Manshallah, the mother of Imam Tahawi was one of the major ulema of the Shafaci Madhab I believe? His book(Tahawi) is very good and easy to understand.

quote:The weekly show, "Tomorrow's Pioneers," had attracted worldwide attention because the character urged Palestinian children to fight Israel. But the young kids who are shot dead whilst playing or simply being armed with rocks don't get "worldwide" attention. Surely if the world accepts the treatment of these children, whom live in a warzone. Then they shouldn't be surprised the day these children arm themselves?

Subxanallah, I hope she is well, I didn't any Somalis were caught up. I don't know and can't imgane what will happen if another attack/s happen in U.K.

I say lets concentrate on making a unitary government in Somalia, kuwa kale iska daya. Gadafi lol, yesterday it was "Islamic state", then "Pan Arab" state and know he has become a Pan Africanist.

He might have joined the "insurgents" in Muqdisho.....

I remember some members of our society were saying that this was a clanish witchunt against the man. I don't whether he is guilty or innoncent. But I hope those people of his clan/family who are or may attempt to help him slip away know that they will be punished....

Haile Sellassie, the ageless personification of imperial dignity, triumphantly returned to Ethiopia from exile. However, events in the ****** took on another dimensions. Haile Sellassie began a relentless campaign for the consolidation of personal power and expansion of the Ethiopian State. He proclaimed, "I have come to restore the independence of my country including Eritrea and Southern Somalia whose people will henceforth dwell under the shade of the Ethiopian flag."5 In a later memorandum to the United Nations, his government proclaimed that prior to the race of the European powers to divide up the Continent of Africa, Ethiopia included an extensive coast line along the Red Sea and Indian Ocean.6 The British, having betrayed the Somalis for reasons of enhancing power, wealth, and influence, had yet another precedent for doing it again. They immediately recognized the throne of Haile Sellassie. In a statement on fragmentation of Somalia nation to the House of Commons in early 1941 Anthony Eden, a mediator on Ethiopia-Somalia problem, had the following to say: "His Majesty Government would welcome the reappearance of an Ethiopian State and recognize the claim of Emperor Haile Sallassie to the throne... His Majesty's Government reaffirm that they have themselves no territorial in Abyssinia (Ethiopia). "7 During 1942, the Emperor continued the fight to restore full sovereighty of Ethiopia in pursance to regain the pre-war boundary between Ethiopia and the British Protectorate. An agreement was then approved granting the British temporary administrative authority in the ****** Region. The Emperor pressed on with his ambitions to regain total control over the region. Finally in 1948, the British withdraw but retaining residual rights of supervision over Somali clans pasturing in the region. This marked the ****** Region as part of Ethiopia. Somalia nationalism raced unsucessfully to catch up with the irretrievable flow of events. Its leading institution, the Somalia Youth Club (SYC) was formed in Mogadishu (Somalia's capital) with thirteen members, including several prominent religious leaders representing all of the main clan groups. They were united by a desire to transcend clan rivalries and to forge a political nation which would embodied the Islamic values. Events moved more erratically in the British Somalialand in 1955 as the SYC grew stronger in their demands over the right of trans- border grazing lands in the ****** region. Conflict evolved around the issue of who should be regarded as an Ethiopian subject in the region. Somalis in the protectorate had apparently clung to the hope of ultimate diplomatic action to recreate a unified Somalia or at least to strengthen the safeguards of cross border migration. Since there were no positive response from the British, the Somalis immediately staged mass demonstrations throughout the protectorate demanding recovery of the lost land, and for the first time, demanded the right to become independent. The failure by the British to resolve the transborder grazing lands doomed their prestige and hence the authority of protectorate administration. The unequivocal loss of the grazing lands destroyed the three pillars of colonial bluff: it created an issue transcending clan lines, it directly affected the lives of individual Somalis, and it revealed the emptiness of the protector's promises.9 The British were left with two options, either fight or leave. In Kenya, they had fought for awhile Somalia as being poor as the day they had arrived. Therefore, they decided to leave. On 26 June 1960, the British Somalialand became an independent state. Four days later, the Italian Somalialand achieved its independent, and the two were united by a hastly concluded treaty. The accords established a unitary republic with northern and southern regions. On the flag of the new state there was a five pointed star. The British had organized and trained the leaders of the Somalia SYC to realize the dream of greater Somalia. Consequently, generation of Somalis are being borne with the conception of greater Somalia claiming parts of Ethiopia, Kenya, and Djibouti. The Republic of Somalia with muit-party politics had a potential to lure the Western influence. However, her obsession with greater Somalia proved an obstacle considering her neighboring countries were also subjects of Western influence. Failing to lure a consolidated support from the West, especially its former colonial masters. Somalia condemned Great Britain for not handing over to her the Northern Frontier Region of Kenya. In March 1962, she broke off diplomatic relationship with Britain. It must be remembered that British first floated and nurtured the idea of "Greater Somalia". The relationship even got worse when Prime Minister Mohammed Ibrahim Egal made a public statement to the effect that "Reclaiming our land and their people..." was in fact in accordance with Somali proverb of "Stand with one leg ready for war and the other ready for peace."10 It was Somali's leg of war that eventually become a point of discord between Somalia and the West. Early in 1961, after failing to obtain military aid to staff its 20,000 man Army, Somalia turned to the East. http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/library/report/1986/KCA.htm

