ARE WE THERE YET?

^^ but who are these extraordinary people? the ones who supposedly going to; 1. Declare Sharica law 2. Create a civil police force in MOG 3. Make the Amnisom leave 4. drive out the rag tag religous militias 4. Reject the "government" ? Who iS " WE"?

Originally posted by EraserHead: Who is "we" and is "we" a militarily viable force? bawar rangers, aka muqdisho society.

typical dictators- war wuxu ninka wey rapekarayen tolow. inalailah.

Originally posted by NASSIR: Every warlord is a Sheikh now huh? odaygu he knows about the diin. you guys are making out to be.................

Originally posted by GoldCoast: quote:Originally posted by Al Zeylaci: Brother Moonlight; hudood is only a part of sharica;you are correct. To say that the timing and condition is not correct to implement it( like Hamas did) is one thing. But to deny and mock some aspects of hudood is another matter altogether which can lead to one commiting Kufr(disbelief). You can't excuse what the pm said unless; 1. He is ignorant and totally uneducated on Islam 2. He was forced to do it or he was scared I hope his words are not a representation of the entire government. Your seemingly willing to take the PMs quotes out of context( possibly) and using it to derail the entire situation at hand, a very well known political propaganda move most well renowned by the Israeli's.Why arent you willing to concede that the move to implement Sharia is one that is a move towards the right direction? Isnt it entirely destabilizing and contradictory to focus on disputed quotes made by the PM as opposed to the bigger picture? The lack of willing to compromise is very emblematic of the entire Shabaab wing at large something that can prove to be their Achille's heel. What disputed quotes? Where I am taking his words out of context The brother went on air publicly and said that; 1.Sharica law was only being used to divide the insurgents 2.THat the hudood will not be used as this a taliban practice I haven't even said how some of these dudes are playing clan politics to start a war with alshabab, or how they are bringing more foreign troops, or................ Yes the move towards sharica by the parliament is good step, lakin if it is for the reasons the pm said then it is badil and nonsensical. Thus again I say to you: I hope that isn't the view of this entire government. btw; thanks for comparing to Israelis.

what a game!Alan hansen will have a field day analysing the defense though.

Brother Moonlight; hudood is only a part of sharica;you are correct. To say that the timing and condition is not correct to implement it( like Hamas did) is one thing. But to deny and mock some aspects of hudood is another matter altogether which can lead to one commiting Kufr(disbelief). You can't excuse what the pm said unless; 1. He is ignorant and totally uneducated on Islam 2. He was forced to do it or he was scared I hope his words are not a representation of the entire government.

@meiji,SXB, nobody rejects the sharica of Allah unless one is devoid of iman. But the pm openly rejected Quranic Ayats and the hudood of ALlah swt, ridiculing it by saying only the Taliban do this. That is a thousand times worser than anything Alshabab do.This was the sharica of Bani Israel( denying some parts of the kitab and acting on some parts). Shariff also said something of a similar tone to the Western media( Somalis are muslim already and the law doesn't need to be changed). So we welcome the decision of the Parliament, lakin they must implement it by action, remove the foreign forces and stop denying some parts of the sharica.

Originally posted by Meiji: Zeylici, Sharica Law will be impelemented and the religious warlords will be stripped naked from all weak excuses. That's all talk. But which sharica: the one they tell the media in Somalia or the one they talk about in EThiopia?

Actually the PM only rejected( in Ethiopia of course) the hudood by ridiculing it as a practise of taliban. And he admitted that they were using sharica as a tool to divide insurgents. Let us hope the wadaad wing is not is playing Islamic law too.

Duke, who do you think is behind these executions? Either it's shababs who want an all out war with courts( which doesn't make sense) or it's a third party who wants to trigger a start a war between them( this will probably be written of as a conspiracy theory).

"Wearing the niqab is not an obligatory duty based on Islamic Sharia (Law). I think Muslims make a big mistake by concentrating on appearances and superficial things, thereby giving a bad idea about Islam," Minister of Waqfs Hamdi Zaqzouq was recently quoted as saying in the local press. http://www.gulfnews. com/region/Egypt/103 04816.html

its not about tactics. Aresenal just don't have enough class,strength and depth compared to the pires, henry, viera, berkamp era. In others words, Arsenal are broke at the moment. mida yaro polish o kurva le ba xita ku jiray goalka. inailalah. this was the arsenal produced the likes of David Seaman.In any major game, they get found out in the last twenty or 30 minutes these days. ps. I think the sheer momentum and courage could actually take chelsea to win the fac cup and champuons league. hiddink has got something, you know.

http://www.msnbc.msn .com/id/30289861//

Originally posted by rudy-Diiriye: Most somali folks understand that somali history started around 17th century during axmed gurey time when most tribes in somali converted to islam. . : Somalis converted to Islam a long time before Imam Ahmed Gurey. In fact, the vast majority or probably all were Muslims by that time.

de iyagana wa lagu xukumi. wa fi kuli biladil muslimeen. bal adiga marka hore start from Hargeysa.

^^ meshan jogo waxba kama galin, sxb, and it doesn't mean one can't have a view. Somalilanda wa muslim land like mecca. anyway, wa lagu xukumi, soon you will see, inshallah. and adana waxba lagama weydin dono,sxb. wa in ilahay la cabudo, not colonial border ama democracy iyo shirki.

Anyone take up his challenge?

