Originally posted by Naxar Nugaaleed: ^^ Are you saying people should not "snitch" on child kidnappers? Just how old are these "children"?

Ngonge, I will elaborate on these points if Allah permits. I shall also answer the question the poster of the topic posted. But after that- they must answer my question. Deal? @Duke:NO! How hard is that to understand?

you should go to muslim/arab countries.

The response to the topic at hand is indeed very simple: 1. Killing innoncents in Jihad doesn't neccesarily equate to being a munafiq. 2. The Mufasireen of the Quran say that those ayat relate to hypocrites who outwardly and inwardly fought against the Prophet. Thus, I'm saying those Ayat are to me the epitome of a typical Xabashi-Warlord cheerleader(except if they are ignorant and have no knowledge). I'm not interested in the beliefs of the author, per se, rather I'm saying those ayat he posted are more applicable to other side( occupation cheerleaders club). Even, if you are right- why the silence? :cool it is not exactly a baffling question, is it? Again, I post the Tafsir of the ayat for anyone that doesn't see the link: quote :Ibn Jarir said, "The hypocrites commit mischief on earth by disobeying their Lord on it and continuing in the prohibited acts. They also abandon what Allah made obligatory and doubt His religion, even though He does not accept a deed from anyone except with faith in His religion and certainty of its truth. The hypocrites also lie to the believers by saying contrary to the doubt and hesitation their hearts harbor. They give as much aid as they can, against Allah's loyal friends, and support those who deny Allah, His Books and His Messengers. This is how the hypocrites commit mischief on earth, while thinking that they are doing righteous work on earth.'' The statement by Ibn Jarir is true, taking the disbelievers as friends is one of the categories of mischief on the earth. Allah said, And those who disbelieve are allies of one another, if you do not do this (help each other), there will be turmoil and oppression on the earth, and great mischief.) (8:73), In this way Allah severed the loyalty between the believers and the disbelievers. Similarly, Allah said, O you who believe! Do not take disbelievers as Awliya' (protectors or helpers or friends) instead of believers. Do you wish to offer Allah a manifest proof against yourselves) (4: 144). Allah then said, Verily, the hyprocrites will be in the lowest depth of the Fire; no helper will you find for them) (4:145). Since the outward appearance of the hypocrite displays belief, he confuses the true believers. Hence, the deceitful behavior of the hypocrites is an act of mischief, because they deceive the believers by claiming what they do not believe in, and because they give support and loyalty to the disbelievers against the believers. If the hypocrite remains a disbeliever (rather than pretending to be Muslim), the evil that results from him would be less. Even better, if the hypocrite becomes sincere with Allah and makes the statements that he utters conform to his deeds, he will gain success.

watz with the biyo cad? give the people some nice sharab JB.

When the Xabashis leave, which is probably soon, there will probably be competition(fighting?)between the Islamist militia and those who will join the TFG. No doubt there will millions of dollars(as there already is) will be poured to create and excerbate such a scenario. Though, I hope it doesn't happen!

A dunghill is better than someone who takes his Awliya and protectors as waxan o kale: http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=0r4R4Wkdllk&eurl=http://nazret.com/blog/index.php?title=raw_meat_in_et hiopia_travel_channel_vide&more=1&c=1&tb=1&pb=1 Will you be a man and answer my question? or will you obfuscate and throw around childish tantrums, as usual?

@Protocol, no it doesn't make his earlier claim invalid, but it does make that person a hypocrite? "hypocrites"! get it now? :cool:

Ngonge, nagada smartypantska! My Question directly relates to Munafiqeen, Shabab and the Ayat which was presented as evidence for the claim which was made. The one who calls people Munafiq and deviant should be able to defend their own Aqeedah and political views. Imagine if somebody came on the forum posting articles about the ill effects of smoking; but then posted articles about how good it is to smoke Weed? The people would say: how can you believe smoking cigarettes is bad, but weed is good? no>? or is that a bad example?