http://www.addacwah.com/Muxadaro/Sh%20Cabdiraxman%20Abyad/2.ram Part 2

When the Portuguesse became powerful after the fall of Andulasia, they attacked(ransacked) Somalis and other coastal Muslims around Barawe, Mombassa and Zeilac?, Muqdisho? I believe?

Zenawi would probably do the same thing again and again. It's called damage limitation and I would probably do the same, if i was him.........

Originally posted by Baashi: Anyone? If Somalis make up with each other and reach an understanding on the issues of interest where would that leave Tigre forces? What makes you think that Somali warlords who were armed, funded and brought back into power(saved) by the Ethiopia regime will reach any sort of understanding without their consent?

http://www.naqshbandi.org/ottomans/wahhabi/saud.jpg Are these enemies of black people too?

http://www.addacwah.com/Muxadaro/Sh%20Cabdiraxman%20Abyad/1.ram part 1

When will he order the people?

Originally posted by Gordon Gekko: [QB] Another emotional diatribe But if he said that the Ethiopians were liberators and the T.F.G the only hope Somalia, it wouldn't be "emotional diatribe, would it? Quote:riding on the wave of occupation showcasting a utopian patriotism that has been absent for more than a decade. Who is to say that the masse can't awaken and revive this "utopian" patriotism now? Quote:I had a hard time finding at the very least a viable action plan programme that the author would like to put in place after having removed the TFG and the Ethiopians. How then go forward? If the Ethiopians and T.F.G are removed, then it is upto to the Somali people to do decide their future. Quote:I also found it particularly amusing when the author drifted into the case of loyalty, pulling up the accusatorial 'national traitor card', yet another illusion of the born-again patriot who suddenly turned blind to the fact that somalis defected from their national unity and government to respective clan loyalties years ago. Somalis didn't defect from national unity. The majority of the Somali people worldwide are united and against the Ethiopian aggression. Secondly, the suffering in Somalia was caused by Ethiopian backed warlords and clan elders, who attempted to turn Somali clans against one another.This was evidenced by the Ethiopian Abassador's(U.K) declaration that Ethiopia saved Somalia from a brutal subclan. The illusion is that you believe that the very same men who ruined Somalia have now become national saviors. Lastly, again, there is no reason why SomaliS can't revive their nationalism and unity, in the face of an occupation. Quote:How the author is unable to include this in his work is yet another mystery, seeing the obvious difficulties to superimpose transcending political structures that the prolonged matter has caused. The prolonged matter= Ethiopian backed warlords whom turned Somalia into a failed state for 17 years. The matter is being further prolonged as these warlords are occupying Somalia along with Ethiopian warlords. Thus the cure for Somali is to rid her off Ethiopian interference and brutal clan warlords........

