Taliban, what? 720 i.c.u mujahideens in Lebanon? By the way, the Zionists are probably planning their third war with Hezbollah. These people do not take defeat lightly. Nasrallah probably knows they will come for him once again.

Volunteers Kulaha. Ma carab baa kaso dageysa airporka Muqdisho? Waa la xidhi ama iyagaaba gantaal ku dhufan! Kuwi hore I.C.U u yimi waxay noqdeen wax shaheeda, wax kaneeco cunto ama borderka Kenya uu cararay!

What makes you say the Rendille are a lost Somali clan?Also what does Rendille mean, it sounds like "Reer Diin La"? I think they might be some our ancestors who didn't except Islam? what you thinK M.M.I?

Machiavelli: Il Principe Chapter XXVI An Exhortation To Liberate Italy From The Barbarians English | Italiano HAVING carefully considered the subject of the above discourses, and wondering within myself whether the present times were propitious to a new prince, and whether there were the elements that would give an opportunity to a wise and virtuous one to introduce a new order of things which would do honour to him and good to the people of this country, it appears to me that so many things concur to favour a new prince that I never knew a time more fit than the present. And if, as I said, it was necessary that the people of Israel should be captive so as to make manifest the ability of Moses; that the Persians should be oppressed by the Medes so as to discover the greatness of the soul of Cyrus; and that the Athenians should be dispersed to illustrate the capabilities of Theseus: then at the present time, in order to discover the virtue of an Italian spirit, it was necessary that Italy should be reduced to the extremity she is now in, that she should be more enslaved than the Hebrews, more oppressed than the Persians, more scattered than the Athenians; without head, without order, beaten, despoiled, torn, overrun; and to have endured every kind of desolation. Although lately some spark may have been shown by one, which made us think he was ordained by God for our redemption, nevertheless it was afterwards seen, in the height of his career, that fortune rejected him; so that Italy, left as without life, waits for him who shall yet heal her wounds and put an end to the ravaging and plundering of Lombardy, to the swindling and taxing of the kingdom and of Tuscany, and cleanse those sores that for long have festered. It is seen how she entreats God to send someone who shall deliver her from these wrongs and barbarous insolencies. It is seen also that she is ready and willing to follow a banner if only someone will raise it. Nor is there to be seen at present one in whom she can place more hope than in your illustrious house, with its valour and fortune, favoured by God and by the Church of which it is now the chief, and which could be made the head of this redemption. This will not be difficult if you will recall to yourself the actions and lives of the men I have named. And although they were great and wonderful men, yet they were men, and each one of them had no more opportunity than the present offers, for their enterprises were neither more just nor easier than this, nor was God more their friend than He is yours. With us there is great justice, because that war is just which is necessary, and arms are hallowed when there is no other hope but in them. Here there is the greatest willingness, and where the willingness is great the difficulties cannot be great if you will only follow those men to whom I have directed your attention. Further than this, how extraordinarily the ways of God have been manifested beyond example: the sea is divided, a cloud has led the way, the rock has poured forth water, it has rained manna, everything has contributed to your greatness; you ought to do the rest. God is not willing to do everything, and thus take away our free will and that share of glory which belongs to us. And it is not to be wondered at if none of the above-named Italians have been able to accomplish all that is expected from your illustrious house; and if in so many revolutions in Italy, and in so many campaigns, it has always appeared as if military virtue were exhausted, this has happened because the old order of things was not good, and none of us have known how to find a new one. And nothing honours a man more than to establish new laws and new ordinances when he himself was newly risen. Such things when they are well founded and dignified will make him revered and admired, and in Italy there are not wanting opportunities to bring such into use in every form. Here there is great valour in the limbs whilst it fails in the head. Look attentively at the duels and the hand-to-hand combats, how superior the Italians are in strength, dexterity, and subtlety. But when it comes to armies they do not bear comparison, and this springs entirely from the insufficiency of the leaders, since those who are capable are not obedient, and each one seems to himself to know, there having never been any one so distinguished above the rest, either by valour or fortune, that others would yield to him. Hence it is that for so long a time, and during so much fighting in the past twenty years, whenever there has been an army wholly Italian, it has always given a poor account of itself; as witness Taro, Alessandria, Capua, Genoa, Vaila, Bologna, Mestre. If, therefore, your illustrious house wishes to follow those remarkable men who have redeemed their country, it is necessary before all things, as a true foundation for every enterprise, to be provided with your own forces, because there can be no more faithful, truer, or better soldiers. And although singly they are good, altogether they will be much better when they find themselves commanded by their prince, honoured by him, and maintained at his expense. Therefore it is necessary to be prepared with such arms, so that you can be defended against foreigners by Italian valour. And although Swiss and Spanish infantry may be considered very formidable, nevertheless there is a defect in both, by reason of which a third order would not only be able to oppose them, but might be relied upon to overthrow them. For the Spaniards cannot resist cavalry, and the Switzers are afraid of infantry whenever they encounter them in close combat. Owing to this, as has been and may again be seen, the Spaniards are unable to resist French cavalry, and the Switzers are overthrown by infantry. And although a complete proof of this latter cannot be shown, nevertheless there was some evidence of it at the battle of Ravenna, when the Spanish infantry were confronted by German battalions, who follow the same tactics as the Swiss; when the Spaniards, by agility of body and with the aid of their shields, got in under the pikes of the Germans and stood out of danger, able to attack, while the Germans stood helpless, and, if the cavalry had not dashed up, all would have been over with them. It is possible, therefore, knowing the defects of both these infantries, to invent a new one, which will resist cavalry and not be afraid of infantry; this need not create a new order of arms, but a variation upon the old. And these are the kind of improvements which confer reputation and power upon a new prince. This opportunity, therefore, ought not to be allowed to pass for letting Italy at last see her liberator appear. Nor can one express the love with which he would be received in all those provinces which have suffered so much from these foreign scourings, with what thirst for revenge, with what stubborn faith, with what devotion, with what tears. What door would be closed to him? Who would refuse obedience to him? What envy would hinder him? What Italian would refuse him homage? To all of us this barbarous dominion stinks. Let, therefore, your illustrious house take up this charge with that courage and hope with which all just enterprises are undertaken, so that under its standard our native country may be ennobled, and under its auspices may be verified that saying of Petrarch

