax Brownow, isn't Somali Bantu what they call themselves? Adigu maxad ugu diidantahay? ps. Bantu isn't an "African Tribe". Che, South SOmalia(or some sections) was settled by "Galla-Madow", Oromo, iyo wax la mid ah.

Maxa ku Dhacay Sheikh Hassan Dahir Aweys? we should have voted Somali Sheikhs ninyahow! lol, just joking, polls are usually nonsense!

lol, some people are like that on this forum

Red See, why are you turning the into issue one concerning who is from Puntland, am Somaliland, ama Somali Galbeed? The issue is concerning "seccesionists", people who want the seperation of Somalia! Not all "Somalilanders" or Northerners are seccessionists! Wa saad marki hore tidihi( seccessionists can't speak about Somalia thread?)! Hada shekada ha badalin

http://www.boston.com/bigpicture/2008/06/ethiopia_in_food_crisis_once_m.html Very sad pictures, indeed!

Originally posted by xiinfaniin: ^^Saa idheh saaxiib. Waan kuu sheegayyaa laakiin berri baan kuu sheegayaa! Dhowr jeer baad si jilicsan u hadashay! Marka waa inaan xooggaa ku canaadaa. Saxiib, Sheikh Shariff's diplomatic talents and charisma is un-doubted. Lakin, anigu(and perhaps some others) Sheikh waxan ka ilali-nayna, an illusionary pit, dug by our enemies, in which SOmalia or Somalis shall descend into a greater abyss, division and news kinds of warfare, never mind bringing peace and reconcialition to Somalis! Tana, I hope that I never have to come back and say: saxiib, I told you so! Ha moodin kuwa hada(all of a sudden, markay gaaladu Sheikh la hadashay), Sheikha amanaya, in ay dhab ka tahay( their amaano)! We love him more than they do!

Originally posted by Faarax-Brawn: quote:Originally posted by Castro: Bantu Somalis are head and shoulders above "ethnic" (god damn) Somalis in every way. I know,matter of fact,every other African species is better than Somalis,Except Habashis. Seriously,if i were a Bantu,i would proudly refuse to be associated with Somalis. Bantus,are really industrious people, Half of the Africans are Bantus & they are really better off than us. The Hutu militias who slaughtered the tutsis were classified as "Bantu". Of course, there was actually litle cultural difference between them and their cousins, but colonial propogandists succeded in making some believe that their cousins were aliens who had thinner noses, beauty, and intelligence, thanks to genetics from "caucasion" Ethiopia. In other words, the tutsi were slaughtered for apparently looking like Skinny Faraxz by the "Bantu" Militia. So, they were probably worser( or on par) than Somalis and their civil war. p.s. Bantu is a term used by colonizers to classify Africans. Same way they invented terms such as"sub-saharan-African". "Bantu" President of Rwanda!

^^saxiib it was a typo......i meant to say yes.HE's influential....lakin not "the"..leader. bal hada noo sheeg! what does it mean?

what is han yaraantan in english, bruv? ps. i see, that's was typo. I meant to say "yes" he's an influential leader, but not "the " sole leader" of Somali, if that is what the poster was asking!

Saxiib, the man above is the only man that can gain the support of all Somalis, and even make them coffer up their pennies earned in the Diaspora His name if Farax Jamac Xussein Obama. Joking aside, I don't really get your question or the this thread-altogether! I think what you mean to say is that: is Sheikh Shariff an influential leader of Somalis? The answer to tha yes! But I wouldn't say is the "leader", since Somali has multiple political/clan/religous groups all with their support bases, which Shariff just happens to be one of them!

Bantu is not really an ethnicity-per se. It's just a magac- assembled together to describe people who speak similary related languages. In the case of "Somali Bantus", they are Somalis, same way an African-America, or a Italian-AMerican, is considered an "American". They have integrated to the Somali Language and culture, but the bantu prefix acknowledges their past. I hear one of their kinsmen was one of the founding father of SYL. Thus Somali they are, for sure, nagadaya xinka, @SOmalians!

This was the occasion of an "outstanding speech" too.