Originally posted by Paragon: X. D. Aweys is in search of Islamic validity for the harm he has caused Somalia from '93 to today, marka filo inuu doqonku doqon ku yiraahdo intaadan oran. He really is looking for a way to justice for all the carnage he has unleased with his arrival to Xamar. Kani Soomaalinimo ka dheer, he's a pseudo-religious mercenary, to say the least. Ahmed Ould Abdullah on the other hand, is a wise, peaceful man thinking of what becomes of Somalia 100 years from now. To be quite honest, the man has shown more Somaliness that any Somali in recent years. He, along with Nur Adde, should be awarded the highest medal of honour (and noble prize) for being genuine and truly wise. So wise and peaceful is this old Mauritinian, that he had the nerve to tell Somali media outlets to stop reporting for a month. The reason for this was because Ahmad Abudllah could not believe that SOmali media outlets dare report the amnisom killing of many Somali civilians on a minibus. Somalis had to get slaughtered so he could get the credit for his "peace intiative". Perhaps this was A move inspired by his friend, Mr Nur Cade, double act and fellow "peacemaker", the peacemaker who famously described the slaughter of innocent Tabliqi scholars by Ethiopian warlords as self defense. Getting back to the media story, MR Ahmad Ould Abudllah would rather downplay and completely deny the daylight massacre commited by his fellow African gangs, thus : quote: The highest-ranking U.N. official for Somalia has angrily denouanced reports of a civilian massacre by African Union peacekeeping troops in Mogadishu, saying the story is designed to distract attention from positive developments in the country. U.N. Special Representative Ahmedou Ould Abdallh is calling for a moratorium on reports written outside Somalia based on information supplied by local Somali journalists. ( end of quote) Furthermore, according to the wonderful and somalinimo logic of MR Abdullah reporting Amnisom massacres was like inciting ethnic hatred in the Rwanda War: quote:" What happened is to divert attention from what is going on here, and as usual to use the media to repeat Radio Mille Colline, to repeat the genocide in Rwanda," said Abdallh. "We had a good election. The president had a good welcome. He is trying to work closely with the region". ( end of quote) Moreover, the wonderful Walad Abdullah instructed Somali media outlets to stop reporting for a month: quote:"" There is a need to have a truce, one month truce in reporting on Somalia," he said. "There is a need to double check the sources with your correspondent. Because they live under tremendous pressure. I am sure they are professionals. They would like to help their country. But the time has come for one month truce on reporting till there is double, triple checking, because Somalia is exceptional. We have to have exceptional checking of the news." (end of quote) Lastly, to mr MMI, were you not complaining and objecting to the attrocious and false deal which signed of some Somalis territorial waters to Kenya? In your own words, "it was outrageous". You also described the selling Somali sea shells as the sea side deal in the the harshest terms possible: " It is sad, beyond sad. It is shockingly and politically immoral, a crime against all Soomaalis with an iota of blood of wadanimo iyo daljecelnimo ku jirto "". Do you know you the name of the opportunist that orchestrated this " criminal, immoral" deal? Do you think it would be someone with an "iota wadanimo and daljecelnimo"? Do you think such an individual witht the aformentioned characteristics would manipulate poor Somalis in their time of need? Any guesses? It was actually the same guy that you just described, who apparently: " sounds and feels more genuine Soomaali, has far greater concern for the country Soomaaliya than this so-called Soomaali "sheekh," who claims to be in the leadership position "". Yes. It was the smiling MaurItinian, who according to you feels and sounds a more genuine Somali and has such a great concern for them: meet Mr Ahmed Ould Abdullah. Here is the description of Mr Abdullah's role in the farce by one western journalist " As one close observer put it to Inner City Press, “Ould Abdallah started the whole process -- the UN asks Somalia to submit papers and the UN special envoy Ould prepares the papers Somalia is submitting -- why waste time, have the UN and Mr. Ould Abdallah directly handle things instead of abusing the poor colonial era chiefs such as the Transitional Federal Government". What a marvellous chap this fella has been to the Somali race, eh?