http://www.deepikaglobal.com/ENG4_sub.asp?ccode=ENG4&newscode=1833 Kenya police kill suspected Islamist at Somali border GARISSA, Kenya, June 19 (Reuters) Kenyan security forces killed a man on the border with Somalia today where two Kenyan policemen believed to have been kidnapped by Islamist fighters were found murdered, witnesses said. Regional police commander Anthony Kibuchi confirmed there had been a shootout between Kenyan police and Somali militia at the border town of Bella Hawa. ''There was contact this morning between our officers and Somali militia. They shot at our officers and our officers had to reply,'' Kibuchi told Reuters. However, he did not confirm a man had been killed, saying he was on his way to the scene. Witnesses said police shot the 20-year-old man after he defied orders to stop, as he was crossing into Somalia with a donkey cart laden with food and household items. ''Armed relatives of the deceased rushed to the scene and exchanged gunfire with Kenyan forces for 15 minutes. Two people were wounded,'' resident Hassan Arab said. The bodies of the two Kenyan policemen were found on Sunday. The local authorities believe they had been kidnapped by Islamist fighters along the remote frontier, where tensions are running high over the arrest of scores of suspected Somali Islamists trying to enter Kenya after they were routed from Mogadishu in January by allied Somali-Ethiopian troops. Leaders of Somalia's former Islamist movement see Kenya as an enemy after it detained members trying to cross the border, sending scores into the custody of the Somali interim government and its Ethiopian allies.

I think the somewhat blasphemous attack in the title of the thread and the naming of sol individuals was uneccesary. Lakin Kashafa waa nin dagaal ku jira, so what can we do?

Firstly, these aren't isolated incidents, they have documented by international humanitarian agencies for a long time. Secondly these are not the only areas mass humans rights abuses have occured, take this for example: quote:Human Rights Watch issued a report in 2005 that documented a rampage by government troops against members of the Anuak, a minority tribe in western Ethiopia, in which soldiers ransacked homes, beat villagers to death with iron bars and in one case, according to a witness, tied up a prisoner and ran over him with a military truck.” Anyway, my challenge to you is to carry out a: quote:a comprehensible debate on the political background of the incident. the floor is yours....

I suppose this T.V station was a threat to the government, a bit similar to shabelle radio, hornafrique and co?

Originally posted by Gordon Gekko: As NGONGE and many others in this thread have mentioned, this thread lacks the prerequisites for a fruitful and comprehensive debate between the different political opponents of SOL. I also sense alot of oneliner 'conspiracy-oriented' comments revealing the posters obvious temptation to resort to amateurish, dead-end, fadhi-ku-dirir discussions. Not my cup of shaax really. The rape of Somali women and the terrorism commited against Somali women, children and elders doesn't need a " fruitful" and comprehensive debate between the "different" political" opponents of Sol. Either you are against this and your are shocked, hurt and saddened by those allegeations, which aren't new. Or you you can describe these things as meer conspiracies or label them as out of " Somali border" issues as Mr Duke asserts. This is probably because it contradicts the argument made by the Ethiopian supporters that the Ethiopian regime is a friend of the Somali people. Simply because the soldier who terrorises Somalis in Ocadenia will not become a saint once he is sent to Muqdisho to quote-unqoute "Liberate" Somalia!

lol, Ethiopia and the situation in Somalia can't be comparable to Palestine. Firstly, there is no point Palestinians getting a state when they are occupied. Secondly, Ethiopia is a failing regime run a Tigray elite. They hardly country several parts of their country, where there are insurgencies in Afar, Somali territory and Oromia. Zenawi sent his entire army against Somali nomads and falied uttrely sparking many losses and giving more support to the O.N.L.F movements. Thus they are in a desperate state, whereby they are trying to set up friendly regimes in Somalia, in order to put the fire that they have sparked, that is, Somalis. I believe that they are looking for a way out of Somalia and will probably in the future negotiate with the O.N.L.F, otherwise their false empire will crumble. So be careful about portraying these third world them as a colonial state. But this will not happen if Somalis continue their petty squables about little towns and kursis...

The "Sheikh trade" continues.

Originally posted by Jacaylbaro: Ilaahay caraba ha naxariisto ,,,,,,,,, kuwaasi dadkoodii bay iibsadeen maxaynu kuwan ula yaabaynaaba Carabti rag geesiyal ah baa usoo baxay......So the Zio-cons and Arab Zionist leaders are scrambling all over the place, to put out the very flames they created themselves....

good for him!

Originally posted by Castro: quote:Originally posted by N/AA: Kashafa, the ICU is the cause of Ethiopia occupying Somalia. Ethiopia already occupied(indirectly) Somalia for the last sixteen years through the use of Warlords.......But Alxamdulilah their backs have been broken by the Somali people and those that support them will inshallahu follow their path....