talking about sixir: http://www.onthebox.com/tv/episode/epe02249275145/dispatches.aspx Dispatches - Saving Africa's Witch Children EPE02249275145 Saving Africa's Witch Children In some of the poorest parts of Nigeria, where evangelical religious fervour is combined with a belief in sorcery and black magic, many thousands of children are being blamed for catastrophes, death and famine: and branded witches. Denounced as Satan made flesh by powerful pastors and prophetesses, these children are abandoned, tortured, starved and murdered: all in the name of Jesus Christ. Dispatches - Saving Africa's Witch Children EPE02249275145 Saving Africa's Witch Children In some of the poorest parts of Nigeria, where evangelical religious fervour is combined with a belief in sorcery and black magic, many thousands of children are being blamed for catastrophes, death and famine: and branded witches. Denounced as Satan made flesh by powerful pastors and prophetesses, these children are abandoned, tortured, starved and murdered: all in the name of Jesus Christ.

quote:The caravan departs, and the traveller enters into a foreign land. He becomes separated from the habits and customs associated with his homeland. This allows him to ponder carefully over his situation. He seeks the most important thing that helps in his journey to Allah, and that deserves his life's pursuance. http://www.sunnahonline.com/ilm/purification/0054.htm

Originally posted by General Duke: BG, adeer don’t contradict yourself, you and Xiin are more than blind followers of Al Shabaab, the only doubt one gets is if you two are not agents for this rogue and vile organization. Duke, as you are incapable of answering simple questions, we will let the two horned man or someone else have a pop, shall we?.

^^Stay with the topic uncle. No one is making excuses for terrorism or slaughtering Muslims, nor is anyone here a blind follower of Shabab. In fact, it has been you(on this forum), who has constantly being denying and gloating over massacres in the South. I can provide so many threads where I have been against and condemned particular attacks carried out by Shabab militia. However, you and most of the other cheerleaders have never( not even once) condemned one Xabashi attack. Why is that? So,again I ask: Why does Islam tell you(and others) to constantly condemn Shabab attacks, but support the occupation and mass suffering inflicted by Xabashis? Why do you think that Islam tells you to give Xabahis troops the benefit of the doubt- but not Shabab?

tuff tuff; acudubillah we seek the protection from jiins and their contacts on sol

Xiin, I would love the hear your explantion on the link between the spread of Islam in Somalia and Indonesia and how this is all related to "Integration" in the modern-Western World?

PHD- could mean personal hygiene development, u know

Originally posted by J.a.c.a.y.l.b.a.r.o: Don't miss this part: quote: Ethiopia's position towards pro-unity Somaliland politicians is in harmony with the longstanding stance of the Somaliland administration which vigorously campaigned in the recent past for the exclusion of its nationals from the political arenas of southern Somalis. Ethiopia can't stop people from "Somaliland"( whatever that means in your world) participating in Somali politics. THat is your dream, sxb, though you are entitled to your dreams. What is also Ironic is that you pay lipservice to "democracy; Yet you can not tolerate any dissent and anyone from "SOmaliland",who participates in SOmali affairs or criticizes SL, should be locked up. Hamza, those who fought the occupation will probably fight each other, as happened in AFghanistan and Iraq, that is, if they don't turn back from their current path.

