Brother, anwer the Question please, do you or did you support the Ethiopian invasion of Somalia? Do you believe those resisting them have a legitimate right?

Adde Muse seems paranoid about a Southern invasion!

Care to explain why the fighting has stopped?

As colonel Gadaffi said: " The Arab league agenda is set by Condoleeza Rice". The are of no particular importance, when it comes to Muslim matters. The very presence of American enovys shows who was behind the talk. I remember they also condemned the Hezbollah seizing of two Israeli soldiers. They have no sway or importance on Somali matters period!

Xiin, the solution being offered in Somalia today is simply: " we have Ethipians tanks surrender or else". This was the solution offered before the war to Shariff and is still being offered today. The Government, said on the first day that they would disarm the population of Muqdisho by force. They have still not being able to do this, infact there are more and more weapons flooding Muqdisho today. The government was and still is being carried away with the new power they have achieved thanks to Ethiopian tanks. This indoctrination of power was also the downfall of the Islamic Courts. Even with all the weaponry and tanks, the Ethiopians were fought to a standstill by people with little sophisticated weaponry. My prediction is that the Ethiopians will stay in Somali for some while.As a result of this the people who oppose them will increase day by day. Their actions over the last few days will make more people join the ranks of those that resist Ethiopian troops. Despite the bravado of some T.F.G members on here, the Ethiopain tanks are actually damaging the legitimacy of the Somali Government. Just as the indicriminate bombardment of people in Waziristan and Helamand, has swelled the ranks of the Taliban. The presence of Ethiopian troops will prolong and attract violence in Somalia. Of course, people say the solution is their withdrawl, but something tells me,they are not going anywhere soon!

It is good in way if Islam makes Somalis weak. I will explain this at a later date Inshallah"

Quote:My son’s only crime is that he’s a Muslim, an American Muslim,” Indeed, words speak volumes!

Xiin, the Ethiopains are not withdrawing and they are not going anytime soon. Sources say Uncle Sam has given them considerable time to stay. Moreover, it is also in their interests to stay inside Somalia, as long as there are people that oppose them and the T.F.G!

Baashi meesha wuxu so dhigay talo fican, lakin wax cusub maha oo boqol jeer oo hore ba arimaha laga hadlay. His proposals assume that all parties concerned are rational beings, who are willing to sacrifice their political/religious: assumptions,principles and beliefs. Of course in the real world such things are not as straighforward. Firstly, his suggestion that Sheikh Shariff should go to Cairo and "renounce" violence, whilst asking for more political involvement, is nothing short of a surrender in my books. He refused their proposals way before the war. When they came to him in Yemen, Djibouti and Khartoum. He declined to " renounce terrorism" and "violence", when the U.S came to him in Nairobi. Judging from his interview on Aljazeera, he still holds firmly to his original position, which is that: he and his supporters will resist Ethiopain troops as long as they are inside their own territory. To suggest that he will all of a sudden go back and renounce his previous positions thus claim to be a pacifist, is extremely wishful thinking. The political proposals proposed by Ethiopia to him and other like minded people have always being unacceptable. The EthiopianS simply want them to: Disarm and hand their weapons to the T.F.G, renounce the "extremists" or perhaps even hand them over and drop all suggestions of claims of the Somali inhabited region inside Ethiopia. One could say the third could be a political reality, after all, previous Somali political groups have dropped their claims over this region. However, the first and the second are unacceptable to them for obvious reasons. They cannot disarm and hand in their weapons over to the T.F.G, whilst their are thousands of Ethiopian troops inside Somali soil, whom are hunting their own members. The second is unacceptable because they see the "extremists" as freedom fighters and patriotic people, whom are defending their land. On the other hand the T.F.G is also unlikely to negotiate directly with the Islamists. Just as it is unacceptable to the Islamists that they hand over their weapons, whilst their are Ethiopian troops inside Somalia, it is equally unacceptable to the T.F.G that they( Islamists) demand the withdrawl of Ethiopian troops, because they believe they are within their legitimate rights to invite whoever they like to Somalia. Moreover, the T.F.G and Ethiopians cannot and do not want to be seen to be negotiating with the "Extremists". Ali Geedi, has already proclaimed that Sheikh Shariff and other members will be "treated" as criminals and brought before a Somali Court. Also, the Ethiopians and T.F.G want to be seen to be capturing extremists and terrorists on behalf of America.Otherwise, the money will run dry, they say fighting Alqaeda is big money these days. It is also highly unlikely that the more ideoligically orientated people such as Hassan Dahir Aweys and Ceyrow(Al Shabab) will not be "renouncing violence" and are intent on resisting the Ethiopian to the Death. Even if Sheikh Shariff renounces violence, what will it mean for his own men, who are being hunted? Thus there will not be a shortfall of like minded ideologists who are willing to carry out: ambushes, Suicide operations and other acts against the Ethiopian troops. We have already seen one man lunge his car packed with explosives into their army base. Again, it is highly unlikely that these groups will renounce violence, whilst there are Ethiopian troops on Somali soil, and vice versa for the Ethiopian troops, who have vowed to crush and chase the Extremists inside Somalia. I also hear that Unlce Sam has given them, the greenlight for them to continue doing so, for the time being. I will be back with more, sometime in the near future inshallah!

quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- “ They [Ethiopia] will help us with security,” said President Adde while addressing last week’s arrival of a fresh contingent of Ethiopian troops in Galkayo, Puntland’s southernmost city. The President said there were “active” members of the ousted Islamic Courts movement inside Puntland, and that the newly arrived Ethiopian troops will help the secure the region from such threats

Originally posted by Paragon: quote: Advice to Islamists...embrace the negotiated settlement proposal, use the IC gathering in cairo and issue statement via Sherif renouncing the use of violence as political tool to reach the party's political objectives. Demand more involvement of this group in the transition period. Declare UIC as a political party, name "moderates" as the exucative slate, and define its political platform and issue a document detailing how they think we should manage the country during the transition period as well as post-conlict era. They gotta undertsand how the game is played and played it like a pro. Khidca is allowed in times of war! Just do it! This is an advice? It is a call to surrender all hopes. It isn't advice it is a surrender call.......

All muslim criticise the i.c.u if they engaged in the actions you accuse them of. We reject the alleged looting of property and the oppression of minority clans. You on the other hand support an enemy of the Muslim people of Somalia( Meles Zenawi) thus you wholheartedly embrace his: support, armoury, killing and destruction of the Somalia people. You wholeheartedly praise,day and night the drills of the cross wearing fanatics from the Highlands. You wholeheartedly support and fail to condemn their: bombing of somali civilians, the rape of Somali woman and the mass secret detentions of Somali citizens. Therefore, take you Islam to Meles Zenawi and his cohorts, no offense!

Or maybe Puntland militia kidnapped the fifteen sailors in Iran/Iraq?

Soon Puntland will attack Iran!

Neutral maxay odhanayaan? Ala is dhiibo ama calan cad hala taago?

http://www.ealing.gov.uk/ealing3/export/sites/ealingweb/services/nonlgcl/around_ealing/_latest_around_ealing/around_ealing_april07.pdf pg13. inshallah

General Duke, you couldn't answer my questions, therefore, once again, you resorted to the usual get out clause: Abdiqasim, Indhacade, clan courts etc.........

I thought there was no ceasfire? As i said before: The slaves of Zenawi cannot break the ceasfire without his permission. They have been made to seem irrelevant on their own turf, by the Slaves of Bush. They can't start any war or launch offensives without Abysnians.

Ladies and Gentlemen, you heard it from the horse's mouth: Quote:well your silly ally Eritrea could not provide the fire power nor the political support our ally could. Thus spare us the crocodile tears..

