Abu Mansuur Roobow, said some people where stealing the technicals of the wadaads.Therefore clearly something went wrong with the use of clan militias.The I.C.U could not prevent people from joining their militias if they pledged their allegiance to them.Remember that during the Prophet saw, ALLAH swt sent down revelations concerning the danger the munafiquun posed. One can conceal their inner beliefs, therefore the I.C.U couldn't check the hearts of men.During the time of Salhudiin, some of the Ulema ran away when they saw the army of the crusaders.Of course they made good excuses for their acts.In the long run the losses of these types of people is beneficial for the Muslims. However, to me this is the sunnah of Allah. Allah swt was distinguishing the true believers from the Munafiquun and exposed them in the heat of the moment.Allah swt also made apparent to us those among us, who are the enemy of his Deen.Furthermore, one should not consider military setbacks as longterm defeats, rather only temporary setbacks.Perhaps Allah swt was indeed testing the sabr of the Believers as he tested the generations before them.If you read the ahadith of the Prophet you will see many great pains and tribulations ahead of this Ummah.These great pains will give birth to the final victory and this is part of ones faith in ALLAH swt.

These shortcomings and grey areas here and there, are somewhat relative according to the Shariah, in light of the habashi violation.

Notice that Uganda and the other countries who are contributing so called "peacekeepers" have to go through their parliaments! In the case of Ethiopia they authorised a "war" by Meles Zenawi in Somalia!In which the Islamic Courts where deemed as "threat" to Ethiopia.So Ethiopian does not have the legitimacy to send in troops to Somalia without the consent of the International community and the Somali parliament! Of course, if you are telling us Abdullahi Yusuf and Geedi suddenly "invited" 20 000 troops to Somalia, than that is a different case! Ethiopian was invited to Somalia by Washington!As the documents from the Adiss meeting show!

This is not a joke is it?If not, congratulations Duke and i'll let you know when i graduate yah yah......

@Ngonge, there is nothing wrong with th ciyaal in the video.They just like any normal urban kidz.But they somehow made it to the Metro and Daily Mail. The so callled gun is also fake.Anyway, there are some Somalis running amock in London and other parts of the U.K. Some have blamed poverty and bad parenting.But i would say, somalis are well off and better clothed than their African Caribean and White working class counterparts.I remember some mixed race kids saw my living room with Fadhi Carbeed and they thought i was rich or something.Some of my friends who went off the rails had everything provided from them in their homes!Inshallah i will contribute more later.........

Quote:Prove it, i believe Non-Somalis can. This is why Somalis start talking in Somali to other East Africans. As i have done on several occasions.Clearly this is an absurd case and stems from us Somalis, living in our own little world.......... "]http://usinfo.state.gov/af/img/assets/4475/kagami-us-ap150.jpg[/img] What would they say if the "Bantu" Rwanda president walked through a Muqdisho cafe? Adeer iska waran shah ma donaysa? Does anyone here know anything about the Waboni people?

So we have discovered that Islam is "an abrahamic religion", let us leave that issue aside for know. Quote:That Islam is reconcileable with the West is a well entertained mindset in my circles , but it remains to be seen if West is reconcileable with Islam, i'm an optimist as i consider myself a living proof for such a Reality. Johnny B, what did you mean by the above, please elaborate? Secondly, what about the discourse of the "Islamic invasion", is this considered a legitimate threat or a "conspiracy theory"?Am referring to the works of Zionist scholars such as "Londonistan" and "Eurabia"?

And you where the same person that said muslims where slaughted "like pigs" by tigre..........

In other words everyone should surrender to the Ethiopians unless there is a "perfect struggle"?correct me if am wrong.......

@M.K.A, save your islamic lectures for the rest.Am sure this is the same argument used by Hamid Karzai..........