^^Killing innocents is forbideen in Islam, period, whether it is done by Shabab or any groups.So is rebelling against the Imams, declaring takfir upon the Muslims, and so is violating the rights od dhimmis under Islamic protection. Having said that, the question still remains; If Islam clarified right from wrong, as you say, then which Islam allowed you(?) and many of your comrades to cheerlead for the Ethiopian occupation, and the subsequent slaughtering of Somalis, killing of Ulema, raping of women and attacks on Masjids? Or are you saying that Alshabab are worser than the "disbelievers", ie Ethiopian invaders,who occupied masajids and defecated on Allah's holy book? Perhaps, you should read the tafsir of surah that you posted yourself : quote:Types of Mischief that the Hypocrites commit Ibn Jarir said, "The hypocrites commit mischief on earth by disobeying their Lord on it and continuing in the prohibited acts. They also abandon what Allah made obligatory and doubt His religion, even though He does not accept a deed from anyone except with faith in His religion and certainty of its truth. The hypocrites also lie to the believers by saying contrary to the doubt and hesitation their hearts harbor. They give as much aid as they can, against Allah's loyal friends, and support those who deny Allah, His Books and His Messengers. This is how the hypocrites commit mischief on earth, while thinking that they are doing righteous work on earth.'' The statement by Ibn Jarir is true, taking the disbelievers as friends is one of the categories of mischief on the earth. Allah said, [وَالَّذينَ كَفَرُواْ بَعْضُهُمْ أَوْلِيَآءُ بَعْضٍ إِلاَّ تَفْعَلُوهُ تَكُنْ فِتْنَةٌ فِى الاٌّرْضِ وَفَسَادٌ كَبِيرٌ ] (And those who disbelieve are allies of one another, if you do not do this (help each other), there will be turmoil and oppression on the earth, and great mischief.) (8:73), In this way Allah severed the loyalty between the believers and the disbelievers. Similarly, Allah said, [يَـأَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ ءَامَنُواْ لاَ تَتَّخِذُواْ الْكَـفِرِينَ أَوْلِيَآءَ مِن دُونِ الْمُؤْمِنِينَ أَتُرِيدُونَ أَن تَجْعَلُواْ للَّهِ عَلَيْكُمْ سُلْطَاناً مُّبِيناً ] (O you who believe! Do not take disbelievers as Awliya' (protectors or helpers or friends) instead of believers. Do you wish to offer Allah a manifest proof against yourselves) (4: 144). Allah then said, [إِنَّ الْمُنَـفِقِين 1614; فِى الدَّرْكِ الاٌّسْفَلِ مِنَ النَّارِ وَلَن تَجِدَ لَهُمْ نَصِيراً ] (Verily, the hyprocrites will be in the lowest depth of the Fire; no helper will you find for them) (4:145). http://www.tafsir.com/default.asp?sid=2&tid=1010 Therefore , is it not hypcocrisy, to cry day and night about how Shabab violated Islam; yet at the same support the violations on Islam- which were commited by the Ethiopian regime in Southern SOmalia? Or to keep matters simple: which Islam made it halal for you to cheerlead for the Xabashi occupation? Or do you think ALlah will only ask you if you opposed Alshabab-then your aqeedah is safe and you will enter jannah? That question goes to anyone willing to take it up!

Originally posted by J.a.c.a.y.l.b.a.r.o: quote: 4. Pass an amendment annulling the participation of politicians hailing from the territories of Somaliland in the Transitional Federal Institutions. Pro-union Somaliland politicians who are accommodated in the TFG are believed to hold strong anti-Ethiopian sentiments with apparent links to hard-line Somali Islamist factions. Ethiopia would like to see that these politicians are excluded from future government structures. Ethiopia's position towards pro-unity Somaliland politicians is in harmony with the longstanding stance of the Somaliland administration which vigorously campaigned in the recent past for the exclusion of its nationals from the political arenas of southern Somalis. So know Ethiopia controls what Somali politicians can believe and say?

Originally posted by Norf 1: To >>>>> womens thread Having said that, I wonder how many SOL gents carry these new 'man bag' things. have seen kuwa, even in Dubaia? inailah. and those tight pants, or whatever they call them

I hope unknown1 is oright @Nephy, there are many rumours in the Somali community. There is even something called dadqal. anybody verified this rumour? Red Sea, you wouldn't see that if ur son went missing from home. p.s. shabab is the new blame for everything