There are great lesson for the Somali people in the Awz and Khazraj which i will inshallah touch in!

Samer Al-Omran very enlightening inshallah, surah Al furqan, Allah answers the lies against his prophet salalahu calayhiwasalam....

They do have a tough choice to make. Surrender and give up their arms, or fight with a mere clan army!

They do have a tough choice to make. Surrender and give up their arms, or fight with a mere clan army!

They do have a tough choice to make. Surrender and give up their arms, or fight with a mere clan army!

Qari Saad Nomani imitating Sheikh Sudais and Shuraim Here he imitates Hudhaify and Salah al Budair:

Clearly the advantange is with t.f.g in terms of military and support. The questions is, if they root out this clan militia, will thye be able to rule them? Some of the government supporters on here need to learn a little diplomacy. Look at the subtle difference in words, eg "Clean up" vs "Annihilation".

Originally posted by bambo: whats fuzz about Ehtopians , Bambo wrote:was it ethopian troops that where killin somalis for the past 18 years, Raping elders and minorities , somalis them self where killing each other for the past 18 years . The Somalis that were killing and raping Somali, were the Somali warlords. Those Warlords were all financed by Ethiopia. Thus the Somali people defeated them and they fled to Adiss Ababa. Kabacdi, they were once again rearmed and brought to Southern Somalia by Ethiopian troops. Therefore Qeybdiid, Mahamed Dheere and the Ethiopians are equal to us.The man who hands over a Somali wadaad to the C.i.A is one of them.Nevertheless, Somalis killing each other doesn't equal other have to rape our woman too. Only the weak men and Dhabadhilifs with no sense of honour, shame or deceny would advocate such things. Bambo wrote:iTs debatable whether we needed ethopian troops when icu where in power , but is quite clear at present time if they leave, xaamaar and rest of somalia will be on fire - with level animosity that exist today . That is probably true. But it is the same thing that. But that is the same excuse that is being used by the Americans in Iraq today. Bambo wrote:I dont understand why we demand so much when we dont have basic needs and want . Because it is a Human instinct to resist and condemn colonisation, slavery and all other oppression. Even animals have this instinct. Furthermore, our religion doesn't allow invasion, violation, occupations and other oppression of an Islamic land. The creator has commanded us to resist this with our hearts, tongues,our wealth and our bodies. Bambo wrote:We somalis should even be happy even if Isreal troops bring peace and stability to ourhomeland and stop being I will not comment on this issue. I am sure you didn't really mean it. hypocrite , most of us live in western world , and peace and stability we enjoy are being provided by christin entities - i dont see no one complaining . [b ]The Christian entities in the West do not violate our homes, woman nor do they send their armies to attack us in London, Minesota our Scandanavia. Besides, this is really lame execuse. Are you saying an Iraq or Palestinian should support America and Israel just because he lives in America. Are you saying a Palestinian living in America should support her support of the Israeli occupation? According to our religion the hypocrites are the ones who support the non believers and humilating the Muslims. [/b]