Xalane, firstly, can you please stop the ultimatums, you are beginning to sound alla ubahane..... Secondly, clearly you are lying(no offense) when you say the 20 00 Ethiopian troops where part of the peacekeeping force.If you know anything about politics, no government can invite an entire amrmy without the consent of it's parliament.The Somali parliament never signed any bill allowing Ethiopian troops to Somalia.In fact i remember when they brought this idea to the table fist fights broke out in the Somali parliament. The Somali Government, as you remember, maintained that there were no Ethiopian troops in Somalia!They said there were only a few advisorsWhy? because they knew they had no right to bring foreign troops to Somalia without the consent of the Somali parliament. Furthermore, even the Ethiopians denied they had no any troops inside Somalia apart from "advisors, again because it was illegal under international law. Tony Blair and George Bush did not go to war in Iraq and Afghanistan without the consent of their parliaments.George Bush cannot simply bring 20 000 troops from Mexico to America without the consent of the congress.Are you saying the President and a few of his close advisors can "invite" 20 000 invading troops to Somalia? Secondly, the Ethiopian troops are not peacekeepers.Firstly, they came for a war as their own parliament authorised them do so.Secondly, the first U.N resolution specified no neighbouring state could troops into Somalia.Whilst the second resolution(during the war)that all entities should withdraw troops from Somalia. Therefore the invasion was illegal. The only place it wasn't illegal was the Ethiopian parliament. Unless you are the son of Caydiid, prove to me otherwise!

ahhh, Somalia has no illegal invaders.Well according to the U.N resolution no neighbouring states could send troops into Somalia.According to the latter U.N resolution all forces who had troops within Somalia should withdraw them! Sounds, pretty illegal to me, an interim government created by the International community supposedly inviting a foreign entity to it's state.Am i not even allowed to criticize the Ethiopian Parliament and army, which authorised the invasion of Somalia? Do you i have to willing by force, Captain Xalanow except Melez Zenawis declaration of war on Somalia. Does the Quran say i must welcome his army, willingly or unwillingly.........?

No, i don't know any Quran that says what you mentioned. But let me ask you, do you or "sheikh" m.k.a Yoonis, know any Quran that says illegal invaders of a nation can hide in their hospitals and Hotels?

Does it say in the Quran and sunnah, Muqdisho must surrender to the illegal invaders(who hide in schools and hospitals) and welcome them with open arms?

The Muslim brotherhood where not invaded.Imagine if Hosni Mubarak brought in the Israeli army to root out all "islamists".Clearly Egypt and Somalia are not in the same situation.Puntland and other parts of Somalia are not battlefields because they chose to become participants in their massacring of their fellow brothers.It's as simple as that.They even used their grounds as launching pads to attack the I.C.U.I wouldn't really blame them for their actions, they simply chose George Bush's ultimatum: " You are either with us or against us".As many muslim statesman have done in their past couple of years. Somalia become a battlefiled, the day, the Ethiopian parliament declared a war on the Islamic Courts.After that, they tried reasoning with T.F.G on several occasions.However it was and is still becoming clearing that the T.F.G did not speak with their own mouths and that the United States had prepared proxy war on June 2006 inside Somalia.When the actual war started in december 2006 there was no turning back after that point.Again i can't see the comparisons between an illegally occupied Somalia and Egypt.Some Somalis have surrendered to the "Woyane" whilst other have chosen to resist them.

Originally posted by Pi: SYL, do you know that the founding members of the SYL did not contain a single terrorist or anarchist. And here you are calling for further destablization of the capital. Even some of the SYL members who are alive today would look at with contempt. Did they contain a single Tigre? Besides, if you dowlad-diid folks are so brave, why not fight the Government Forces and their Tigre allies head-on? A self confessed Tigre lover. Or did they teach you an unforgettable lesson in Iidaale and Diinsoor. The dawlad-diids were slaughtered like pigs when they came to the open battle feild, so they resort to hiding behind children and women. Who is hiding in Muqdisho hotels and Hospitals?Your tigre buddies!You are shattering your own argument, one minute your saying "dowladiid" then our admitting they where slaughtered by "Tigre", surely they should be called "Tigrediid" and you are a "Tigrabee".Even worse you are saying a muslim army were slaughtered like "pigs" by Tigres acudubillah..........