Sis, Al Rundi's poem was incredible; Everything declines after reaching perfection, therefore let no man be beguiled by the sweetness of a pleasant life. As you have observed, these are the decrees that are inconstant: he whom a single moment has made happy, has been harmed by many other moments; And this is the abode that will show pity for no man, nor will any condition remain in its state for it. Fate irrevocably destroys every ample coat of mail when Mashrifi [1] swords and spears glance off without effect; It unsheaths each sword only to destroy it even if it be an Ibn Dhi Yazan and the scabbard Ghumdan[2] Where are the crowned kings of Yemen and where are their jewel-studded diadems and crowns? Where are [the buildings] Shaddad raised in Iram[3] and where [the empire] the Sassanians ruled in Persia? Where is the gold Qarun[4] once possessed; where are `Ad and Shaddad and Qahtan?[5] An irrevocable decree overcame them all so that they passed away and the people came to be as though they had never existed. The kingdoms and kings that had been came to be like what a sleeper has told about [his] dream vision. Fate turned against Darius as well as his slayer,[6] and as for Chosroes,[7] no vaulted palace offered him protection. It is as if no cause had ever made the hard easy to bear, and as if Solomon had never ruled the world. The misfortunes brought on by Fate are of many different kinds, while Time has causes of joy and of sorrow. For the accidents [of fortune] there is a consolation that makes them easy to bear, yet there is no consolation for what has befallen Islam. An event which cannot be endured has overtaken the peninsula; one such that Uhud has collapsed because of it and Thahlan has crumbled![8] The evil eye has struck [the peninsula][9] in its Islam so that [the land] decreased until whole regions and districts were despoiled of [the faith] Therefore ask Valencia what is the state of Murcia; and where is Jativa, and where is Jaén? Where is Cordoba, the home of the sciences, and many a scholar whose rank was once lofty in it? Where is Seville and the pleasures it contains, as well as its sweet river overflowing and brimming full? [They are] capitals which were the pillars of the land, yet when the pillars are gone, it may no longer endure! The tap of the white ablution fount weeps in despair, like a passionate lover weeping at the departure of the beloved, Over dwellings emptied of Islam that were first vacated and are now inhabited by unbelief; In which the mosques have become churches wherein only bells and crosses may be found. Even the mihrabs weep though they are solid; even the pulpits mourn though they are wooden! 0 you who remain heedless though you have a warning in Fate: if you are asleep, Fate is always awake! And you who walk forth cheerfully while your homeland diverts you [from cares], can a homeland beguile any man after [the loss of] Seville? This misfortune has caused those that preceded it to be forgotten, nor can it ever be forgotten for the length of all time! 0 you who ride lean, thoroughbred steeds which seem like eagles in the racecourse; And you who carry slender, Indian blades which seem like fires in the darkness caused by the dust cloud [of war], And you who are living in luxury beyond the sea enjoying life, you who have strength and power in your homelands, Have you no news of the people of Andalus, for riders have carried forth what men have said [about them]? How often have the weak, who were being killed and captured while no man stirred, asked our help? What means this severing of the bonds of Islam on your behalf, when you, 0 worshipers of God, are [our] brethren? Are there no heroic souls with lofty ambitions; are there no helpers and defenders of righteousness? 0, who will redress the humiliation of a people who were once powerful, a people whose condition injustice and tyrants have changed? Yesterday they were kings in their own homes, but today they are slaves in the land of the infidel! Thus, were you to see them perplexed, with no one to guide them, wearing the cloth of shame in its different shades, And were you to behold their weeping when they are sold, the matter would strike fear into your heart, and sorrow would seize you. Alas, many a mother and child have been parted as souls and bodies are separated! And many a maiden fair as the sun when it rises, as though she were rubies and pearls, Is led off to abomination by a barbarian against her will, while her eye is in tears and her heart is stunned. The heart melts with sorrow at such [sights], if there is any Islam or belief in that heart! [

I googled Taleex and I found a heated discussion on SOL: http://www.somaliaonline.com/cgi-bin/ubb/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=9;t=005068;p=0 taleex is where my great grandfathers and the Sayid Muhamad fought the colonialists. Qardho? why is that historically significant?

If I was a cadaan who spoke Somali- I would perform at places and charge some money. It seems if you you are cadan and speak Somali, you are amazing.