Ok let me set some things straight for you: 1. I dont have any "Islamist homeboys" that are killing innoncent women and children, I think this was a cheap and emotional insult on your behalf. If you are accusing me of supporting terrorists, then I think you owe me an apology mate. Secondly I dont understand where religion came into this discussion.So lets leave that issue there. 2. Saddam Hussein used chemical weapons against his own people, just like todays Takfiris in Iraq, yes or no? 3. Saddam Hussein didnt kill innoncent Iraqi women and children like them, yes or no? 4. Saddam Hussein came to power through a coup just like Siyad Bare. 5. Saddam Hussein like Siyad end up ruling through tribal elites and marginalised other ethnic and political groups? 6. Just like Saddam he sent thousands of people to be tortured and interrogated simply for opposing his government, yes or no? 7. Saddam Hussein bombed Iraqi cities just like Siyad Bare bombed Somali cities and inhabitants? 8. Groups and clans in Somalia took Ethiopia as an ally because they felt Siyad Bare was marginalising their communties. Just like Ethiopian groups including Meles Zenawi took Somalia as their ally, in order to advance the interests of their respective ethnic groups. Just like Shias and Kurds in Iraq took Iran as their ally against the tyrannical rule of Saddam. 9. Therefore during the late 80s there was no Ethiopian or Somali state to betray. Everybody including Tigrays, Isaacs, Amharas and all the other clans were looking out for the survival of the respective ethnic groups as both governments in Ethiopia and Somali were on the brink of collapse.

Mogadishu Somalia clan elders present at the country's reconciliation congress in Mogadishu have been deadlocked in terrorism issue. The reconciliation committee announced yesterday that the debate should only be discussed by people with great knowledge of the Islamic religion. Ali Haji Yusuf, one of hundreds of clan elders, recited verses of the holy Qura'an and Hadith indicating the characteristics of a Muslim person. "Those who kill Muslims in the mosques are not Muslims but what about government troops seizing people praying in the house of God?" he said. Another religious clan elder, Abdi Shakur Sheik Hussien, said: "We only heard the words "extremists and terrorists" from the American president, George W. Bush, and I believe that we, as Muslims, do not have to repeatedly say what an infidel said," he said. As the debate grew bitter, Gen. Abdirahman Abdi Hussein, one of the committee, took the microphone and said, "You all ignore that there are terrorists in this country. Those who kill innocent people in the mosques are terrorists. You will only admit and hate them when they kill you relatives and children," he said. Another committee member, Mohammed Omar Tajirow, stood up and apologized to the clan elders, telling them that they were free to deliver their thoughts and views. The committee finally decided to appoint religious people for the terrorism issue.

Mogadishu Somalia clan elders present at the country's reconciliation congress in Mogadishu have been deadlocked in terrorism issue. The reconciliation committee announced yesterday that the debate should only be discussed by people with great knowledge of the Islamic religion. Ali Haji Yusuf, one of hundreds of clan elders, recited verses of the holy Qura'an and Hadith indicating the characteristics of a Muslim person. "Those who kill Muslims in the mosques are not Muslims but what about government troops seizing people praying in the house of God?" he said. Another religious clan elder, Abdi Shakur Sheik Hussien, said: "We only heard the words "extremists and terrorists" from the American president, George W. Bush, and I believe that we, as Muslims, do not have to repeatedly say what an infidel said," he said. As the debate grew bitter, Gen. Abdirahman Abdi Hussein, one of the committee, took the microphone and said, "You all ignore that there are terrorists in this country. Those who kill innocent people in the mosques are terrorists. You will only admit and hate them when they kill you relatives and children," he said. Another committee member, Mohammed Omar Tajirow, stood up and apologized to the clan elders, telling them that they were free to deliver their thoughts and views. The committee finally decided to appoint religious people for the terrorism issue.

I think you are becoming rather emotional my friend. No offense.....

Originally posted by me: quote:Originally posted by Geel_Jire12: If the S.N.M betrayed Somalia, then I say the Somali government betrayed its people, which led to destruction of the state and the infiltration of secular clanish groups supported by Mengistu. How did the Somali government betrayed his people? By building up a state from virtually scratch? by inventing a new Somali script? by supporting literacy campaings that helped learn over 70% of the population how to read and write? by building up one of the Strongest armies in Africa? by building factories, roads, schools, by building Xamar and making it a place for Somalis of all regions, by recording Somali history, culture, poetry, the achievements of the Somali government are countless. So geeljire give me one example of a positive thing that these rebels did for our nation. Just one. Saxiib ppl say the same thing about Saddam Hussein.

yeah good news....

I though it was very good intellecutally presenteed programme, which covered a diverse range of ideas. This is the first time it touched on the ideological issues within Islam that can be used to justify attacks against´the West, namely the ideas of of Darul Harb and Darul Amn. And whether attacks are permissable when a host country supposedly breaks a convenant with Muslims.

so u happy 4 them?

http://www.blink.org.uk/pdescription.asp?key=15290&grp=66&cat=442 Boris Johnson will be running for London Mayor.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070728/ap_on_re_mi_ea/a_jihadist_s_journey

If the S.N.M betrayed Somalia, then I say the Somali government betrayed its people, which led to destruction of the state and the infiltration of secular clanish groups supported by Mengistu.

If I was to make new stateall Somalis wuld be invited.

my clan is in the process of making a new state already...

yeah man i think dispatches is getting obsessed with Muslims...

sleeper cell

I think this one is different. It is showing Muslims who are against the "extremists" and sum debates between the Muslims themselves...yeah its on tnite

Originally posted by The Duke: Makhir is a great idea, if it comes to existance will it join Somaliland or wave the blue flag? So who cares if its called Makhir, Puntland or Sanaag as long as it is part of Somali Federal state. its up to the people to decide which Fedral state they want to be in. Puntland is not holly, Somalia is. My freind there is no federal state of Somalia, it is the united clan states of Somalia. I might even make my own state from scratch call it Badiyeland or something.

Saxiib he wants to leanrn some moves from rush hour...xabashida ku jihadaya....

If they wanted learn something they would get a biology book...but the internet is different story.............

Saxiib, the army and Musharaf are the ones the will help destroy the nation of Paskitan. They sold and helped kill thousands of their own people to the C.I.A. It wasnt going to be long before this betrayal turns into violence. So now Pakistan will become a warzone for Musharaf, Bin Laden and Taliban supporters. Add this to problems in Baluchistan, Wazirsitan and the growing oppostion from secular elites. Musharaf is a doomed and we know that the Americans dont even like the man. They blame him for not curbing millitants, which no man has ever achieved in history. If anything the face of Mr Musharaf shows what is wrong in the Muslim world today.

quote:and nothing to do more often than not with erotic imagery/videos. When one searches Sex on google or others, I dont think you will get links to Mickey Mouse.

Channel 4 8PM: Dispatches: Britain under attack: With the country under constant threat of terror ), reporter Phil Rees investigates the root of suspected islamic extremisim in the UK

I forgot to say the man in my signature, the Muslim hero Salhuddin was not even an Arab.His forces included Turks, Nubians and Arabs.

British passport I have. But I will them " Adeer reerki iyo dhinca miyaga baan ka imi"?

my challenge to Nabadnow still stands! quote:What is your solution to all the these problems and others?