looking good, looking good boyz...

I thought as much....

http://news.aol.co.uk/rabbi-condemns-multiculturalism/article/20071019223909990001

quote:If you were going to choose one side above all others then, surely, it is best to choose one that is likely to achieve your goals and is on a par with your beliefs. Well it all depends on how one achieves his intended goals. If you wanted to become super and you had the options of either going to a bank robber, fraudster or working way up the ladder like any law abiding citizens. Any self respecting person would choose the latter. Simarly the T.F.G as you say(assuming it's true) is the most equiped to bring back the Somali state and form a working government given the financial and military support given to it. However, if this means the displacement of thousands of Somalis, the throwin away of Somali soverignity, the arrest and killing of thousands of citizens;plus the countless other crimes commited. Then surely people like have Bilaal and co have the right to reject such a formula? What they reject is not the resurrection of the Somali state nor the forming such instutions, but rather the methods used to achieve the means.

Originally posted by Castro: ^^^^ Who wants to hear your version of the truth you clannist bigot? You probably want Laas Caanood to burn and all its inhabitants to be servants in the homes of secessionists in Hargeisa. The good news is, deep thinkers (and occasional warriors) of this forum and the homeland can clearly see through your spin and secession sympathizing. They see your lies for what they are. They will continue to raise their money in the diaspora so they could retake the 2 kilometers they lost to the secessionist cowards. And when Allah has bestowed victory upon them over the secessionist traitors, they, who cheered the invasion of Ethiopia, will come on these boards and show us pictures of their glorious victory over the enemy. They will rejoice in their unprecedented bravery and strategic military planning. Meanwhile, their leaders will be summoned to Addis Ababa and spanked like the dabo-dhilifs they really are. Shame on you for spreading these lies yaa Fatah_Al_Soomaal. Shame on you. How are you doing Mr Castro. BTW, this is your old comrade GeelJire12. Secondly, as a natibve of Lasanod I dont support SL militia nor PL militia. And you have to come again with the rest of your accusations bcuz kuma fahmin. Please clarify what you mean bro!

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Mr Chief the fact Somaliland sent or armed some its allied to invade Lasanod isnt a great suprise nor is it something that people should wail and cry over. Let us leave Ethiopia out of this moment, but let us agree in that Somalis are to blame for Ethiopian troops occupying Somalia. Any thief would rob and loot a house with open doors and windows for 17 years. Now back to Lasanod. The narration goes that Somaliland cult invaded Lasanod. They are evil; they are this; and they are that! No offense this pure emotion and does it analyse or examine the events in Lasanod in a logical way. As I said before the fact that Somaliland attempted to take over Lasanod should not be taken as a suprise. For goodness sake they claimed this City for sixteen years. They placed it on their map and even sent droves of their soldiers to camp kilometres outside the city. Their main politicians revealed many a time their ambitions of taking this city. So what should have done? The obvious thing was the residents of this city do defend this town, if indeed they rejected the advances being made by Somaliland, right? But who did they place to defend Lasanod? Firstly Abdullahi Yusuf and now Cadde Muses Puntland militia. The Somaliland militia were well drilled, armed and fed. Now let us compare this to the PL militia. Under Cadde Muse Puntland has become the most incompetent, corrupt and misrun affair in Northern Somalia. The Puntland soldiers were not well trained, paid or fed. To add insult to injury Cadde Muse promised and delivered many of the PL army to fight Zenawis war in Muqdisho, the bulk of the being the soldiers that were meant to defend this city. So what you have is well traine, drilled and armed Somaliland army and a city illdefended with troops that arent even being fed proprely. What were the chances that the PL militias could defend the city? I say probably little! Secondly, under Cadde Muse it well evident that the delicate balance of the subclans in Puntland was disrupted. Several instances such as the killing in Jails, the Makhir oil revolts and other judicial arguments took place. Thus what had was that some subclans or their main boys eg. militia leaders were unhappy with the status quo in Bosaso. Of course one could say that the majority of reer Lasanod support Puntland, however, it cant be denied there are some subclans differences and issues that are resulted in some supporting the PL and Sl militias respectively. Surely it cant be that the SL militia rode into Lasanod without any support or backing from certain subclan militia leaders. What I am trying to get at is that there are certain families who trying to get at each by way of PL and SL militias. I know this from London and I am sure that you know what I am talking about. Lastly, the solution I believe is for Reer Lasanod to form their adminstration and reject SL and PL for the time being. The leaders of both these militias contain alcoholics, anti wadaads and people who only care for a dollar. Dont be fooled that these men from both sides are heroes who have come to liberate Lasanod. Cadde Muse didnt seem concerned about Lasanod, but he is the heoric and willing commander that came to liberate Lasanod. He is simply putting this show on because he wants to get some credibility back. This is ditto for Riyaale a victory in Lasanod would also bring back some his credibility. Therefore, I dont believe it is in our interests to cheer for any of these militias. Just imagine yesterday Xaabsade would have been the loyal PL who came to liberate L.A. But now he is to you a traitor and loser. The clear solution is for Lasanod and other Somalis to appoint their patritoci traditional clan leaders, Ulema and Academics as leaders. Otherwise there will be endless conflict if one pins his hopes on men who stay late into the night drinking khamri and chewing khat. It is shame that people in London are raising tens and thousands of pounds to start a clan war in Norhtern Somalia, whilst thousands of Somalis starve. I could imagine how the leaders of the various militias will spend this money. Ilahow dadkayaga u sahal!

