Originally posted by nuune: looks like warshadii dharka ee Balcad it looks like a steam engine, look closely.

^^rer scandanavia? I have never seen snow like this in my life, so wa cajib to some of us. London can't cope there is no point spending such money and resources on something that will happen once every couple of years. might as well adapt to nature. Does anyone remember when people were saying it snowed in HArgeysa, lol.

^^lily, normal, i think your not normal. you cal this normal. ah, am going to sleep.

^^so they should be left freely to roam and come in out of Somalia as they please? Those who were saying, " Somalia is not country were neighbouring countries are attacked from and we want peace with our neighbours" should speak out against the ethio government breaking the peace treaty.

^^ What is your nonsense is that you are trying to claim that your Ethiopia army friends left because of politics.

Mr. Adow said that the new President needs to keep his promise to implement Islamic Sharia in Somalia and that only the implementation of Islamic Sharia will end the suffering of the Somali people. let us hope so.

^^lol, i remember there an article on sol concerning some games in Qatar or somewhere and the all the khamees wearers were flocking to the womens games.

In kastoo aan waranle ahay haddana xoogaa diinta waan aqaanaa;

Adeer, Somalia regions were under a brutal occupation. It was not the time for fancy ngo slogans like yours. The men and women who died fighting the occupation are they not from the Somalia regions?mise was aliens? Who gave you the right to remove their god given right to defend their deen, land and people? Somalia was not used a pad to launch an attack on Ethiopia, it was the other way around sxb.The reason why Xabashi occupied SOmalia is precisely because of your link of thinking( gobolistani thinking). Go and read what Ethiopian priests, students and intellectual did during the Brutual fascist, Italian occupation for 7 years.

Originally posted by Kool_Kat: quote:Originally posted by Abu_Diaby- Al Zeylaci: ^^Your still making confusing statements. We understand that you hate the youths because they are using the " deen". However, you have not explained how this makes them lower than gaalo cadowga who attacked our deen, masjids, women, and their fellow warlords. Please, just explain the rationale and logic behind that thinking( Melese is an enemy who peace can be made with, but ABu Mansur is a shaytan who can't purify himself). Intaasey kaaga dhagtee, why don't you take a picture of it and frame it yaaqoo? That was just a figure of speech sxb, ee get over it nooh...Shiish... Figures of speech can give away thought processes and reasoning behind a person thinking. You can leaRN alot about British or SOmali culture purely from their phrases. Your statement, to me, shows a greater belief on your part which says that Shababs and other Muslim groups are worser than xabashi and warlrods, all because they are not using the deen, hence why you give the benefit of the doubt and even bless some warlords. I think this twisted logic and a wrong type of reasoning, as I have already explained. Is it beyond your capability to explain why a person who uses the deen is worser than one who fights against it and it's people? Thus far, all you have said, " xawayan, xawayan, xawayan, at least warlords don't use the deen". Or perhaps our adeer ngonge was right; it's all about qabil?

There is a new term for this strategy to promote so called sufis and other groups: Rand Islam: http://www.rand.org/pubs/monograph_reports/MR1716/ MR1716.pdf this approach seeks to strengthen and foster the development of civil, democratic Islam and of modernization and development. It provides the necessary flexibility to deal with different settings appropriately, and it reduces the danger of unintended negative effects. The following outline describes what such a strategy might look like: • Support the modernists first, enhancing their vision of Islam over that of the traditionalists by providing them with a broad platform to articulate and disseminate their views. They, not the traditionalists, should be cultivated and publicly presented as the face of contemporary Islam. • Support the secularists on a case-by-case basis. • Encourage secular civic and cultural institutions and programs. • Back the traditionalists enough to keep them viable against the fundamentalists (if and wherever those are our choices) and to prevent a closer alliance between these two groups. Within the traditionalists, we should selectively encourage those who are the relatively better match for modern civil society. For example, some Islamic law schools are far more amenable to our view of justice and human rights than are others. • Finally, oppose the fundamentalists energetically by striking at vulnerabilities in their Islamic and ideological postures, exposing things that neither 48 Civil Democratic Islam: Partners, Resources, and Strategies the youthful idealists in their target audience nor the pious traditionalists can approve of: their corruption, their brutality, their ignorance, the bias and manifest errors in their application of Islam, and their inability to lead and govern. Some additional, more-direct activities will be necessary to support this overall approach, such as the following: • Help break the fundamentalist and traditionalist monopoly on defining, explaining, and interpreting Islam. • Identify appropriate modernist scholars to manage a Web site that answers questions related to daily conduct and offers modernist Islamic legal opinions. • Encourage modernist scholars to write textbooks and develop curricula. • Publish introductory books at subsidized rates to make them as available as the tractates of fundamentalist authors. • Use popular regional media, such as radio, to introduce the thoughts and practices of modernist Muslims to broaden the international view of what Islam means and can mean.

