Originally posted by Miskiin-Macruuf-Aqiyaar: [ She is Oromo too, well according to saxiixa Idamaale, aha? Originally posted by Alle-ubaahne: ^^Qofkii hadlo adiga ku bood, ma shiixe waaxid. Qoftaan sideey u qurxoon tahay uu caqligeedana u qurxoon yahay awoowe. Laakiin waxaa la yaab leh, wali inaad diinta Islaamka ka biyo diidsan tahay oo aad leedahay Marka iyo Shabeelada Hoose ay xoog ku heestaan. Horta bishaan ramadaan ma uga faa'iideysatay inaad ilaahey u toobad keentid wixii danbi ahaa ee aad maxaakimta ka gali jirtay?

^^warya, ulemada somalinimado yeyn ku sarin fatwa...wad ka baxaysa somalinimda marka.

How can be what was badil in 2006 is xaq in 2009?

Originally posted by NGONGE: Abu D. I was neutral while I was learning the lay of the land. Now that I have an idea of how things stand I could form better opinions, saaxib. By the way, my discussions with my guru never involved clans. my somalilanders are ilbax de. bahasha wey farsameyen. Anyway, this ngonge is better...... ( ok back to the topic)

@ME, you are one of the good guys, marka jihadka si wad ila SOL la xoreyno. Lakin, support the Muslims and the other oppressed people in the world,including Arabs. WHat's the problem with that lofty goal? if Mecca and Medina was attacked, would you say, " Arab maxa naga galay"?. Similarly, Al Quds is the third holiest sanctuary of Islam and the first Qibla the Prophet prayed to. Ngonge, how did you go from being the innocent Arab-Somali, neutral joker, to a die hard Somaliland supporter and semi clan expert? Oodweyne had that much of an effect huh? lol

cuz some folks said, " carab maxa naga galay"?

DQ, if you say sO. PS. don't be fooled by Ngonges encouragement. That is what he does: encourages people, sidey i su cebeyan.

Originally posted by J.a.c.a.y.l.b.a.r.o: you sometimes need to gather other gaalos as allies to defeat your only one and worst enemy, .

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=_43Ws3kQsV8

^^Your idealistic version of "SOmalinimo" is not greatly different from the Carabnimo/Pan Arabism which was peddled by Arab socialist governments.

Oromo?

.lol. come one, you didn't expect me to reply to your two liner? My views are open for all to see: I support the palestinians and the large proportion of the blame goes to the Israeli aggressors. On the other hand, you seem to be leaning towards the Israeli version of events, although, unlike Marx, the Zionist apologist, you seem to camouflaging your bias in neautral gear.

Originally posted by Abu_Diaby: We might even see "anarchists" with beards and red scarfs soon. Ahlul SUnnah is the name in town these days, nur. Look out for more like Ahlul Wasatiyah.

As well as political, military and media genocide. I gather you agree with all my other points. he he. Good night, sis. I hope to see you in here soon with a new cimamad and your avatar changed to umm palestine al lazie g.