One is tempted to think that Shashank Bengali is another pseudo pen name of JB. He fiddled with it for 10 minutes before I realized he had no idea what he was doing. When I walked over he was staring at the keypad blankly. QUOTE:"Have you ever programmed one of these before?" I asked. "No," he said finally, and handed the phone back apologetically. So the BlackBerry has yet to reach Somaliland. But it will. LOLLLLLLLLLLLL, how many times have you seen the scene before, lol, I mean faraxs pretending to claiming to be an expert in something they haven't got a clue about.

Originally posted by peacenow: [QB Which is why im so intriqued to know about the news on what Sheikh Sharif and Sheikh Adan are doing now. Does anyone think, they should mount a full campaign to drum about support in the west? [/QB] Originally posted by Castro: ^^^^ Two "sheikhs" won't get the support of the West to do anything. They did!

Originally posted by MoonLight1: What is in my fridge or what benefits I take is none of your business. Sorry I did not mean to insult anybody, but I just wanted to show the world that those who support death and distruction with their armchair jihad are living among Kaafirs, recieving their benefits, swearing on their queen when they are becoming citizens "which is very likely you did", they respect these Kaafir's laws and rules, and then hypocritically they claim to deffend Islam by raining morters on women and children. The difference between you and the other camp "the Amnisom supporters" is that you are ruining a great religion by demonizing its name, and you bring some verses and hadeeth and twist it to justfy ugly deeds and the unjustifiable, but these guys are not doing the same damage, they may be wrong but your mistake is much more damaging as you know twisting Allah's word to fit you agenda is one of the greatest sins. [/quote OK,now I support death and destruction. Man, you jump to many conclusions. Let me go back tO polishing my poster of the Queen, shall I?

spoken like a true Cilmani @recovering siyad bare. Xiin, good one bro. I'll answer the rest of your points at another time. Suffice it to say that I don't endorse or encourage war between the former ICU and Alshabab which is a true fitna. However, now the war has started and as it gets worser, what little is left of the wadaads of the icu will exit( some already have), and it will become a war between former anti-islamic warlords, Amnisom and possibly Ethiopia. Thus, in my opinion, it will become a similar struggle as the one in 2006.

Moonlight, I didn't give that name to them. Thus stop the wailing and name calling, dear brother, as I have not insulted you. What is in my fridge or what benefits I take is none of your business. FYI, The name was given to them by the people of Somalia, particularly Muqdisho and Puntland after these people started targeting religious figures and symbols. They COINED that name before I ever heard of such a phrase. So that is what we will call them. The rest of your post is not worth commenting on as you have already decided that war has no effect on me. Why don't you say something to kuwa halkan ka duceyna for amnisom bomardment, Uncle Sam firepower and Israeli jets? Do you think their bombs don't hit women and children?Bal car wakase wax ku de. Recovering siyad bare secularism nostalgia, sxb the days of Ataturk are over. Don't kill yourself.

So you support the Ethiopians, AMnisom and ashahado la dirir against the resistance groups, interesting stuff, ya sheikh.

^^yeah and you will pray in Somali somaha? Ataturk was a not a muslim btw. thierry, you will find the answer to that question on page two. As for talking about Islam, yes, you commited an Unislamic statement when you wished for Israelis to bombard Muslims. I am giving sincere advise to repent from that error. Don't let support for a man or group make you say wax kasta.

recovering romantics, that must be your new religion, eh?

Xiin, well, If I am keligis muslims then Sheikh Shariff was one in 2006. And so were you. Remember he was the one that sent thousands of SOmali men to war to fight "Ashahado la dirir, Ethiopians and Amnisom". Here are his precise . You haven't answered my question still: why are Ashahado la dirir, Amnisom and Ethiopia good today, but they were bad in 2006? Your problem is everything revolves around one sheikh. Secondly, if Islam is a way of life it should govern every aspect of life. On the contrary, For you, Islam is merely reduced to private rituals, hence you even suggest "Somalis should forget about Sharica" and you are willing to support African mecenaries to bombard Muqdisho. This all supposedly for the sake of "peace" and "Maslaxa". I wouldn't be suprised if you start cheering for Ethiopia if the warlords call upon them again. That is the same predicament that has hit your friend Thierry. He was a good lad, who used to show wala and bara when the Ethiopians invaded. But, now, all of a sudden he says that he wishes to call on Israelis and Xabashis. If only he know how much of a kufr statement he committed. Thierry, at least I never pretended to support Islam and Muslims- but then suddenly became an over night apologist for Amnisom, Israel and their ilk.