^^Your still making confusing statements. We understand that you hate the youths because they are using the " deen". However, you have not explained how this makes them lower than gaalo cadowga who attacked our deen, masjids, women, and their fellow warlords. Please, just explain the rationale and logic behind that thinking( Melese is an enemy who peace can be made with, but ABu Mansur is a shaytan who can't purify himself).

There is nothing wrong with going to Ethiopia. Secondly, Adiss being the headquarters of the AU means he might got there a number of times.I read Egal(?) and some others met Ethiopian leaders during the period of tensions in the 1960s. Shariff should go to Ethiopia like a man, not sida bakhti and apologetic stances like the last 15 years leaders. @Ibtisam, I don't think Shariff will get instruction from Adiss.Apparently they wanted the selection process held in Badiao,so one of their allies could be picked, but Uncle Sam said otherwise. I am more worried about the sheikh being controlled from mela kale o ka sareya.

^^I thought rudy of all people wouldn't be th eone to turn down a chance to party, lol.

^^Indeed, Sheikhow, history has been made in front of our eyes.Who would have thought that the muddied Sheikh who walked crossed the false Kenyan border, having been in the bush for weeks, would today be taking the position of his adversaries. This is must be the only time in recent history when the west and their allies suported an "Islamist" too take power, of course they have other motives, but it is stil something remarkable. In the meantime, the Sheikh deserves our duas. May Allah guide him and make him take policies that our just, Islamic and based upon the sunnah. May Allah save him from the dirty path of those before him, ameen.

lol you guys been watching this all night. I am just checking out the interesting part now. Now allthe sheikh, or was it presidente, has to do is shed a couple of tears and give and inspirational speech, lol.

^^ Am not saying that the winner takes all approach is good. Am saying that is how people live; it's life for them. Of course, if you want to change that cycle, I'll wish you the best of luck.But, I doubt a forum used by fish and chips graduates, is hardly the best way to make the average Somali englightened or change their mind about factions in Somalia. Maybe you should start an NGO.

^^I have no clue about what is going in Jowhar. In fact, I couldn't locate the place on a map. With regards to the topic, if the admin is over taxing poor folks, particularly under a Islamic banner, then that is unjust. What else can one say about about it? However, there are two sides two every story: you have presented us with one version of the story. Sorry if my comment was harsh, but I don't understand the need to disect and criticise how an adminstration is chosen in a Puntland or Southern village, if the critiques live in the West and have no input in that process nor are offering any viable alternatives. In other words, what do you want us to do but feel the plight of some supposes businessmen who are being overtaxed, other than feel sorry? Lastly, your references to civil society and the consent to govern is far from the reality in Somalia. Since when did anybody need the consent to govern in Somalia over the last 20 years. Doesn't the toughest group always rule and then lay down the rules of the game to ruled? Do you want the admin to be replaced, for them to change their tactics or you another one of these old chaps who criticise for the sake of it? Do you have another alternative, since you said that both the warlords and the sheikhs are one in the same?

Originally posted by Norf 2: Disgruntled Yeeysters ya Cadaan! does he know what a yeyster is? Norf have yu not being paying attention to poli section? majority Yusuf supporters have a had change of heart and now is shabab is good, whilst tfg is bad.

So what are you going to do about it?

cLAN elders are politicians themselves. Show me a clan elder who is apolitical or at least not allied to one group or another? Secondly,it seems like you over using the word the phrase " the people". You make it seem like " the people" don't have political interests, which they do, especially Somali folks.

^^isha ha iga turin wa side. I think us two are the only people on SOL with a miyi background, so we have a lot in common. Slang is a dialect or local language of the poor people from ghettoes of the world, however, it is looked down upon and ridiculed by those who forgot their roots. Okay, what was the argument about pinks hijabs and power ranger was it?

underdog, manz was jokin with ya. Markz is being a bit disrespectful, alie kaz.

Of course, human beings( especially young men in a war torn country) can and will make mistakes, though we should try our best not to. Khalid Bin Waled, the companion of the Prophet Muhamad(saw), slayed some women and children, but the Prophet Muhamad raised up his hands and said that he was free from such actions. Hajaj, the muslim ruler, was famous for his oppression and slaying of Muslim blood, yet that doesn't give us the right to call him a shaytan who can never purify himself. AM not saying that Alshabab don't make mistakes or that they are not guilty of commiting crimes, but I do have problem with this statement of yours: "Norf, No. What I meant by Shaydaan or Cadow is that Shaydaan madaahiro, while cadowgaaga aad la heshiin karto, no?". "Gaalka codowga", as you call it, and the shaytan have no chance of purifying themselves, lest they(except iblis) declare the testimony of faith. Shaytan and his allies are your true enemies, hence why Allah described shaytan as caduwun mubeen . On the other hand, the Muslims such as Shababs can commit mistakes and be your enemies, but wey dahirikaran, and they are not on the status of shaytan and his allies. Have you closed the door of repentance on them? Only Allah can do that. How can you describe a Muslim as shaytan an dahirikarin? Are they still not Muslims?

how comes manz only see underdog when marks makes a controversial topic. lol.