^^ Hamas supposedly washed their hands of the ceasfire because Israelis wouldn't lift the economic genocide they have over Gaza, which ironically intensified after the ceasfire was signed. This was a condition they kept pressing on and palestinians were left without water or electricity. In any case, Hamas not renewing a ceasefire, is in no way, shape or equatable to the wholescale destruction caused by Israel to be acceptable or understandable, as some on this thread have argued, directly or indirectly. Secondly, you selectively and biasly keep repeating this notion that somehow "Hamas reloaded" and that is why they dropped the ceasfire agreement. Who said that and what evidence do you have for that? And what exactly was Hamas reloading with? aircrafts and tankers.mmmm? You make them sound like some military might. You are conveniently forgetting that israeli sources and defence officials have confirmed that they have been planning to assault Hamas for months? Do you really believe that a military attack of this scale, especially after the hezbollah war, would be taken a week or 2 weeks ago, just because Hamas decided to not renew the ceasfire. This has all the signs of a carefully planned military invasion. Yes, hamas do have to share some of the blame, because war is all about strategy and saving your people. Perhaps, they should have not fired those rockets, had they known that israel would have unleashed their military might upon them. However, Hamas is not a tightly controlled organisation and their are various other semi-affliated groups who also throw rockets. They can not be expected to control resistance groups, if Israel is still launching military incursions and not removing the economic blockade on Gaza; otherwise, they will lose their credibility as a resistance force. Lastly, every act of Palestinian resistance, whether it be a kid throwing a rock or any type of resistance, can provoke the military wrath of Israel. Palestinians know this. That is why they continue with their resistance, against the odds, because their resistance is largely symbolic. What you and others are essentially arguing is that Palestinians should stop every form of resistance because, Israel, the big bully, will become upset. Palestinians are willing to continue their resistance, even though a thousand of their people might die vis-a-vis one israeli soldier. Again, sadly, that is not exactly strategic or rational; but people who's children are killed in front of them, mosques destroyed, land taken, deprived of water, electricty and all the essential freedoms of life, are not exactly rational characters. Perhaps, that is hard for people condemning them from the comfort of the west to understand?

^^Many attrocities have been commited by israel throughout the years. The whole world knows that; it is not something I am making up. Secondly,if you'are so adamant that the rest of us ar biased and bonkers and you are so englightened about the subject, please, then, share with us your version of events and who is to blame for this conflict. Bal, educate us, walahi, I am all ears, sis.

Originally posted by peacenow: It's like a scene out of Medieval Europe 400 years ago. What has changed. They are drinking coke and sprite and they're wearing trouser.

^^That Hamas was largely abiding by the ceasfire; That, despite the above, Israel continued the economic sanctions, closed the exits and forced Palestinians to be without water and electricity; THat, despite the ceasfire, Israel launched an attack on Hamas fighters in November, thus breaking the ceasfire; That Hamas started launching rockets as a response to the above, not just because they woke up one day and dreamed about breaking the ceasfire; That Palestinian rockets doesn't warrant the overhanded response and maiming of Palestinians in mosques, schools and police stations; That Israel has always massacred palestinians and lebanese in the middle East way before Hamas existed. THat Israel is an illegal occupier. The freemasons and Israel control the internet, just joking there, but i hope you get my drift.

@ Lazie G,Blame has to be proportionate and just, no dear?

All Hamas and the palestinians have to do is keep resisting. While Israel will probably be bogged down in the streets in Gaza, unable to stop the rocket attacks, soldiers will get injured and killed, international opinion will turn against them, as it is already is; and the whole world will witness them mercilessly slaughter Palestinians families. Meanwhile, Israeli voters are known to be impatient and noises will start when the IDF fails to stop Hamas.

^^ah,of course it does, you'll be more like this guy though: http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=Pgg4ttkPH48

ahulul warlord wal xabash, eh?

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=jXVCiMULlnI dont ask me what they is sayin