Towards the end of 1258 CE the Tartars started invading the Muslim lands. When Caliph Abu Ahmad Al-Muta'sim began preparing an army to stop the invasion, his minister Al-Alkami tricked him by convincing him to make friends with the invaders. Al-Alkami wrote secret letters to the Tartars promising them to halt any resistance against them provided that they appointed him as a Caliph and allowed him to establish his own Shia' state in Baghdad. When Al-Alkami misinformed Caliph Abu Ahmad Al-Muta'sim and made him think that a peace agreement had been reached with the Tartars, Al Muta'sim left with his minister, scholars, and leaders to Baghdad to meet the leader of the Tartars, who killed them all, and captured Baghdad. After that the Tartars killed Al-Alkami too because they knew that a person who betrays his leader wouldn't spare his enemy. Even the people who use traitors know their worth........

Bad news.............

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/6389157.stm

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/metropolitan/4575177.html

Khalaf what exactly is your solution or what are you adovocating ppl should do? It seems you are only identifying a problem but offering no solutions!I don't understand your comparison with the Muslim Brotherhood.Somalia is a battlefiled whilst Egypt is not.........

Which essentially consist, such as that of “Top-scorers-for-The-League-of-Stooges”(i.e., TFG’s Crowd), or even that of “Fence-Warmers”(Mr. Ngonge must be feeling alone in here, all by himself... ), “Jihadis Incorporated”(i.e., the few that so far survived against the demised of the ICUs), and lastly, the “fast-bowlers-for-Somaliland-cause”(i.e., many home-boys that shall treat you with contempt you desrve) to say the least lollllllllllll

These kids in the video aren't gangsters they are just some ciyaal with hoodies, don't know how they made it to the metro.Everyone with a hoodie is called a gangster knowadays..... Lakin you all know about the situation in which between the Somalis and Afro/african carribeans way back in the days.Most Somalis crews started as a response to other rival crews such as Whites and Afro carribeans....... The situation is not that bad.But let me tell you it is like a bomb with a timer slowing waiting to blow up! Somali kids are fighting in groups alla cross london with bats, knives and all sorts of other weapons. Somalis kidz have now moved on from Weed to selling crack know.There are some well known local drug dealers(not hoodies) who are Somalis and even the Afro carribeans know about them.The police even come with dogs starting to search Marfishes for Cocaine and other drugs....... Remember those brothers that shot the police? It won't be long before Somalis are shooting at each other....rather than fighting in groups with baseball bats and knifes! The Somali Community is sleeping on this one.Their only solution is to send kidz to Somalia or the Middle East. This has not worked except in a few instances.I know ppl who got sent to Somalia but came back even more violent and gangster............I don't want to sound alarmist.......Lakin this is problem the Somali community needs to acknowledge....rather than simply sending kidz to Somalia or kicking them out of the house..........

Originally posted by Johnny B: [QB] Abu_Geeljire, Thanks for the somewhat spiced history lecture, Yes it is spiced up or a "conspiracy theory" when it comes to Islam or Muslims.But when you drop eurocentric opinions such "Islam was pacified....." with no evidence, you want us to believe them as "knowledge" eh?Maybe the world did not begin when christianity was pacified? but what was your point of contention again? did you by any chance redefine Islam ? I asked you to define what you mean Islam in todays world, is it the Quran,Hadith, States, Alqaeda, Sunni insurgents or the entire Muslim world.Who exactly is trying to define itself for a conflict with the "superior" West? or made it more than another Abrahamic religion.? Simple really, can any Christian or Judaic empire compare to the Islamic Civilization?Did they create systems where minorities where tolerated and the Sciences flourished before the rise of the secular West?Simply stating Islam is an Abrahamic religion like Christianity and Judaism is hardly any evidence for your assertations!

The Metro ran a story about dangerous gangs in london, one of them called "woolwich younger boys".Apparently one of them poses with a gun in the video. I figured they must be somalis, so i youtube it and this is what came up.........How scary do you find this "gang" ......?It seems any group of ciyaal with hoodies are labeled as gangsters.........and what gangsters put their pics and pose on their net? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dp76vgsYhO4 You've been warned remember.......