It is not a big deal. Turkey is not a secular as some people. Infact according to some Turks I know there a is thriving Madarasa system and Islam is remerging in many spheres of life. Of course some people are threatened by this.

When Imam Gurey embarked on his mission, he came across a group muslims who gave an annual tribute to the Abysnian Emperor each year. This tribute was the best looking girl each year. Anyway, when Imam Gurey liberated them naturally they where thankful and married to him one of their best girls. Ironically during this time a group of people referred to by chroniclers as "Murtads" existed. Who where they? Well stooges and warlords who worked with Abysnian empire who worked with them too take the lands of the Muslims of the horn. The raids of Imam Ahmad terrified the Abysnians so much it is reported that they where scared to even light fires at night hence the alleged tradition of eating uncooked meated. Lastly, when the catastrophe hit the Abysnian empire on its head, one of their leaders remarked that this was a punishment from the Almighty as they had oppressesd the weak and the minorities in their land. Dare I say, we Somalis can learn from this? Again, Ironically, One of the commanders of the Tigray and Amhara alliance during this was a certain "Bishop Zenawi" indeed history is strange!

During the past 17 years many Somali cities changed hands between rival warlords. This is what has simply happened in Lasanod! Nothing more nothing less!

Ps The TFG and Ethiopia don’t have the military and political resources to defeat the ragtag Shabaab? Now that’s a revelation I would enjoy reading you expand on. Go ahead, oblige me. Maybe I used the wrong words, they certainly dont have the knowhow or skills needed to enforce such a grand task. But yes they have the financial clout and the military muscle. Firstly, time is against them. It hass already been some 8 months or more that the Ethiopians invaded Somalia. These ragtag Shabads defeated the more heavily armed Warlords in the space of a few months. This was probably due the support of the local population and ideological zeal of the young men. I mean a man who rises up in the Fajr prayer prepared war and one who is probably still awake chewing Khat from last night arent going to going to fight the same way. This victory made the Ethiopians step into the scene. One could say that the militias of the I.C.U entered in this battle in the wrong way. Nevertheless,it is reported even with Ethiopian help the Shabaabs were very very close to entering Badioa itself and taking that city. However the Americans came into action and they were ill prepared for this decisive turn of events. After this many people proclaimed victory and thought these groups were dismantled as the Ethiopians tanks bulldozed their way into major Somali cities. However, we saw three major battles in Muqdisho between various militias and the Ethiopian army. We saw the large scale destruction of Muqdisho and literal flattening of that city. It is reported again by reliable sources that during this battle the Ethiopians couldnt even enter the other side to collect their injured and dead. You saw yourself that their bodies were dragged against Muqdisho streets. This was natural to occur as those troops from Ethiopia and Puntland didnt know there way around Muqdisho back alleys. What does this mean? It means that the several battles and daily attacks in Muqdisho must have taken a pshyical and pshycological impact on the Ethiopian and T.F.G soldiers. As I said before time is against them and so is the other critical factor, that is, History. How long can the Ethiopians stay in Somalia? 2,3,4,5,6 years? Clearly they are a poor African country and cant afford to do so. On the other hand an early exit is again clearly not on the agenda, the damages that this will bring are fairly obvious. Going back tO history. It took the British Empire 22 years to quash meer Somali nomads. They tried every counter insurgenct tactic in the book. They tried to incite other Somali clans against them, bribed their ranks and brought in neighbouring states eg. Abysnia to squash the rebellion. They finally succeded or at least curbed the dervishes out when they relentelessly bombed from the air. This tactic cant work today simply because we are taking about major cities with urban alleyways and hideouts not Somali nomads with little weaponry herding their Camels in open fields. The Americans also failed in Somalia as they found the resistance from entire clans was simply not defeatable without killing or wiping entire Somali subclans. So even the Americans couldnt do what the T.F.G and Ethiopia are trying to do. Yes the Americans could have stayed but that meant killing too many Somalis in the process and it would also mean losing men and draining the morale of their men. Ethiopia is not America nor is Britian nor Israel. She is a poor African country dominated by one tribe attempting to quash various rebellions inside Ethiopia and also with threat of a an enemy next door, namely Eritrea. The country is disunited and there is not one unifying factor of nationalistic zeal at the moment. It cant even defeat ragtag Somali nomads in the Ocaden province. They have sent most of the army into