Saxib, i am not losing the plot. I am perfectly fine, or at least i think i am. Let us for once get to the facts.The issue at hand here was the allegeed clanish remarks of Abdullahi Yusuf.Then, i asked youa bout his remarks about the Hijab/Jalibiib, which you seemed to be oblivious to.... As usual you tried your usual propoganda technique. Which you think can fool everybody on sol. The trick you believe is to cry: Secessionist, Clan Courts, Indhacade, Looted properties,Abdiqasim, Dahir Aweys, Fertile lands in the Shabelle. Your entire argument is based on nothing else and nothing more. Know, even in this thread you have once again said: quote:The Eritreans, Oromos and other desperate groups were backing the rebel anti-government fake religious movement that was occupiying large parts of the fertile south. Know, let me break it down for you!You play the moral highground on the above issue of occupied lands and tribal movements. However, you still manage to support an even worser regime, that is, the regime of Meles Zenawi. Therefore, the question is: How can you support one "thief" over another? If you were really a moral person, would you support the anti human regime of Meles Zenawi? As for them supporting the legitimate government of Somalia. I have told you many times on here. The Somali Parliament, People, nor the International community has never authorized any troops to Somalia.Infact the United Nations has called on all foreign forces to remove their armies. I dare you to find one law or authority that legitimized their invasion? The only people who claimed to do so are Abdullahi Yusuf and Geedi. If you know anything about politics, you will know governments and cabinet cannot simply allow other state armies into their country without the consent of their parliament. You know this perfectly well thus why you said there was no Ethiopian troops on this very forum. You even claimed you would never support the Ethiopian invasion on sol. If you now any legitimate authority apart from the Ethiopian parliament authorizing Ethiopian troops in Somali, please let me know! Here is what you said: quote: The Eritreans, Oromos and other desperate groups were backing the rebel anti-government fake religious movement that was occupiying large parts of the fertile south. You see this is were the contradiction sets in. On the one hand you shamefully use alleged occupation of Shabelle as propoganda. On the other, you support an entity that occupied Somali territory and subjected them to the worst human rights possible, as evidence by the International aid agencies. The Question is: Why do support the Tribal Tigray regime in invading occupying Somali Galbeed and know Southern Somalia? But complain about the occupation of Somali fertile lands and clan dominating? Are you saying Ethiopia is allowed to abuse Somali citizens in Somali Galbeed and know Somalia, just Abdullahi Yusuf invited them? Or are you saying you will support any injustice as long as it is not commited by Someone in Hargeysa or South Muqdisho?Here are a few quotes about the Tribal Tigray regime in Ethiopia: Quote:Quote:Meanwhile, there was the pressing issue of 1.3 million Ethiopians living in the Somali region who had somehow gone missing from official figures. Someone had “forgotten” to include them in estimates of the hungry. After a long conversation with a colleague at the UN Office for Co-ordination of Humanitarian Affairs (UNOCHA), the truth dawned on me that the majority of members of the Government belonged to the Tigray ethnic group and that only certain tribal groups actually mattered to them. It became even harder to do my job as I uncovered some grim facts,.... Tell us how a tribal dominate regime in Adiss Ababa, which denies food to starving Somali people and subjects them to awful humans rights abuses can find peace in Somalia?Tell us how a regime which tortures it's own citizens can bring peace and harmony to Somalia? Answer without resorting to the following words: Seccecionist, Clan Courts, Indhacade, Looted properties,Abdiqasim, Dahir Aweys, Fertile lands in the Shabelle.......

Where are the saints who constantly complain clans looting properties in Somalia? Where are those that constantly complain about clans and tribes setting up monopolies on goverments/interest groups?

Was it not these men who occupied fellow Somali clans territories looting them and taxing them to enrich the sub-clan? Was it not your Abysnian masters, who looted and occupied the Somali region for the past 16 years under Meles Zenawi?

What about the audio clip of the little outburst at the hijab/jalabiib is that fake too?

The slaves of Zenawi cannot break the ceasfire without his permission. They have been made to seem irrelevant on their own turf, by the Slaves of Bush. They can't start any war or launch offensives without Abysnians. The slaves of Zenawi cannot break the ceasfire without his permission. They have been made to seem irrelevant on their own turf, by the Slaves of Bush. They can't start any war or launch offensives without Abysnians.

Quote:Meanwhile, there was the pressing issue of 1.3 million Ethiopians living in the Somali region who had somehow gone missing from official figures. Someone had “forgotten” to include them in estimates of the hungry. After a long conversation with a colleague at the UN Office for Co-ordination of Humanitarian Affairs (UNOCHA), the truth dawned on me that the majority of members of the Government belonged to the Tigray ethnic group and that only certain tribal groups actually mattered to them. It became even harder to do my job as I uncovered some grim facts,.... http://www.bjr.org.uk/data/2006/no1_mutch.htm