Meiji, good answer, for once you didn't waffle and bring in other unrelated arguments. I respect that argument you made and it is very logical. I happen to disagree with the label, but I am not gonna argue over a label. Lakin, next time don't try to guess my clan and political affliation because I happen to have cyber name of a city in Somaliland. I am not from Zeylac and I am not seccessionist, ya sheikh.My tribe lives on the plains of Edinbrugh. Malika, I speak only for myself and no group or clan. Inshallah, I will answer your points soon. RR, Silly Kawashtan have na ansar. I don't deal with Tuulos; I deal facts.

Originally posted by Meiji: First make a distinction between factions. 1) There is the genuine Ahlu Sunna Wal Jammaca who have been in Somalia for hunderd of years. They are a peacefull group who have spread Islam throughout East Africa. 2) There are the secular warlords who want to take back their fiefdoms from the religious warlords and thus are using the cover of ''Ahlu Sunna Wal Jamaca'' to legitimize their cause, just like the religious warlords have done (using Islamist retorics to take over regions without consultation and support of the people.) The first group have distanced themselves from the second group. Which group are you talking about? Which group are you talking about? This is how you described this group a couple of months ago. Now, they are mujahideen wa fi Soomaal. lollllllllllllll. So, who are the mujahideen: group 1 or 2?

^^what about xiangang province?

my friend Meiji; Sheikh Silanyo( hafidihullah), the former emir of the SNM Mujahideen, will be crowned as the Caliph of Somaliland next year. I hope you will get an invite to the inaugration party from Sheikh Xaji Xunduf. I will pass on your regards. But, anyway, this thread wasn't about the SNM mujahideen. I am contesting your notion that a group who believe the jihad in their hearts are greater than the pshyical one and have always colloborated or being oblivious to Xabashi/warlord occupations can be called the mujahidinta Somaliyed . Show me how they are mujahideen, and I might believe you. That said, I do respect any human beings right to fight for what he/she believes are dear to him( in this case what shababs are prohibting them from doing). Mujahideen are people who arise to free the people when there is oppression, tryanny and occupation, not these guys though. Your friends have more concern for shrines and dead people. Ramsade, I will gurantee you that the people you waffle FOR for with big latin words have raped thousands more SOmalis than alshabab or XI, but of course they are the "lesser of the two evils".

Originally posted by Raamsade: What exactly are they fighting for? "And what is wrong with you that you fight not in the Cause of Allah, and for those weak, ill-treated and oppressed among men, women, and children, whose cry is: "Our Lord! Rescue us from this town whose people are oppressors; and raise for us from You one who will protect, and raise for us from You one who will help." (4:75)

LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL LLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL@ HIS face, he looke like a confused little girl . Ps.I would have knocked him out silly. public humilation that.was...........

^^ Did I say Ethiopians were in whatever city you just named. god! I am telling you this group from colonialism, to the current era, have been collaborators( or apologists) and never lifted a finger against colonialism or Xabashi occupation: quote:Within their indirect rule arrangement with the British, the brotherhood’s leaders would have presumably had no need to challenge British authority in as much as this authority refrained from intervening in the social and cultural affairs of Somaliland society. The prime Qadiriyah concern was the introduction of Christianity into Somaliland. Once this was ironed out, it was the Qadiriyah leaders who welcomed the establishment of schools, especially into the Sahil area of Sheikh.90 In fact, according to Renders, the Qadiriyah leaders cultivated excellent relations with some among the colonial regime.91 http://www.nuradeen. com/CurrentIssues/Is lamAndStabilityInSom aliland.pdf Thus, how are they are mujahideen? Why do they colloborate with the Xabashis in Somali Galbeed if they are truly mujahideen. Why did they not take part in the resistance against them, but chose to colloborate instead. If they are mujahideen why do they say that the jihad in their heart is greater? If they are Mujahideen why do they supplicate to dead Sheikhs and not Allah directly? I will accept that this group is indeed brave, have routed the shababs and handed their behinds to them in some instances, but they are not mujahideen, as this is an insult to the religion of Islam. good day. ps. what is a mujajid according to you?

Meiji, do you deny Qadiriyah have never resisted colonialism or Xabashis occupations? Do deny they twist hadiths to support Zenawi and his occupation forces. Do they not believe that Ethiopia occupation should be obeyed since they claim the prophet(saw) made hijra there and commanded not to agress I am telling you straight up facts, whilst your telling me fulan has big biceps and fulan is tradtional nomad. wth, sum1 plagalarised one of my posts on this forum, word for word on another forum, which i stumbled across googling something about this topic. who are you?