that region and have failed and are being humilated into defeat by armed Somali tribesmen and Islamists. They face the same situation in Muqdisho whereby they have angered entire subclans. Their army is demoralised and the high positions are filled by the Tigray Ethnic groups. There are also countless defections from disgruntled Somalis, Afars and other ethnic groups. Secondly, the Somali insurgents in the Ocaden and Muqdisho have developed a reputation for bravery and notoriety in fighting Ethiopians troops. And this is not my meer propoganda. Here are a few snippets from the international media: quote:Again in 2006, the Meles government, with the full support of US and UK governments, has vowed to crush the ONLF rebellion once and for all, reinforcing the 15 thousand permanent men garrisoned in ******ia with a further: 25 thousand troops, jet fighters, armored cars and some helicopters. Between February and July 2006, the army tried to destroy the rebellion, but failed completely, losing thousands of troops in the process. The ONLF remained undefeated. Why did the government, with such an overwhelming force managed to fail in its plan? They didn’t face more than 5 to 7 thousand ONLF troops through out the region. The answer to this is complex. Above all the ONLF’s strong support base with the local civilian population is key. The systematic brutalization of ****** civilians, and the lack of military discipline and cohesion within government troops is another reason they weren’t defeated. Lastly, there were totally inadequate strategies and tactics employed against the rebels. Indeed, the government has found itself in a sticky spot. Its 250 thousand men army is ill equipped to fight a war on many fronts: against the five active rebel groups operating within Ethiopia’s border, the perpetual tensions on the Eritrean border, and now the rise of Islam in Somalia And: quote:Furthermore, its ranks are racked with desertion, and lack of discipline due to the internal ethnic strife, which reigns from within its units. quote:Meles has given key positions to his own ethnic kin, the Tigray, both in the government, and in the army, making his policies unpopular among lesser Ethnic groups fighting alongside the Tigrays. The officer corps is overwhelmingly from Tigray “terroir”, leaving other ethnic groups less attractive positions within the army. Therefore, blocking any possibilities for them to go up the ladder, the officer corps often uses same ethnic groups to fight each other, pitting Oromos against Oromos, or Sidamas against Sidamas. The poorly led Oromo, Amhara soldier is sometimes forced to desert, finding it unbearable to kill his own kin. As a consequence, a non-negligible amount of government soldiers desert their unit to escape the grueling reality of the ****** front. quote:This is the case of Thomas Gin Ernest an ethnic Hadiyan from Southern Ethiopia, drafted by force into Meles’s army, who decided after serving for six years to desert with a few others to the ONLF. “During our walk to ONLF lines, half of our party changed their minds and returned to the military camp. They were shot for treason soon after” He says this happy to have made the right choice. When captured, Mr. Gin Ernest was given some money so he can go home to his family and be reunited. By treating the prisoners with respect and dignity, the rebels attract more allies to their cause This is the same situation that they are facing In Muqdisho as some media reported: quote:The government forces, because of their Ethiopian troop support, face a coalition of both Islamist and nationalist insurgents. The Ethiopians rarely patrol the city and when they do they lose not only their lives but their boots and anything else the insurgents can use. quote:An Ethiopian army officer was quoted as saying that he and his comrades had fled the ranks of Ethiopian troops in Somalia after a dramatic escalation in fierce fighting with Somali Islamic insurgents. 'quote:I am a member of the Ethiopian army and I took part in toppling the rule of the Islamic courts (in Somalia),' said the officer, identified as Muhammad Hassan. 'quote:We did not expect the fighting to reach this level of fiercity or that it could turn into a guerrilla war,' he said. quote:The officer added that many other Ethiopian troops had decided to flee Somalia after they found themselves stuck amid a 'flaming hell.' Therefore my Question is: with the rise of political Islam and clan rebellions both in the Ocaden and Southern Somalia how long can Zenawi maintain his military presence and defeat his foes? My asnwer is that they nor the T.F.G can defeat these ragtag militas without a proper political agreement on the ground. The wise Napoleon Bonoparte was once asked if he would invade London, his reply was: quote: Those who believe that are blockheads. They do not see the true affair in true light.I can doubtless land in England with 100,000 men. A great battle will be fought, which I shall again; but i must count upon 30,00 men killed, wounded or taken prisoners. If I march on London a second battle will be fought. I shall suppose myself victorious. But what should I do in London with an army of reduced three-fourths recuded and without reinforcements? It would be madness.

Mr Caamir, this is your second misleading thread in two days. Firstly you tried to present a U.N call urging PL and SL to curb violence as one calling only Somalialand and now your are trying to present an article alleging the sale of Somali refugees by "Somali Authorities" as one somehow implicating SL only.

Because Islam cant be saved by human beings, otherwise we would be saying that a spider saved Islam from extinction. There are plenty of times that the Prophet saw was in danger, but Allah honoured him and saved as promised to do so.

Didnt he say something about brining Ethio troops god forbid?

If a man came into my house and raped my wife and kids, took away my all my valaubles and demolished my property and then came back everyday for more. I wouldnt ask for my belongings back or negotiate for what is mine, rather I would stand fight like a man an take what is mine. I must your assertation that the O.N.L.F and I.C.U are cowardly people who are to blame for the problems in Ocadenia and Somalia is very biased and misleading to say the least. You have indicate that your a supporter of the expansionist Ethiopian policies as you have blessed the so called Ocaden Government that is watching idely. whilst its own people are hung from trees from Ethiopian soldiers. Secondly, Ethiopians soldiers were based in the Ocaden and crossed the Somtheali borders on a regular basis way before the O.N.L.F and I.C.U existed. I suppose the Crazy Wadaads, Eritrea and the O.N.L.F are to blame for expansion and conquest of Somali territories by Menelik? Perhaps Sheikh Shariff was responsbible for the massacre that occured during the conquest of the Islamic capital of Harar and the rest of the Ocaden peninsula? Perhaps the O.N.L.F is responsible for the slow genocide that occured against the Somali people over the last sixteen years by Ethiopian backed Warlords? My friends as they say History can never be rewritten.

