I was refering to the entire history of the Somali Bantu not just the civil war.

But it's oright to call muslims "Takfiris" and "Kharijiites"?

Quote:The tanks and the armour from Ethiopia was nothing compared to the Eritrean, oromo and outside support for the courts, thus the truth is that one ally defeated another. 20 000 or more Ethiopian troops Ethiopian Jets and helicopters American Inntelligence which pinpointed all the positions for the Ethiopians to Bomb American Airstrikes Americans soldiers on the ground The Americans blocked the Indian Ocean to stop supplies getting in to the ports. Kenya blocked the border and probably has soldiers on the ground. Either you are a complete and utter liar, no disrespect, or you are misleading ppl with this Allpuntland.com propoganda Which one is it? To say that the support the islamic courts where getting from "Eriteria" or "Oromos" is a gross overexaggeration at best. They might have been a few oromos(wadaads) fighting here and there.But there was no military organisations helping the islamic courts.Zenawi has been unable to prove his allegations as of yet. As for Eriteria, did you know America is allowed to use it's airpspace anytime it likes for free? Sudan and Eriteria may act all tough for their people but believe me the Americans know where they stand.All these Arab States that are said to have supported to the islamic courts are probably all glad that the courts where defeated.There are islamist organisations attempting to overthrow them even in "Eriteria" there is an armed islamic movement. Lastly to say that Eriteria lost a "proxy" is ridiclous nonsense at best.Eriteria knows Ethiopia very well.They have their men at Badame, they don't need the islamic courts.Their people are capable of defeating Zenawi once again even though he had support from Britain,Israel and the U.S.A To break it down for you the islamic courts where defeated by "ETHIOPIA" backed by the rest of the world. Abdullahi yusuf did what he always knew best,dial the Ethiopians when the going gets tough. The fairly tale was that "there are no Ethiopian troops" which you yourself said............. I thought it was a "fairy tale" that there where Ethiopians or where they "magical advisors". Waxay Somalidu ku mah mah daa "Nin Kale Xiniinyihiisa lagumo faano". In other words "Don't brag about another mans bulls".

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/article-23383317-details/Yorkshireman%20found%20to%20share%20DNA%20with%20African%20tribes/article.do

The people of Somali Bantu have suffered for more than a hundred and fifty.......I say the have suffered the "greatest".

http://www.ichblog.eu/content/view/171/41/

I don't think one woman not shaking hands with Ian Blair is going to make relations with the Muslim community in the U.K any better or worse! They need and definitely want more Muslim Men/Women to join the police, army and intelligence services. The story has already started to fade from the national headlines. A more bigger story should be the "alleged" failed suicide bombing on 21 july.That is the story which is on the front pages everday.These are the types of stories that have the potential to create a negative image of muslims in this country and possibly make life harder for them But nobody seems bothered about that story.Just scroll down Sol to see how many replies it got.......

My descendants where nomads from Turkey, they rode all the way with their Camels to Somalia.....You see names like "Shiekh Hassan Turki"? He is a descendant of the Turkman too...ha.haaaaaaa

The author doesn't offer any real arguments to support the title of the article "the rise and fall of islamism in somalia". He makes a distinction between the "orthodox religious movement(good)" and the "Islamist movement(bad)". If this is to prove "the rise and fall of islamism" in somalia.Then it is very simplistic and misleading. The Islamic Courts union, included a diverse RANGE of groups including, Takfiri wal hijra, Al islax, Qutbist, Salafis, Ikhanwil Muslimeen, Al itixaad, Warlords and even some Sufi adherents.Probably the reason for their lack of unity, co-ordination and bizzare policies during their time in power.Some of these groups could easily be placed into his two chosen markers, however some groups such as Al Islax could easily be placed bang in the middle. The overall feeling i got from the article was that the author was basically promoting the government.Maybe the title should have been "The rise and fall of the "Islamic Courts Union"? The rest of the article was just a repetitive history lesson as to who did what, when and where.

Compromise? They need the money to be released.........

inshallah when the mahdi comes he will be couzin of ours Shariff "arab" Zeylaci

Everyone for some strange reasons wants a part of me, they do everything to get my attention but they're not intellectually on a par with me nor do they have the capacity to engage me in any meaningful discussion, so let them be they're my fanbase and some of them have developed some ingenious ways to get my attention and the latest circus-like behaviour was nothing but part of that same old fiasco of getting my attention! MKA YOONIS

Umar Bin Khattab advised "fear sinning against Allah more than you fear the enemy". Islam does not allow people to carry out unecessary torture, dragging of dead bodies or killing for the sake of clanish revenge. In this case we do not even know who killed this man.It could have have thiefs or clan militias.Thus it is no use using Quran and Hadith to justify this action. Remember when the enemy combatant spat at Ali on the battlefield and Ali r.a was about to kill him?But then he stopped and let him live because he would have killed him out of revenge and self desire. If this man has commited a crime againt his creator, than it is up to Allah to judge him.How can any of you be certain he is a munafiiq and doomed?

What is "muqamawada dhulka hijroyinta"?

Arab nations supported the invasion of iraq.The U.S.A has many bases in the arab peninsula.So what's the suprise if they did?After all it's their oil money which directly or indirectly funds these wars............

So you want an old am who is in serious illness to go and fight? Your not a coward because you have peace? Correct me if am wrong? p.s Personally i think the sheikh setting a dangerous precedent with such a general but grand statement! How far down the line do you go?Who becomes a kafir, the politicians,civil service, army, police and anybody that is connected with the government? Once you declare people kafirs then their blood is halal.This is very dangerous when you have takfiris such as in Algeria who will shoot anyone remotetly connected to government.

who is we?

http://audio.islamicmedia.com.au/shady_general/mon050228.mp3

Yes there is alot we can learn from iraq, so we don't take the same root as them.............

Quote:It is really amazing the pity you guys have for these munafiqs. they joined whatever they joined knowing the consequences. for some odd reason somalians think that no somalian can be a kaafir or a munaafiq. This is what you said.When you remarked "joined whatever they joined knowing the consequences",Where you refering to the somalis joining the police force in reply to my earlier comment? Secondly you said "these munafiqs", which munafiqs are you refering to?

Who are you to declare ppl munafiqs and kafirs? Can you be certain that this man is in error and Allah will punish him for being a munafiiq? What happened to making dua for our deceased brothers and hope that allah accepts their deeds? What happened to making dua that allah has mercy on his soul? Where does is it say in islam you can gloat about dead pppl and post their pics, especially a muslim?

Is anyone else concerned about the implications of the sheikhs words?just think back to Algeria..........

The sheikh is very old and ill........

Abu ansaar that man could be any poor somalia man, who couldn't find another job to feed his fam..Thus he joined the police force..........

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