Warya, I hope you're not saying that the sufis in the North are weaklings? Besides, isn't a good thing that that the ones in central and northern aren't particpating in the civil wAR? As for the stuff about nomadism and bravery: utter nonsense. Dancing around the graves and supplicating to the dead is shirk, even if your beloved Somalis and clans have done so for a thousand years. Abti ,go and read the history books: Qadiryiah sufis were hated by Sayid Muhamad because they never joined the war against colonialism. In the modern times, Qadiriyah sufis deny the Jihad by claiming that there is a greater Jihad in their hearts, when they dance around the graves. I have more respect for clan militias and ONLF than these pretenders. They will say to you Ethiopia is blessed and whomsoever defends oneself against Ethiopian aggrssion is a sinner. Did these guys resist the Ethiopian occupation? NO. They came up to do breakdancing and welcoming parties for the occupaiton and the TFG. In fact, in Ethiopia these guys are appointed as religous leaders by Meles Zenawi. They only how to declare Salafis as wahabis and disbelievers. Their Jihad is only against fellow Muslims, but Ethiopia is holy to them. The Prophet said the khawarij leave the idolaters and kills the Muslimeen. Who is closer in this regard? Of course, they have right to defend what they hold as sacred, but they are not Mujahideen, unless the word Mujahideen as acquired a new definition. Omar Mukhtar was a Mujahid; Sayid Muhamad was a mujahid, and Al Khataab of ALgeria was a sufi Mujahid, not these guys, sorry.

Originally posted by Meiji: quote:Originally posted by Al Zeylaci: ^6^maybe in 2006 with the ICU. But with the rise of shababs, the west will use SOmali groups to fight them. The issue has reached the point of no return, almost. Not the West will ''use'' but the West will provide the Somalis who are ready to fight the religious pretenders and their foreign Jihadi fighters. The religious pretenders of Aslahabab have brought us to this point of no return. You are as unjust as ever. Look how much hatred and envy for the "religous pretenders", but always give excuses for your beloved warlords. Anyway, it is ironic that you lecture about religous pretenders when you were posting pictures of the Ahlul Sunnah Basketball team with ak47s toy pistols, water pistols and fake tanks. Ya religouus pretender, repent.

Originally posted by J.a.c.a.y.l.b.a.r.o: wow ,, I like how Mr. M Society joined one of the religious groups ............. or should i say pretenders ? the irony is lost on him though. Meiji, sxb, Qadiriyah sufis and Jihad is like water and fire.

i thought the little girl crying was bordering upon child abuse. ps. its a beautiful day- have a nice 1.

^6^maybe in 2006 with the ICU. But with the rise of shababs, the west will use SOmali groups to fight them. The issue has reached the point of no return, almost.

what happened to your bravado about peace, dialogue and rejectting "religous extremism". So adiga cimamad xiday, ak qatay o mujahideenti hadra ciyari jirtey e sufiyasha ku birey.

@duke,Adullahi "Hannibal" Yusuf exiled Alshabab and he was the Somali equilavent of Alexander the Great.kkkkkkkk. Nice fantasy. Abti, lets cut to to chase, simple questions: 1. Why did you deny the suffering of the civilians when your idol was in power, but now you and your sidekick are acting like Amnesty international when it comes to the current leader? 2. Did Abdullahi Yusuf and Ethiopians not commit attrocities and why are did you support( you described it as clean up operations) it, but not the current shelling and attrocities?

Originally posted by Emperor: ^What do you mean good work Shariifow, Adeer Shariif Ahmed and his supporters used to accuse Ethiopians forces of doing exactly the same, and now his militia are taking kids from their houses killing them cold bloodedly in a broad daylight, even worse denying to bury the dead... Subhanalaah. The point is that it is wrong whomsoever carries out such acts. When the Ethiopians and Abdullahi Yusuf used to do it, you and your sidekick(duke)used to deny it ever happened. One remembers certain folk used to deny Ethiopian soldiers had carried out rape. Now, all of sudden, you guys are supposedly concerned about the plight of the civilians, their displacement, and you are bombarding the forum with bad news. Clearly, even a child can see that, your aim is to somehow prove that Abdullahi Yusufs reign was better or to "vindicate" him. In Arabic this is called "Munafiqnimo".

:MMI, do you have kids by any chance abti? See, You might still cling on to the stubborn believe that Canada is only a temporary station which doesn't deserve your allegiance. But, no doubt, the second generation( your kids if you stay in Canada) and the future third generation of Somalis will have a great deal of allegiance and belonging to UK, Canada or the USA. Thus why Somalis in the West should forget about returning to Somalia( to an extent) and concentrate more building community institutions, schools, crime prevention strategies and business in London and Elsewhere. It is this neglect and attachment to Somalia which has made alot of Somali parents totally oblvious of the number of problems faced by Somalis. Wouldn't it be better to invest in community projects in the West for SOmali youths than, say, a fancy house in Bosaso or Hargeysa?That is, unless your planning to make hijra to biladil Khilafah, wa fi madinatil Kismayo, takbir. ps.

of course people can get opnions wrong. But AT is sly and stylish when he gets it wrong. On page 5 of a thread he will say a team is rubbish and have not chance. hadow, One page 7( when the team got to final) you'll see him saying how great the team was in the final and how he predicted it all along. Ok, not that bait, but you get my drift. But I do agree Barcelona can be had. I think liverpools mid( mascherano etc) would have closed them down and gave them more problems up front. ......... this thread shall be the predictions one. let everyone make their prediciton for CL and PL in august. marka, we will see who is better out of Norf and AT. ........

nah, give him one more season. Aston Villa for the title bu odan. Ethiopia first African country to win the world cup.lolll sxb. 94 I was a little ciyal- who came from the miyi(lol). Didn't really know what was going on. I was like the SOmali old women who said about football, " all those men ma dagaxa bey qaban wayen". Strangely enough I still remember my family watching it and Baggio mising a penalty..........

quote:Bayern will demolish Barca. Barca's defence is useless. I saw that with Lyon. Guess which footie pundit said the above( no, it wasn't Alan Hansen) lolllllllll@ the 1986 world cup. anyone of u guys remember the 1966 world cup?

Dear Meiji; Bismillahirahmanrahi m; I would like to inform you that the cyber muhajideen shura council, most notably the wadaad boyz brigade, led by the illustrious abu Kashafa and ibn Somali Pirate wa Somaliaonlini, have been monitoring your conduct on this forum very closely. After a long and Meticulous investigation,a number of issues have become clear to us regarding your affair. Firstly, it has become clear and apparent as the daylight that you are in cahoots with the global crusaders, the freemasons, the skinny skeleton and farax society, the secret Muqdisho society, and the Somali clan media, which is of course controlled by the mango juice. As result of the first issue, then, secondly, it has become apparent to us that you have been engaged in a number of missions and plots to defame the honour of the mujahideen and tarnish their reputation. Thirdly, it has become apparent that your reporting is grossly biased, as you have been extremely timid in your criticism and scrutiny of the conduct of Sheikh Al Xaraqo Hotel . After considering all of these treacherous acts, the wadaad boyz brigade inc has decided that you shall be given a final warning. We swear to you, O Meiji, that if ye do not heed this warning your computer will become halal for us. The Wadaad boyz brigade reserve the right to call upon the the cyber wadaad hackers reserve brigade to hack into your computer and destroy the enemies of Allah. If you are foolish enough to not desist from your behaviour after such harsh punishments, we reserve the right to call upon the commando Kashafa to hunt you down pshyically. He shall find you, tie you up for days, force you to grow a beard, wear trousers above your ankles, dress in a khamees, sing Arab Nasheeds, change your name to Abu Meiji, and then video the humilation on Somaliaonline forums. May your fingers get glued to your keyboard so that you never type again and may the virsus penetrate and destory your laptop, Ameen. Cyber Mujahideen Shura Council Wadaad Boyz Crew investigation department. Fatwa witnessed and signed by Sheikh Hassan " abu buz my trousers below the ankles" Beardo.

Originally posted by Abtigiis &Tolka: quote:Originally posted by Faataa-dhugle 2020: In fact, history also tells us that stand-in players sometimes do miracles. Yaya Toure will move to the midfield and that is a plus. Buyol and Marquez might be back and Henry will upfront. I think, Man U will be outplayed and beaten. Let us wait and see. Man u are not physical as Chelsea, and Barca can do well with teams that play the ball. Barca's problem is with teams that are physical. So, the worst is over for them. That is what I thought, and tell me what happened last night?!! Man U have won the premier league by making sure that they beat small teams while others faltered. Otherwise, Arsenal took four points from them and Liverpool beat them home and away. I think chelsea too did the same. It believe had Alves and Abidal played last night, Barca would have lost. It is this attack-minded players who run off their positions mindlessly and expose the team. The aging Sylvinho and Puyol sit back and denied Man U any chance. Next year, Real madrid with florentino perez in charge will reign again. liverpool and Arsenal will be strenghthened, maybe the Italians. So Man U will have to wait some more years for any glory. I am in the 13th cloud. lol, that's stretching a bit, mate. Didn't you see Puyol get forward.He could have nicked a couple of goals. Even silvinho came forward on occasions. The game was lost in the centre mid, sxb. I don't know if you've been watching man u lately, but the centre mid can't run, and liverpool, porto, spurs, aston villa, even wigan all gave them a good game. The only guy that can run is Anderson, but he's crap.

Originally posted by AYOUB: Kash It's not a matter of agreeing or disagreeing with the Youths. What I want is a little insight into a lifestyle of a supporter of the Youths who happens to live in a liberal society. I obviously don't expect you to go on rampage and mallet Uncle Sam's boneyards. Neither do I expect you to roam the streets adorned in green pyjamas and a balaclava. I meant things like watching movies, music, gym, etc. Any self-discipline involved beyond a regular wadaad? In short, if the Youths do storm your hometown this evening, what sort of adjustments will you have to make - if any. PS - Segregated public transport is a wonderful idea. Even the Rio variety. he might have to make a few slight adjustments:

was suprising and shocking to see ferguson start with slow centre mid like Giggs and Carrick. Chelsea game should have been a lesson in how to stifle their mid..u need at least labo Afrikano xog weyn and one passer.bruv.. ... ps. how awesone is iniesta?