PI, the suspicion of Somali clans and deep paranoia against one another had quadrupled since the Ethiopian invasion.There is much more distrust. Know the Ethiopians have more of an excuse to stay in Somalia, because they are "negotiating" between clans. Quote:But if I were to compare the presence of Ethiopians with eternal anarchy and savegery, I'd choose the Ethiopians. Why? Add two and two together. Aint that complicated. Because you see everything through clan lenses?Which i wouldn't blame you for considering the current situation.

The answer was given here: http://www.somaliaonline.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=9;t=008759#000000

Sheikh Nuurow, bal wax nooga taabo, the events of the last days and the blatant clanish sentiments( regarding the muqawama), which have left a few of the nomads bwelidered and confused, in the last couple of days.

These twon men have no real popularity or appeal to the the Somali population at large. It seems they are stuck in the Siad Bare days. It is also interesting how, the "secular, progressive, liberal" leaning Somalis turn out be die hard neo clan fascists.

Saxib, rubbish you supported the Ethiopians and their invasion of Somalia from day one. You didn't speak out agains the annihiliation of the Wadaads. You didn't speak out against the kidnapping of refugees. You didn't say anything about their illegal renditions and arresting of wadaads. You didn't say anything about the kidapping and arresting of Somali businessman from their homes. You didn't condemn them for raping Somali woman. Never mind the gross human rights violations carried against Somalis and other ethnic groups in Ethiopia. You even had the audacity to say it was "haram" to oppose the Ethiopians. You say you blame Dahir Aweys for what happened in Juba. But Abdullahi Yusuf was saying as early as 2001, that there were terrorists in Somalia.The Government is still telling the international community there is Alqaeda in Muqdisho. Imagine if they bomb Muqdisho homes. Who will you blame Dahir Aweys or Salad Ali Jeele? You even wrote on this thread " Ethiopia told the clan elders, they are only fighting terrorists". If only you could blame everything in the world on Dahir Aweys and Indhacade!

Emotional propoganda from the invasion, occupation and rape sympathisers......I will not be buying it for sure...Wadaadi la dulmiyey, dumarki Soomali ee la kufsaday iyo masakiinti bombka lagu rusheeyey waxba lagama qorin oo xita lama odhan waa khalad. Qar baa xita yidhi "Sax bay uu leeyihin(America) iin ay Qaracaan".......

Osama doesn't mean nothing. I thought he appointed a representative in Muqdisho, which the T.F.G was fighting?Maybe you need to make up your mind, One minute your fighting Alqaeda, next minute your fighting "clans; the next your fighting: eriterians, oromon, arabs......oh and i forgot your also fighting "clowns"......

Osama, spotted in South Muqdisho by any chance?

You mean Puntland clan supporters and Muqdisho clan supporters?

I gather this is a different "Zeilaci", to the "Zeilaci" that apparently wrote the only "authrotative text" on the hanafi sect!

Saxib, you didn't need to bother yourself. I doubt many people on this forum believe that "thousands" of Ethiopians are being settled in Somalia. Most are people are just scrambling to post stories that reflect their view point. Isn't that what the media is about these days?

Dabshid, the Arabs trace their lineage back Adan via Qhahtan. In other words, the oldest of the arabs and the forefathers of the arabs are the Black Arabs populations in southern arabia.........the people mentioned in the Quran ie Ad, Thamud,...these were the superior civilizations eg seba(the sabaens) the Northern asiatic arabs in Mecca were just nomadic with littel civilization. Even habashida used to control southern Arabia.........

I hope some ppl realise, Ethiopian iyo Uganda cidana kama baqayso, dadakana lagumo hanjabi karo Tankiyaal iyo madafiic. It's good that the elders have reached a compromise, a clan war in Somalia, would be far disastrous, than any previous conflict with the I.C.U.