Originally posted by xiinfaniin: quote:Originally posted by Al Zeylaci: @Meiji,I support the resistance groups in Somalia over any African gaalo colonisers, Xabashis and ashahado la dirir moryans. Sharif has become ashahado la dirir, eh? Caqlow ba'a I still have good opinions of that brother. And I let myself believe that he is being used and doesn't know what he is doing. But you know his government and the military is full of the same Ashahado la dirir that he fought in 2006. The same guys that used to kidnap and sell Ulema. The same guys that sent him packing to the Kenyan forest.The same guys that helped the Ethiopian occupation, murdered, imprisoned and raped thousands of SOmalis. Moreover, the government is controlled by Igad which is the Ashahado al dirir central of Africa. Unless you are saying warlords, African Union, Ethiopia et al( who control this government) came to help Islam.

Duke, I said along time ago this guy was sent to create fitna between ARS alliance. And then he signed kenya deal. But you have to rate him though,wu shaqastay.

@Meiji,I support the resistance groups in Somalia over any African gaalo colonisers, Xabashis and ashahado la dirir moryans. Though I may disagree with some or many of their tactics. As for non-Somalis: I don't believe in nationalism. I hope you get my drift. farancab, maxa kala duwan israel iyo dajjal?

dee orodo iyaga weydi.

Is this the rap group formely known as ESOL?

Originally posted by Malika: quote:Originally posted by Recovering-Romantics : quote: Originally posted by Paragon: The men are coming to the battle-ground, and the kids will flee. Lol! I am waiting for Uncle Sam's coordinated aerial strikes on these anarchists. ^Your Uncle Sam,better stay away!..He is not invited to this party,better yet he can also take his puppets the AU with him and leave the matters to the waryas [skinies]to finish it off. The good Sheikh, need to call upon the peace loving Somali people for support and help..Ninkuu muu dadkaa lahadhloo, or speech isn't his strongest point? He needs to win peoples mind, we can only over come this madness if there is a merging of minds. Alshabaab, also need to ditch the foreigners,lets see hadaa laa isku haaro maxaa diici doona! This bloody unnecessary whirlwind of violence on already pressed people is an absolute tragedy! Some of them have even dropped their Islamic and nationalist scarfs so low they have been wishing for Israel to come to their aid. I wouldn't be surprised if some of them start making dua for dajjal to arrive and defeat alshabab.

Originally posted by General Duke: Al Zaylici: Adeer I have told you on many occasions the President defeated thes egroups in the Bush outside Baidoa, there was anot a single gun shot on enetering Mogadishu. . Unless Abdullahi Yusuf was the commander of the Ethiopian Army and his real was general barhare gebachuch your point is mute. Maxakmil Islam was defeated by American and Ethiopian firepower. Going back to this issue: how comes when he was in power you tried your best to downplay the crimes of the EThiopians and his militia, but now all of a sudden you are highlighting the displacement, attrocities and killing? Just answer it without waffling and bravado. Were the Ethiopians and Abdullahi guilt of war crimes? Yes or no? And why are so concerned about the plight of civilians when you used to deny it yesterday? good day.

Duke, so why was it good when al emir al puntlandwi, Abdullahi Yusuf did it and others are doing it is bad.

warya Ulrika Johnsonow, manta shaqolan ku heysa miya? ma lacagti basasnimada ba dhamatey?

Originally posted by xiinfaniin: ^^That is pure Kashaf talk, Zeylac. Sharif as a leader has every right to use violence against those whose profession is only to kill. You can talk saliibi all you want but the fact remains that Somalia in not occupied by saliibis. Those UNISOM troops, who are there, are there to help Sharif get stronger and build security forces, not to occupy. They come from faraway lands not to influence on specific policies but to be part of a peacekeeping mission. Who is putting them in situation where they have to fire lethal mortars yaa Zeylac? If you think those who issued the riddah fatwah against their opponents will spare anyone you are mistaken. Their agenda is very clear! They don’t recognize Somalia and its borders and flag. Sharif is justified to use force and seek help to put them down. And sadly that will be the way forward. They are bunch of extremist bimacnal kalimah who have no consideration for human life. What they are doing may be appealing to the confused like you who enjoy in the qurbo land and follow these events in the news portals, but the city of Mogadishu is payying the price. It will get worse before it gets any better. Bwt jihadu shacb is when the masses fight for the cause while leaders lead and provide guidance. The thing is that what is right doesn't change over-night. Nor does what is wrong change overnight. Actually, I haven't spoken like Kash; I have spoken like Sheikh Al Shariff of 2006. Who said, " Somalida manta wa in Allah ama America racde". He said that Amnisom is no different to Ethiopia as they came for ulterior agendas. Secondly, Ugandan troops were being trained in their country in 2006 to fight "Extermists"( those that wanted Sharica in Somalia). They said America was sending them to fight extremists so that she did not have to got to Somalia herself. And when they came they were part of the Ethiopian occupation, most notably shelling SOmali neighbourhoods with them. Thus, to say they are mere peackeeping force and they came to help Shariff is nonsense, when they were sent to fight his government in 2006. Bal watch this video and tell me they came to help him Indeed, it was the AU which authorised the war that sent Sharif to eat wild animals in the forest. Thus, how can you quote Abdullah Azzam and support gaalo wadanka ku so dushay and bombarding Somalis? Norf, what is happening is not Islamic( at least the fighting between ICU and the other forces). Because a fitna was created by Ahmad Ould Abudllah( the smiling maurtinian guy who helped sell the sea) and the others. They tricked and misled shariff and the naive politicians to fight and turn against their former resistance forces. I find it sad and disturbing that the former resistance forces have been fighting each other. Their will be no war( and believe me Alshabab will look ******) if the the "government" removes the foreign forces and takes full sharica. However, they are controlled from Nairobi embassy, and hence they are not allowed to accept full sharica and remove foreign forces. Today they can't even speak out against the Ethiopians who are rentering Somalia. I wouldn't surpised if Xiin and others say it is permissible for the "gov" to call on Ethiopian troops for help.

Originally posted by xiinfaniin: ^^an old excuse There is a book by cabdalla cazaam by that name. Read it awoowe to uderstand what it means. was Abdullah Azzam ever used to fight against Islam or Sharica as your "peace caravan" is today? Was he ever seen in Gaalo Tanks, praising their policies or saying on their televisions that Sharica wasn't needed as Somalis were already muslims? Did he ever say let us compromise on sharica or "forget about it"? Did he ever authorise their armies to settle in the seas or sell to the seas foreign companies? I know you will say that you are against these things per se, but maslax and peace requires it; however, maslaxa is not an excuse for compromising on Aqeedah issues. Your peace caravan had sincere and pious aims which I sypmpathised with on some occasions; lakin it has been clearly hijacked by individuals and agents who have other aims. Today you are posting news about your "sheikh" ordering Amnisom salibs to shell Muqdisho. Inalilah! See how far you have come from supporting the xaq in Somalia?Marka, my advise to you is to contact the Sheikh personally and tell him to flee from the gaalo tanks and their slaves, return to his former path . Otherwise he and his allies will become like these these fellows

Originally posted by xiinfaniin: [b looool I dont blv this is true. My man Sharif is not teh Caesar of Rome, he believes jihaadu shacab,like me, not the suicidal, fanatical type Jihadu shacab= Jihad against the shacab using foreign mecenaries like Amnisom?

Adullahi Yusuf Number 2, eh?

Originally posted by me: Johhny, Let us pray Johnny, let us pray for the dead, let us pray for the wounded, let us pray that god helps those in need. Let us pray that our nation overcomes this challenging situation. I think you should say, " let us logically think, rationally, and think and think, Mr Johnny". ps. well said, bro, Amnisom should go back to eating gorilla meat and fighting the Lords Resistance- who are creating havov in the Great Lakes region.

Originally posted by Meiji: How hard is it to get a legal/moral authorisation from the Culama (Fatwa) and then face his opponents with full power? Because even the Ulema who support him wouldn't have the nerve to authorise a war allowing amnisom to shell Somali muslims. EVEN IF THEY did( to their eternal shame) it wouldn't make the slightest difference, because he doesn't need Ulema. He needs men and arms.