Might as well confuse you now and tell you that I am not a TFG fan. We believe you, dont worry mate. BTW, your analysis of the T.F.G is wrong. They are built on rival clan militias that were only unified against defeating the I.C.U. We are seeing and will see these militas split up in spectacular vision. Abdullahi Yusuf, nor Geedi nor the militas of Bare Hiraale are united in a common vision for Somalia. The only thing that is stopping these militias from engaging in full scale civil war is the Ethiopian security presence. Puntland is already starting to see splits within a subclan militias ally themselves with Somaliland and there is the Makhir state. Thus the alleged support of Puntland means not a great deal. Cadde Muse, Geedi and Hiraale were or are part and parcel of the T.F.G but they are indeed enemies. There only interest is benefitng their families and acquiring resources. Lastly, the T.F.G doesnt have the military or political resources within Muqdisho to quell the insurgency. Ethiopia nor the T.F.G can defeat the clan insurgents or the I.C.U militias. There will be a power struggle as Hizbul Shabaab militias regroup in the south and has rival clans allied to the T.F.G fight for control. Yes they have America, Ethiopia and Saudi Oil money, but nobody has the formula to stop or curb Somali clan fighting without upsetting one clan miltia or ideological militia.

Originally posted by umu zakaria: To some extent it is true. We black pple r fools especially Somalis. See what we did to our heritage, language, religion, dignity n future. we destroyed ourselves n still got the ambition to do more of it. Tell me whats our worth? what do u plan to leave ur kids with when u die? whats our legecy? tribolism? hatred? enjoy being a begger? what do the future generations/ ur kids or ur kids kids know abt their homeland? will they ever get the chance 2 rebuild it? be honest u know waa un anagiiye. Whites r intellectually manipulative n smarter. we invent nothing. we r only good critics. all in all I DO LOVE US. There is no scientific formula or test to prove who is a fool and what not. The above things you listed eg religon and whatnot are describing political situations. If harsh political realities were an indicator of low intelligence then you just have to look at wars European have had. Their wars claimed more lives and brough more disaster then Europe ever could. Secondly the theory that Europeans are genetically more smarter is anti historical. We just have too look at previous civilizations that China, Egypt and the Moors built when Europe was living in relative barbarity and backwardness.