Many people advocate the implementation of Sharia Law in Somalia. However, we should ask the subsequent questions: why should the embryonic Somali government implement the Sharia Law? What is the significance of its implementation? What are its benefits, if any? What are its negative affects? I am convinced that Sharia Law’s negative affects outweigh its benefits. Our modern day is extremely different from the earlier epochs—fourteen and some centuries ago. Ancient people had little knowledge about the world around them. They were less educated about geography, cultures, world religions, science…etc., and Sharia Law might have been applicable to their ways of life. However, it is, I believe, not applicable for our time, especially the condition in our country today. If one glances the nature of the Sharia Law, one finds that it contains not only a harsh and brutal banishments, but it also violates human rights: cutting hand and legs; stoning people to death; whipping; beating; cutting heads…etc. I challenge any reader to show me otherwise. Let us look Sharia Law in action. Look at what happened to those who tried to implement Sharia Law in our modern time. A case in point is the brutal and notorious Taliban in Afghanistan. The Taliban implemented the Sharia in Afghanistan.. They denied women’s right to attend school; they forced men to grow ugly beards; they closed countless businesses (e.g., stores who sell TVs, cassettes, movies, music, pictures, theaters); they forced women to stay indoors; they stoned their own citizens to death without the due process of law; they permitted legally that men can marry 9-year-old girls; I can go on and on and on. The point is that these people, who were banished, were poor who were trying to support their children and families. Yet, without providing any social programs, the Taliban government destroyed their livelihood. That is, instead of focusing on elevating the poverty and illiteracy that engulfed Afghanistan for so long and enhancing and improving the living standard of their people, they waste their energy and their time monitoring and banishing the weak and the poor Afghanis. This is not to deny that Taliban helped to eliminate the robberies that engulfed the land, but they were more harsh and brutal. Their justification was simply that they were implementing the Sharia Law. This brutal and harsh treatment is repeated in Somalia. One can easily recall the first time that extremists appeared in Somalia. They brutally murdered countless people. They immediately started to cut the hands and legs of those who were accused robbing people without any evidence. I personally remember and witnessed one young man who was accused as robbing people and he was sentenced without any presence of a defense lawyer. After his hand and one of his leg were caught, a BBC reporter asked the ‘sheikh’ whether they are going to support him and his family since he become a handicap. The ‘sheikh’ replied that they are not concern about his or his family’s future fate. Another vivid and horrendous instance is the widely reported underage girl who was stoned to death few weeks ago. There were countless stoning and cutting hand and legs cases that are not reported. These extremists closed countless businesses, as their Taliban counterparts. As reported, they prohibited watching football and movies and they forced women to wear burqas. The implication of this is that if Sharia Law is implemented in Somalia now, our people would experience a harsh and brutal banishments that they have never endured before. There are some people who argue that the problem is not the Sharia Law per se, but the problem is the people who were implementing the Sharia Law. Put it bluntly, their argument goes like this: Sharia Law is a good law but those people who are implementing do not know how to do it. Their argument falls into the ground when one glances the real nature of Sharia Law itself. The problem is not the people who are trying to implement, but the nature of the Sharia itself. If you read any of the main schools of the Sharia be it Hanbali, Hanafi, Maliki or Shafi’I, you will find that Sharia Law is simply consists of brutal punishment. I challenge anyone to show me that Sharia Law is not the way I described. Based on this conviction, we should oppose any Sharia implementation. http://www.hiiraan.c om/op2/2009/apr/shar i_a_law_recipe_of_di saster.aspx Ismail Hassan Ismailhassan56@yahoo .com

Originally posted by Xaaji_xundjuf: It wont happen its just a fikrad from The vp wax dhacaya maha Somaliland wa dimuqradiyad. Sharia iyo waxa loo ma baahna sxb. do you know wax ah ka haldlsid wa lagu galobi kara sxb? Shariah samada bey ka so degtay, democracyka somalianda oday yaro o istaga ku kajo o english ah ba laga copy gareyey. loma bahana in la cabudo colonial border iyo waraq. wa in Allah la cabudo, inshallah.

Originally posted by Mintid Farayar: Duke and kins obsession with Rayaale has to do with the Eastern Somaliland issue. Notice that it's no longer referred to as a disputed region by international actors and media. The lines are clearly marked in published maps in newspapers, whether on the Economist, Wash Post, The Guardian, NYTimes, BBC, etc. It's so easy to see what makes the tea kettle boil... But the more Duke writes about Somaliland, the more convinced Somalilanders on SOL are that the Somaliland leadership is at least doing somethings correct. The poor fellow is clearly not as sophisticated as some of his cousins in masking his intentions. yeah right. you sound rattled.and the other sl's have gone silent these days on sol. Duke is reporting the news, but some people are only accustomed to reporting the good news about towns. why not take it one the chin like a man or respond to it, why bring his kin into everytime and cry that the earth is against SL ?>

xaji, look behind you, quick; mujahidinti ba usa sacota Somaliland.

http://somalipirate. livejournal.com/

^^ general Gabre( nacalaad ku tale) is related to Riyaale. ma la huba saxb? quote:General Gabre Yhones Abate who commanded the Ethiopian army in Mogadishu is Somali by birth with Tigrean mother. His birth name was Jibriil Yonis Abaas and he is third cousin of Riyaale. He used to come frequently to Hargeisa and most people thought his trips were related to security. It was beyond that, he was mostly visiting his relatives in Hargeysa and Borame. That became clear after Ethiopian army vacated Somalia, he is still a frequent visitor to Hargeisa Presidential Palace. :confused: