You didn't answer my question but still ^^^Quote:The Ethiopians will stay untill the job is done. How long do you expect that to take? Quote:As for this straw keep clutching fake nationalisam/religious fevour will get none of you any where. Emotional rhetoric. Anyway who is none of you? Quote:Xasan Dahir is the one making contradictory claims on a weekly basis. Which means you have something in common with him, no?

The longer the EthiopianS stay, who will harm more Dahir Aweys or the T.F.G?

@Khalaf bro, I don't think anybody advocates for more war and chaos in Somalia. The Prophet (saw) was always open to negotiation and seeking peaceful means to stop bloodshed. The clasic examples are with treaty of Hudaybiyah and the peaceful takeover of Mecca.But didn't the Prophet and his companions pledge to defend the companion that went to negotiate with the Quraish, because they thought the Quraish had harmed him?Allah swt praised in the Quran, when the Muslim made the pledge of the tree. This is how Islam is and should be. On the one hand the Prophet saw and companions were open to negotiations and dialogue. On the other hand they were ready to defend and avenge to the death if their fellow Muslim companion had been harmed. I supported the T.F.G in their initial creation. Moreover, I am not a hypocrite, I live safely in the secular west. Therefore, I wouldn't mind a secular government in Somalia based loosely on Islamic guidlines, as the Somali nation is all Muslim. Somalis groups that oppose Ethiopian presence in Somalia have always been open to negotiation and dialogue. Even the O.N.L.F have always demanded that Zenawi meet them outside of Ethiopia in a neutral country to negotiate a settlement. But he sends in his entire army which accomplishes nothing. There are negotiations and there is what is called surrendeting. Ironically the word Muslim can also mean surrender. Thus there are some things that Muslims can't and aren't allowed to surrender, that is: 1. The violation of their lands 2. Their Deen 3. Ther live, property and wealth of their fellow Muslim brothers and sisters. Ethiopia came to Somalia and demanded( as i have been told) that: 1. I.C.U except Ethiopian troops in Somalia 2.Give up their claims and solidarity with their brothers and sisters in Somali Galbeed 3.Stop ruling by the Quran and Sunnah The other entites you say are at peace have probably excepted all of those and more including the tranportation of Somali Ulema to Adiss Jails. Given these things and other gross crimes that have been commited by the Ethiopians, it is natural that some will resist them. So it is not a matter of seeking more war in Somalia. Rather people excercising their Islamic, Secular and Nationalistic rights when they are under threat. However, I believe that the T.F.G still has a chance, if they set a clear mandate for the withdrawl of foriegn troops and give amnesty to all those that are being hunted down. The current path that they are setting will only create more people that are willing to pick up guns against them. p.s i don't think any Arab troops are on their way to Somalia.

Originally posted by Naxar Nugaaleed: woow, woow! these nationalist did a good job! Where u there?

At least you guys made it on Aljazeera everyday this week and you got Mohamed Adow to visit yall!

Ngonge, I don't think Somalis are that devout or religious. As Baashi said we will claim to be, but we will break every rule in the book.

Quote:I had Arabs and Pakistanis with beards So know we are Pakistani slaves too?lol @Peacenow let me know your birthday man. I am gonna send you a present. Maybe a Khamees with a Cigaal and some nice dates from Arabia?

Do Somalis claim Harar as theirs?

Khalaf, Akhi I have always said that I.C.U made mistakes and I don't agree with everything they did. Nor do i belief they were perfect angel like people. You say Somailand an Puntland peaceful. I say why is Somali Galbeed not peaceful? Are the Tigrays that occupied Somali any different to the ones that occupied Somali Galbeed? What does the fact that Palestine is peaceful as opposed to Sacudiya, Masar o Kuwait mean to us? Should we take this as a good thing? I posted this a while back and no one replied to it. Akhi, listen to it( if you haven't) and tell me this Sheikh isn't struggling in the noble path of Allah swt? http://www.addacwah.com/dhacdooyinka/shbile.ram

Can we take the "World Court" to Court?

amiin

The amount of internet usage and communication has almost tripled in Iraq since Iraq. Sorry to spoil the fun.

Subxanallah all the way to Liberia when they can go to Kenya or Ethiopia.

And the link doesn't work.

Peacenow, Somaliland are Arabs see that sign on their flag?

Saxiib, prove evidence for your claims other than Somali websites. They are well know to exaggerate stories.This is what you posted on the the other thread. Do you believe this rubbish? Quote:Gudoomiyaha degmada guriceel wuxuu sheegay in xubno sar sare oo ka mid ah maxkamadihii lawiiqay awoodooda in ay xiriir laleeyihiin maamulka ka jira hargeysa ee Somaliland isagoo ku eedeeyey maamulkaasi in taakulo dhaqaale siiyo kooxaha uu ku tilmaamay argagixisada caalamigaa. Also i don't belong or have any links with any political groups in Somalia. So I don't know why you are saying "you". Even it is true I would condemn it no matter who commited it. But as i said before, I didn't see you show any concern for the Somali Childen who were sent terro prisons in Kenya and Ethiopia

25. And fear tumult or oppression, which affecteth not in particular (only) those of you who do wrong: and know that Allah is strict in punishment. 26. Call to mind when ye were a small (band), despised through the land, and afraid that men might despoil and kidnap you; But He provided a safe asylum for you, strengthened you with His aid, and gave you Good things for sustenance: that ye might be grateful. 27. O ye that believe! betray not the trust of Allah and the Messenger, nor misappropriate knowingly things entrusted to you. 28. And know ye that your possessions and your progeny are but a trial; and that it is Allah with Whom lies your highest reward. 29. O ye who believe! if ye fear Allah, He will grant you a criterion (to judge between right and wrong), remove from you (all) evil (that may afflict) you, and forgive you: for Allah is the Lord of grace unbounded. 30. Remember how the Unbelievers plotted against thee, to keep thee in bonds, or slay thee, or get thee out (of thy home). They plot and plan, and Allah too plans; but the best of planners is Allah. 31. When Our Signs are rehearsed to them, they say: "We have heard this (before): if we wished, we could say (words) like these: these are nothing but tales of the ancients." 32. Remember how they said: "O Allah if this is indeed the Truth from Thee, rain down on us a shower of stones form the sky, or send us a grievous penalty." 33. But Allah was not going to send them a penalty whilst thou wast amongst them; nor was He going to send it whilst they could ask for pardon. 34. But what plea have they that Allah should not punish them, when they keep out (men) from the sacred Mosque - and they are not its guardians? No men can be its guardians except the righteous; but most of them do not understand. 35. Their prayer at the House (of Allah. is nothing but whistling and clapping of hands: (Its only answer can be), "Taste ye the penalty because ye blasphemed." 36. The Unbelievers spend their wealth to hinder (man) from the path of Allah, and so will they continue to spend; but in the end they will have (only) regrets and sighs; at length they will be overcome: and the Unbelievers will be gathered together to Hell;- 37. In order that Allah may separate the impure from the pure, put the impure, one on another, heap them together, and cast them into Hell. They will be the ones to have lost. 38. Say to the Unbelievers, if (now) they desist (from Unbelief), their past would be forgiven them; but if they persist, the punishment of those before them is already (a matter of warning for them). 39. And fight them on until there is no more tumult or oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in Allah altogether and everywhere; but if they cease, verily Allah doth see all that they do. 40. If they refuse, be sure that Allah is your Protector - the best to protect and the best to help. 41. And know that out of all the booty that ye may acquire (in war), a fifth share is assigned to Allah,- and to the Messenger, and to near relatives, orphans, the needy, and the wayfarer,- if ye do believe in Allah and in the revelation We sent down to Our servant on the Day of Testing,- the Day of the meeting of the two forces. For Allah hath power over all things. 42. Remember ye were on the hither side of the valley, and they on the farther side, and the caravan on lower ground than ye. Even if ye had made a mutual appointment to meet, ye would certainly have failed in the appointment: But (thus ye met), that Allah might accomplish a matter already enacted; that those who died might die after a clear Sign (had been given), and those who lived might live after a Clear Sign (had been given). And verily Allah is He Who heareth and knoweth (all things). 43. Remember in thy dream Allah showed them to thee as few: if He had shown them to thee as many, ye would surely have been discouraged, and ye would surely have disputed in (your) decision; but Allah saved (you): for He knoweth well the (secrets) of (all) hearts. 44. And remember when ye met, He showed them to you as few in your eyes, and He made you appear as contemptible in their eyes: that Allah might accomplish a matter already enacted. For to Allah do all questions go back (for decision). 45. O ye who believe! When ye meet a force, be firm, and call Allah in remembrance much (and often); that ye may prosper: 46. And obey Allah and His Messenger. and fall into no disputes, lest ye lose heart and your power depart; and be patient and persevering: For Allah is with those who patiently persevere: 47. And be not like those who started from their homes insolently and to be seen of men, and to hinder (men) from the path of Allah. For Allah compasseth round about all that they do. 48. Remember Satan made their (sinful) acts seem alluring to them, and said: "No one among men can overcome you this day, while I am near to you": But when the two forces came in sight of each other, he turned on his heels, and said: "Lo! I am clear of you; lo! I see what ye see not; Lo! I fear Allah. for Allah is strict in punishment." 49. Lo! the hypocrites say, and those in whose hearts is a disease: "These people,- their religion has misled them." But if any trust in Allah, behold! Allah is Exalted in might, Wise. 50. If thou couldst see, when the angels take the souls of the Unbelievers (at death), (How) they smite their faces and their backs, (saying): "Taste the penalty of the blazing Fire- 51. "Because of (the deeds) which your (own) hands sent forth; for Allah is never unjust to His servants: 52. "(Deeds) after the manner of the people of Pharaoh and of those before them: They rejected the Signs of Allah, and Allah punished them for their crimes: for Allah is Strong, and Strict in punishment: 53. "Because Allah will never change the grace which He hath bestowed on a people until they change what is in their (own) souls: and verily Allah is He Who heareth and knoweth (all things)." 54. (Deeds) after the manner of the people of Pharaoh and those before them": They treated as false the Signs of their Lord: so We destroyed them for their crimes, and We drowned the people of Pharaoh: for they were all oppressors and wrong- doers. 55. For the worst of beasts in the sight of Allah are those who reject Him: They will not believe. 56. They are those with whom thou didst make a covenant, but they break their covenant every time, and they have not the fear (of Allah.. 57. If ye gain the mastery over them in war, disperse, with them, those who follow them, that they may remember. 58. If thou fearest treachery from any group, throw back (their covenant) to them, (so as to be) on equal terms: for Allah loveth not the treacherous.

Caruurti Somaliyeed xabsiyada Ethiopia baa lo guray. Xita gabadh yar oo afar jir ah baa lagu xidhay Kenya. Haadi aad dhab sheegaysaan taa wax ka sheega! Dumarka uurka le oo la xidh xihday cunto la'an xabasiya Muqdisho iyo Adiss Ababa bal wax ka sheega.

Quote:Gudoomiyaha degmada guriceel wuxuu sheegay in xubno sar sare oo ka mid ah maxkamadihii lawiiqay awoodooda in ay xiriir laleeyihiin maamulka ka jira hargeysa ee Somaliland isagoo ku eedeeyey maamulkaasi in taakulo dhaqaale siiyo kooxaha uu ku tilmaamay argagixisada caalamigaa. lol Quote:Infact a whole new attack is perhaps planned for Galgaduud region as the last hideouts of the insurgents and Adan Ayrow's strong hold... Stiff measured are taken by the newly appointed Governor of Mogadishu, curbing and taking anything suspiciuos iyo waliba in laxirxiro meeshi wax kadhacaad dadka dariska la ah oo dhan as their responsibility to report before hand... This will not hurt the resistance infact it will do more damage to the image of the Ethiopian Army and their allies.

Quote:Ethiopia, and it could as well be said that TFG backed Ethiopia in somalia is not fighting Islam or Muslims but after a political group hence why all areas of Somalia are “peaceful” and the Muslims, their masjids, their salat is not under threat nor are they under oppression can freely practice their deen. Do u think if the appointed TFG government, no matter how corrupt it is ect had been allowed to rule from the beginning, would what transpired in Somalia (bombings, killings of civilians, fitnah) taken place? Since the ICU have/had no awood to rule with shariah in Somalia considering today’s reality not only world but inside somalia, do u think as the saying goes they awakened the fitnah and have a fault in what went down in Somalia? Do you actually believe these things yourself or are you hypothetically speaking. In other words do you believe that Ethiopia was only after a political organisation and nothing to do with Islam. Also that the I.C.U were wrong in opposing them thus they created or contributed to a fitna.

http://www.islamonline.net/servlet/Satellite?c=Article_C&cid=1178724252276&pagename=Zone-English-News/NWELayout

The funny thing is that he called you a seccionist and I a "hardcore fundementalist, whilst conveniently labeling himself a "nationalist". Before i dwelge into my ideological stance on the situation in Somalia. I ask our good friend Mr Emperor how I am a "hardcore Islamic fundementalist" and also the definition of what is a "hardcore" fundamentalist. Lastly, i challenge Mr Emperor to explain how is more or i am less of a Somali nationalist than him. @Stealth, if opposing the illegal violation of my land, people and religion makes me a hardcore fundamentalist than Alxamdulilah I am proud to be one.

I was thinking who is this guy? So i typed up his name on Google. And yes that brother from Iqra t.v, his lectures on the seerah of the prophet are beautiful. I think he has the charisma to speak to the heart of the ordinary person. Rather than the lecture type Sheikhs, which do serve a purpose.I remember one time he said: " Abdullah Masuad had skinny legs like some of our Somali brothers"lol

I, you and Geeljire represent three forms of Somali struggle, a nationalist, a seccessionist and an Islamisit/hardcore fundamentalist And who is the "hardcore Islamist fundmentalist"?