The British boy will find it hard to beat the "Africans".

Everone knows that there wont wont be any kind of Islamic state in Somalia anytime soon. So the only solution is to embrace a democratic nation based onloose Islamic principles. Jacalybro, Somaliland claims to be a democracy whilst also claiming to make any law that doesnt comply with Islamic shariah invalid, is that also contradictory?

Duke, Ethiopian troops crossed the Somali border very soon after the defeat of the warlords. I remember at this time that the T.F.G actually dismissed some warlords from the government and Kenya also blocked their entry. Also Abdullahi Yusuf himself criticised the U.S for using Somali warlords to combat so called extremism. Your claim that there was no Ethiopian troops at this time holds no weight, as many reliable Somali eye witnesses in many villages saw large movements of Ethiopian troops soon after their alliance of warlords were defeated. People on this very forum witnessed this movement of convoys in June-July last year. The T.F.G could have done the honourable thing of not taking sides against the I.C.U, Ethiopians and Somali warlords. However, in June-July of last year a plan was made from Adiss Ababa jointly by America and Ethiopia to fight the I.C.U. See the channel 4 documents obtained. Thus your man was trying to cover up the presence of Ethiopian troops by claiming such a ridicolous excuse as donated uniforms. The Ethiopians and America made a clever and strategic move by placing Ethiopian troops at Badioa. So it would look like the I.C.U was trying to oust the government of Somalia. Sadly, the I.C.U fell for this trap by being lured to Badioa like a magnet, which was the intended purpose in the first place. As for Somalis never fighting Tigrays in their history. I dont have a problem with their ethnic groups a such. Ahmad Najashi even belonged to this group. During the time of Imam Ahmed Gurey both Tigrays and Amharas fought as Christians against his muslims forces which included Somalis. Secondly, despite their own quarells they have a had a policy of embarking on conquests and lootings of other ethnic groups especially Muslims. Lastly, I am sure you are well aware of what Tigray commanders have been carrying out in the Ocaden region in the last 16 years since Zenawi came to power. Till this day they are witholding food aid in that region and carrying out mass human rights abuses. Now you are telling us the same boys are going to bring peace and stability to the republic of Somalia. I say the history books are against you and in time you will be sensationally proved wrong, good night.........

Mr Emperor, this thread wasnøt about the personal opinions of Mr Duke or any others. Rathers to expose the fact the T.F.G lied to the Somali people. They had claimed that there was no Ethiopian troops on Somali soil. Mr Duke regurgitated thos views by claiming that there was no presence of Ethiopian troops on Somali soil.Here is a quote from this very thread. quote.Mohammed Abdi Hayir, minister of information for the transitional government, said, †œThere are absolutely no Ethiopian troops in Somalia.†He said the confusion came from the fact that Ethiopia had provided 4,000 uniforms to Somali forces guarding the fledging government. Perhaps those 4000 donated uniforms came equiped with the ability to also turn those that wear it into Ethiopians? Or perhaps Mr Abdi Hayir was lying, which one is it? Mr Duke, I dont belong to any political group in Somalia. Infact I supported the T.F.G as the legtimate government when it was created and wished them the best of success. However, any support I had for them disappeared when they allowed a whole bunch of warlords and Somali killers, Tigreys, to make their base in Somalia. Sadly the history books shall judge them by this awful act of treachery and betryal of 500 years of history......

http://observer.guardian.co.uk/focus/story/0,,2137115,00.html

http://www.egyptsearch.com/forums/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=8;t=005389

http://www.quranicstudies.com/viewbook24.html Among the signs of wretchedness of the servant is the hardness of the heart, dryness of his eyes, wideness of his hopes, his niggardliness with regard to what he possesses, giving little importance to the commandments and prohibitions and his dissatisfaction when tribulations strike. When you see someone of this description, be aware that he is wretched. The person with a hard heart does not show mercy toward anyone and his eyes never turn moist with tears in times of happiness or in times of sadness, for the dryness of his eyes is due to the hardness of his heart. How could his heart not be hard when it is filled with hopes, acts of disobedience, sins, wide expectations, desire to obtain things which are not destined to be his, envy toward their owners and niggardliness with regard to the obligatory alms? Additionally, he does not pay the dues of expiations, does not fulfill his vows, does not pay attention to the needs of his relatives, does not settle his debts despite his ability to do so and even tries to delay them in the hope of avoiding payment altogether and hates to give anything by way of charity or in payment of what must be paid. All these and the like are signs of wretchedness. The Invincible One said: “Has not the time yet come for the hearts of those who believe to submit with humility to the remembrance of Allah and to the truth which has been revealed?“ [from 57.16].

Originally posted by Abwaan: So what? Ethiopia invaded Somalia why don't they condemn that? Ethiopia was accused of using chemical weapons,something which Mr Duke scorned at when it was suggested during the fighting. quoteMinneapolis (kilil5)--In a hotly constested report by both Ethiopia and Eritrea, the United Nations alleges that Ethiopian forces used a controversial and banned chemical white Phosphorus on insurgents during the fight for Mogadishu. According the the United Nations report,the Ethiopian military used white phosphorous bombs to kill 15 insurgents and 35 civilians in Mogadishu in April. Eye witnesses and mogadishu residents said the bombs melted the insurgent fighters and civilians cought in the cross-fire at the point of impact and those exposed to the phosphorus in immediate surroundings. Weapon grade phosphorus if it comes into contact with the skin melts humans, including their bones. This is because,phosphorus is a very reactive chemical agents, has multiple bonds and reacts with oxygen from human cells. Humans body consists 70-90% of water, and water in our bodies are made of two elements of hydrogen and one element of oxygen. Phosphorus reacts with this oxygen, literally melting our bodies if we are exposed to it. This is why it is a banned chemical agent in wars but governments including the United States, and Israel continue to use them. The UN has accused the United States and Israel of using Phosphorus in Iraq and Lebanon by Israel last summer. The Ethiopian government denied this and called the accusation “baseless,”. However,United Nation monitors provided bomb scene photographs and evidence which showed melted bodies of insurgents and civilians. The UN report also provides Soil samples and tests conducted at the site of bomb impacts which yielded abnormal amounts of phosphorus, as high as 117 times the amount of normal phosphorus in a normal Soil. The report also detailed for the first time to the media the casualties of Ethiopian troops sustained from one of the many suicide missions targeting Ethiopian troops during the hight of the insurgency in Mogadishu. Although the media reported the suicide attack at the time, no one knew the casualty figures sustained by Ethiopian troops. The government usually doesn't report to the media casualties inflicted on Ethiopian troops. The report says that 63 Ethiopian soldiers were killed and more than 50 wounded,a deadly suicide mission, making it one of the deadliest suicides in Somalia but one that had been under-reported and down played at the time. Had it been reported at the time, it would have caused a significant embarrassment to the Ethiopian Armed forces, Ethiopian mission to Somalia and probably would have caused a public outcry.

He first acquainted him with his baseness and said, "Was he not a sperm-drop extracted? Then he was a blood-clot. Then He mentioned His favour and said, "He created and fashioned and made a pair from it, male and female," in order to perpetuate his existence by reproduction as his existence was acquired in the beginning by original formation. When you begin in this manner and your states are like this, how can you have arrogance, pride, glory, and conceit? Properly speaking, man is the lowest of the low and the weakest of the weak. Indeed, even if He had perfecteed him, delegated his command to him and made his existence go on by his own choice, he would still dare to be insolent and would forget his beginning and his end. However, during your existence, He has given illnesses power over you, whether you like it or not, and whether you are content or enraged. You become hungry and thirsty without being able to do anything about it. You do not possess any power to bring either harm or benefit. You want to know something but you remain ignorant of it. You want to remember something and yet you forget it. You want to not forget something and yet you do forget it. You want to direct your heart to what concerns it and yet you are caught up in the valleys of whispersings and thoughts. You own neither your heart nor your self. You desire something while your destruction may be in it, and you detest something while your life may be in it. You find some foods delicious when they destroy and kill you, and you find remedies repugnant when they help you and save you. You are not safe for a moment, day or night. Your sight, knowledge, and power may be stripped away, your limbs may become semi-paralysed, your intellect may be stolen away, your ruh may be snatched away, and all that you love in this world may be taken from you. You are hard-pressed, abased. If you are left alone, you go on. If you are snatched away, you are annihilated. A mere slave. A chattel. You have no power over yourself or anyone else. What can be more abased? If you recognise yourself, how can you think yourself worthy of pride? If it were not for your ignorance - and this is your immediate state - you would reflect on it. Your end is death. It is indicated by His word, "Then He makes him die and buries him. Then, when He wills, He raises him." The meaning here is that your ruh, hearing, sight, knowledge, power, senses, perception, and movement are all stripped away. You revert to the inanimate as you were in the first place. Only the shape of your limbs remains. Your form has neither senses nor movement. Then you are placed in the earth and your limbs decay. You become absent after you existed. You become as if you were not, as you were at first for a long period of time. Then a man wishes that he could remain like that. How excellent it would be if he were left as dust! However, after a long time, He brings him back to life to subject him to a severe trial. He comes out of his grave after his spearated parts are joined together, and he steps out to the terrors of the Rising. He is told, "Come quickly to the Reckoning and prepare for the Outcome!" His heart stops in fear and panic when he is faced with the terror of these words even before his pages are spread out and he sees his shameful actions in them. This is the end of his affair. It is the meaning of His word, "Then when He wishes, He raises him." How can anyone whose state this is be arrogant? A moment of freedom from grief is better than arrogance. He has shown the beginning and the middle of his condition. If his end had appeared to him - and we seek refuge from Allah - perhaps he would have chosen to be a dog or a pig in order to become dust with the animals rather than a hearing, speaking man, and meet with punishment (if he deserves the Fire). When he is in the presence of Allah then even the pig is nobler than him since it reverts to dust and it is spared from the Reckoning and the punishment. Someone with this state at the Rising can only hope for pardon, and he cannot be at all certain about it. How then can he be arrogant? How can he see himself as anything to which excellence is attached? This is the knowledge-cure. As far as the action-cure is concerned, it is to humble yourself to people in a constrained unnatural manner until it becomes natural for you. Shehu Usman Dan Fodio