Quote: The following is a full-length exclusive text interview with lecturer, author and renowned Palestine-Israel scholar Gary Norman Finkelstein in New York. Press TV: Nearly a week of violence in Gaza. What do you make of the situation there? Finkelstein: It is hard to make any definite judgments about the military situation. The goals of the Israeli government it seems to me are pretty clear. Number one Israel wants to reestablish what it calls its deterrence capacity. That is a technical term that the Israelis use. It basically means to restore the fear of Israel among the Arab states in the region. After the defeat inflicted by Hezbollah and the inability of Israel to launch an attack on Iran it was almost inevitable that they would attack Hamas, because Hamas is defying the Israeli will. According to the Israeli papers, Israeli Defense Minister Ehud Barak was planning the attack before the last ceasefire and they were just waiting for a provocation from the Palestinians. On November 4, the Israelis broke the ceasefire with Hamas knowing full well--and if you review the Israeli papers, they say so knowing full well that when they killed six militants in Gaza the Palestinians would retaliate and then Israel would have the pretext to invade. Therefore, the first goal was to restore the fear of Israel among Arabs by inflicting a bloodbath in Gaza. Press TV: Israel's Foreign Minister Tzipi Livni said that Israel has affected almost what it called the infrastructure of terrorism presumably meaning Hamas. This while apparently heavy civilian casualties have been incurred inside Gaza. How do you see the imbalance in the loss of life in Gaza? How successful do you think that Israel has been in wiping out Hamas or the resistance if you will? Finkelstein: Well the purpose was to inflict massive casualties immediately. The Israelis, after their attack on Lebanon in 2006, realized that their error was that they did not unleash the full might of their air force in the first few days. In in the first two days of Lebanon war, they killed about 55 Lebanese and then they targeted the Dahia suburb of Beirut. After the war, they began talking about the Dahia strategy which meant to obliterate anything which went against their rule. And what you saw in the first couple of days in Gaza was the application of the Dahia strategy to commit a bloodbath and slaughter of such huge dimensions that they thought it would deter the Arabs in the future from defying Israeli rule. Press TV: Speaking of deterrence, Hamas said that it would retaliate. How great a response do you think Hamas can give Israel? Could one expect something like the one Israel received from Hezbollah in 2006? Finkelstein: I think it is impossible to predict those things. But, it is clear that Israel is faced with a dilemma. In the case of Lebanon during the first few days they apparently destroyed (Hezbollah's) long-range and medium-range missiles, but they couldn't destroy the short-range rockets being used against the Israel unless they invaded. They tried to invade, but they couldn't and the rocket attacks continued. And now they have the same problem in Gaza. In order to end the rocket attacks they have to invade and clear all the areas where the rocket launchers are located one by one. But, if they invade there is the possibility of them being caught in a guerrilla war which they plainly cannot win in Gaza. So they are not sure at this moment how to proceed. Press TV: Israeli foreign minister (Tzipi Livni) also says that Israel wants to negotiate peace with what she calls moderate Palestinians. On the other hand, we see Mahmoud Abbas saying that peace talks are meaningless under the current situation wherein Israel is targeting all Palestinians, so where does that leave Israel? Finkelstein: Well we have to be clear what Israel means by moderate Palestinians. The Hamas leadership in recent years has signaled that it is willing to negotiate a two-state settlement according to the June 1967 border and also the resolution of the refugee question. That means that Hamas has signaled to do what the international community has wanted Israel to do over the past 30 years. Israel rejects such a two-state settlement because it wants to continue its control of the West Bank. So for Israel a moderate Palestinian means the one who rejects all the terms proposed by the international community, a Palestinian who rejects the position of Hamas. For Israel a moderate Palestinian is a Palestinian who is willing to do whatever Israel wants: is a Palestinian who is willing follow Israeli orders. Press TV: Observers say that a ceasefire is the best Israel can achieve from this. How is the war affecting Israel? Finkelstein: It is hard to say that whether Israel is in a position for a ceasefire. If Israel accepts the ceasefire I don't think Hamas would accept it if the Gaza blockage continues. It was due to the continuation of the Gaza blockade that Hamas rejected renewal of the truce with Israel. If the blockade is not lifted it is just a slow death for the Palestinians. If Israel agrees to lift this blockade along with a ceasefire then it will in effect have given in to the conditions that it refused last week. So it's really unclear that Israel would propose a ceasefire that Hamas would accept and vice versa. Press TV: Israel says that its war is with Hamas, but it has prevented the flow of international aid into Gaza and prevented journalists from covering what is going on there. There is a saying Persian if you cannot help then don't prevent help from others. Finkelstein: Well we have to be clear that Israel's war is not with Hamas but with the international community, including Iran. Israel is defying the international community, including Iran on the two-state settlement. HSH/HAR

I suppose the video below was for the cameras, eh? Or was that another guy? D http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=piCeQSawwrQ&feature= channel_page