Alphonse de LaMartaine in 'Historie de la Turquie,' Paris, 1854. "Never has a man set for himself, voluntarily or involuntarily, a more sublime aim, since this aim was superhuman; to subvert superstitions which had been imposed between man and his Creator, to render God unto man and man unto God; to restore the rational and sacred idea of divinity amidst the chaos of the material and disfigured gods of idolatry, then existing. Never has a man undertaken a work so far beyond human power with so feeble means, for he (Muhammad) had in the conception as well as in the execution of such a great design, no other instrument than himself and no other aid except a handful of men living in a corner of the desert. Finally, never has a man accomplished such a huge and lasting revolution in the world, because in less than two centuries after its appearance, Islam, in faith and in arms, reigned over the whole of Arabia, and conquered, in God's name, Persia Khorasan, Transoxania, Western India, Syria, Egypt, Abyssinia, all the known continent of Northern Africa, numerous islands of the Mediterranean Sea, Spain, and part of Gaul. "If greatness of purpose, smallness of means, and astonishing results are the three criteria of a human genius, who could dare compare any great man in history with Muhammad? The most famous men created arms, laws, and empires only. They founded, if anything at all, no more than material powers which often crumbled away before their eyes. This man moved not only armies, legislations, empires, peoples, dynasties, but millions of men in one-third of the then inhabited world; and more than that, he moved the altars, the gods, the religions, the ideas, the beliefs and the souls. "On the basis of a Book, every letter which has become law, he created a spiritual nationality which blend together peoples of every tongue and race. He has left the indelible characteristic of this Muslim nationality the hatred of false gods and the passion for the One and Immaterial God. This avenging patriotism against the profanation of Heaven formed the virtue of the followers of Muhammad; the conquest of one-third the earth to the dogma was his miracle; or rather it was not the miracle of man but that of reason. "The idea of the unity of God, proclaimed amidst the exhaustion of the fabulous theogonies, was in itself such a miracle that upon it's utterance from his lips it destroyed all the ancient temples of idols and set on fire one-third of the world. His life, his meditations, his heroic revelings against the superstitions of his country, and his boldness in defying the furies of idolatry, his firmness in enduring them for fifteen years in Mecca, his acceptance of the role of public scorn and almost of being a victim of his fellow countrymen: all these and finally, his flight his incessant preaching, his wars against odds, his faith in his success and his superhuman security in misfortune, his forbearance in victory, his ambition, which was entirely devoted to one idea and in no manner striving for an empire; his endless prayers, his mystic conversations with God, his death and his triumph after death; all these attest not to an imposture but to a firm conviction which gave him the power to restore a dogma. This dogma was twofold the unity of God and the immateriality of God: the former telling what God is, the latter telling what God is not; the one overthrowing false gods with the sword, the other starting an idea with words. "Philosopher, Orator, Apostle, Legislator, Conqueror of Ideas, Restorer of Rational beliefs.... The founder of twenty terrestrial empires and of one spiritual empire that is Muhammad. As regards all standards by which human greatness may be measured, we may well ask, is there any man greater than he?"

i think we need this reminder again, jzk

http://jamattimes.com/jis.jsp

´He cant leave and he cant stay in Somalia. Probably the worst position to be in when your entire army is made up of peasents, conscripts and looters. Jabhad ha na ceebeyn adeer, morale xumada niinka ka muqaata ma aragtid?

peacenow, I have some serious questions which I will post at a later date

http://www.guardian.co.uk/egypt/story/0,,2135869,00.html

There was a time when Yardies would shoot each other. But know we have kids with bandanas on bycicles carrying out executions. Even more concerning is that you dont have to do alot to catch bullet or a knife in your organs. Sad thing is that it will probably get worse.

1. Eritrean, Oromo and foreign groups were transported into Somalia in support of this group and they bolstered the clan courts forces which would not have won any significant battles without this armed support and expertise. Of course thousands of Oromos and Eritreans just like there was "no" Ethiopian troops? Just like you would "never support" an Ethiopian occupation right? It is all expected from a a man who takes his hero a man who hears from the radio the bombardment of his own people, whilst calling himself the president.

This thread was not about any individual or personalities on the cyber world of SOL. Rather it was an attempt to expose and remind people about one of the greatest shams and mockeries ever seen in the history of the Somali Race. That is, the Somali people were lied to over and over again by an entity that claimed to have their best interests at heart. An entity which heard reports of the very own ppl being bombed to pieces via the B.B.C somalia, not that they cared much anway. Firstly we were told that there were no Ethiopian troops inside Somalia. That it was all a hoax, a lie and false cry by the mad mullahs of Muqdisho. When they realised that Somali populations had ears, telephones and most importantly "Eyes". Somali people in many towns reported a rather large movement of Ethiopian military personnel from the Ocaden region into Somalia. Despite this the T.F.G still played the same cards by denying any existance of any such troops inside Somalia. When it became clear that they couldn't keep up such a lie, they resorted to claiming that there was only a few hundred personal army trainers. Even When the war started in late December 2006 the Ethiopian ambassador to the U.K claimed that only a few hundred trainers were present in Somalia. But guess what? Aljazeera obtained live pictures of combatant Ethiopian soldiers participating in the war. The ambassador did another U-turn when he retracted on this claims this year, the good ambassador claimed that( in the Guardian) " Ethiopia had been sent to save Somalia from a brutal subclan". In other words the Somali government of stooges couldn't apparently fight one single Somalia subclan, thus a hundred or so trainers were sent to assist them, but suddenly they doubled numbers and became thousands of occupying troops. Are you confused? Even more confusing the occupation cheerleades on this forum and their fellow associates claimed that one third of Ethiopian troops had left Somalia and the Ethiopian would stay for a week or so. But as time went they retracted from that claim and blamed the prolongment of Ethiopian troops on "looters" and " fake religous wadaads" whom were responsible for attacks against " women" and " children". In short one can see the multiple stories and claims made by the cheerleaders of the occupation these include: 1. 1000s of Oromos and Eritreans invaded Somalia so Ethiopia saved Somalia from them. May we ask where are they know? Don't tell us Meled Zenawi defeated them and they hiding under womens Niqabs. 2. Ethiopia asked Somalia to save her from a " brutal subclan". 3. Ethiopian was invited by the Somali government. 4. Ethiopia liberated Somalia from the evil Indhacade. 5. Ethiopia was hunting Alqaeds suspects. Which one is it?

It is probably better to make oil/reconstruction deals with China, they won't ask nothing like democracy of fighting terrorism. This whole command thing saliid iyo wax kale baa lagu radinaya. But it looks like they have competition from the Chinese. They put sanctions against Iran and Sudan but they just trade and sell oil to China.

Step1: Computerka Garac as hard as you can Step2: Ask a Farax for help if that fails Dial 999, nah I am just joking. I once had the same problem and all you have to do is just adjust the screen settings. I wasted a lot of time and money calling the AOL. Some of them are based in India you see. Man was speaking to some indian and kept saying " D" for "Dango", i was like you mean " D". The he says again " no D for Dango".After a while i worked out he was trying to say " T" for "Tango".

Berbera would be probably be an ideal location, not that I would ever wish such a thing to happen.

quote:Eyewitnesses in two settlements between Doble and Afmadow said there were more US attacks in the area that lasted for between 30 to 45 minutes Update: Have the three alleged terrorists being captured/killed in Somalia. If you know where they are please call the C.I.A, so they can bomb another Somali nomadic village. Or better call the president of Somalia, he will phone the B.B.C Somali radio to tell them get in touch with the C.I.A.

Update: July 17th 2007, the motivational prank continues?

quote;ADDIS ABABA, Jan 27 (Reuters) - A third of the Ethiopian troops who led a war to crush Islamist forces in Somalia late last month are expected to have withdrawn by Sunday, Prime Minister Meles Zenawi said. Update:July 17th 2007, Ethiopian soldiers got lost on their way to Muqdisho Airport, yes one third of them!

I take it you are not willing to answer the question I posed?