Bismillah Ar-Rahmaan Ar-Raheem. Companions and Family. Brothers and Sisters, Committed Muslims .... audio on http://www.islamiccenterdc.com/khutbassermons.htm (5-10-2007) AL QUDS DAY On this day, in this observed month of Ramadhan; a month of taqwa or recalling the power presence of Allah, we bring to mind the interfering powers of this world and the imposing forces in this life. We quote Allah's words as He says in Surah Al-Isra' And We have decreed upon the Children of Israel in the book that you shall cause corruption on a global scale twice and you shall reach unprecedented heights (Surah Al-Isra' verse 3) This is what Allah says concerning Bani Israeel. We compare what Allah is saying compared to what the mouth pieces are saying. The media in today's world want us to believe that Bani Israeel are the victims; that the Israelis are the underdogs; that the Zionists are looking for a homeland just like other peoples of the world; that they have endured the sufferings of centuries and millennia and that they have recently emerged from genocidal policies at which the centre of which is the holocaust- this is what they say. We are bombarded with their perception management from cradle to grave. We hear nothing except that these are the poor, the oppressed and the under classes of the world who have finally found their foothold of their own in Palestine which they call Israel. Allah says of the current monsters (in the political and military sense of the word), Allah says that He has registered in His registrar the fact that in the history of Bani Israeel that (these are Allah's definite, assuring and final words on the subject) these descendents of Israeel will- with all certainty- no doubt about it- ...(Surah Al-Isra' verse 3) for those who are familiar with the structure of the word, the laam at the beginning of tufsid is for emphasis (and) the nun-al-mushaddadah at the end of the word latufsidunna is for underlining, underscoring (and) reiterating the fact ... cause disruption in the world- not in a neighborhood, nation state or particular region- in the whole world (Surah Al-Isra' verse 3) That is the scale of their corruption, misdeeds, commotions and instability. Let us skip their historical worldwide corruption and let us focus on their current worldwide corruption. Here we have them-the Zionists- no one is going to say this; you're not going to hear this on radio and TV programs. The fact of the matter is (that) those know these facts remain silent because they owe their finances or power positions to the same people that we are speaking about so they can't speak. Can't we, who are free in our hearts and liberated in our thoughts, express the meanings and the ideas that are given to us by Allah? If we can't do it, who's going to do it? The Christians don't have the Qur'an, they don't have these ayaat (and) oppressed people in world don't have this information from Allah- we have it. So, why do we have learned scholars, Muslim intellectuals and a cadre of clergymen in the world who are incapable of just explaining (that is all that is expected of them- just explain) to us the meanings that Allah is giving us that relate to the life and death issues of our time. These ayaat and words from Allah will spare us the politics and the diplomacy of hypocrites and dual loyalists who cannot (as a matter of principle be the Muslims that they claim that they are. We thank Allah (that) we don't have this problem and character. If Allah is telling us about Bani Israeel... and who is Bani Israeel? Some people want to run away from the issue and say "this is a historical group of people- they don't exist today." If anyone just opens their eyes when you pass by one synagogue or the other, they will tell you "bane Israel"- so, do yahud know something that we do not know or are they more courageous at expressing the truth that we do not want to express? He has registered in His registrar the fact that in the history of Bani Israeel that these descendents of Israeel will- with all certainty, no doubt about it- cause disruption in the whole world (Surah Al-Isra' verse 3) We can take a look at the meaning of this ayah and we can see how the zionist jewish lobby is capable of launching wars of aggression. Even some people in this country who are not Muslims will tell you if it wasn't for the jewish lobby in the United States, the Americans would not be at war in Iraq. Some Muslims find credibility if these words come from a non-Muslim and they don't find any validity in this meaning coming from Allah, Himself. There we have it- the yahudi clout has influence in this world (that) only are American politicians and decision-makers subservient to yahud, but you go to Europe and you find the same phenomenon. No one wants to speak out against the disproportionate power that the yahud jewish lobby has inside of Europe. These are the power centers in this world- the American-European axis and within this power arrangement there are no voices that are strong enough to be heard that can come out in public and state the facts pertaining to the makers and shakers of today's worldwide policies. You take a look at those who are in control of finances in the world- they don't want us to look at these- they flash words that are void of concepts someone says "the IMF or World Bank or Federal Reserve"- these are words that conceal a true power behind them. They want to go out with these powers (and) add to it the militaries that they have and then try to rearrange the political map; especially the political map of the area around the occupied territories of Palestine. You can hear them- it only takes an informed Muslim to tune in to their rhetoric and slogans about how this yahudi cabal (let's call them what they are) are in the process of preparing for a war- against who?! Against those who are free and determined enough to put the words of Allah into practice. Now, they are coming out after all of these years and some brothers have an experience (maybe a limited experience but never the less an experience) to try to give and take with these yahud. We may point to some of our Iraqi brothers who got mired in the previous years in a larger scheme trying to be used by this yahudi lobby. They thought that they could use the yahudi lobby and they are slowly and painstakingly waking up to the fact that the yahudi lobby has been using them. What do they want to do? They wanted to turn Iraq into a base of operations to put an end to Islamic self-determination in the area emanating from the eastern frontiers of Iraq, viz. the Islamic State in Iran. What's wrong? Can't we Muslims think and see what's happening? What do you want to happen to wake up and see the facts?! B52-bombers, bunker busters, nuclear weapons?! Is it going to take a conflagration to bring you to the facts that Allah is presenting to you before the calamity and catastrophe?! (Do) you choose to downplay what Allah is saying and to up play what yahud are saying?! This is the type of attitude and character that we encounter from time to time and from individual to another. Listen to what Allah is saying He has registered in His registrar the fact that in the history of Bani Israeel that these descendents of Israeel will- with all certainty, no doubt about it- cause disruption in the whole world (Surah Al-Isra' verse 3) How much more evidence and events are required for us to understand that these are the enemies of Allah, His Prophet and the committed Muslims until the end of time? We're not speaking about a blanket statement that includes the jews. We are careful in what we say Allah. says wa qadaina ila Bani Israeel fil kitaab, Allah did not say wa qadaina ilal yahud fil kitaab. Bani Israel is the nationalist, ethnic, racist (and) political ideology that is represented today by the Zionist. This is their 2nd performance of worldwide instability. In today's world, the position that yahud of the zionist vintage have acquired is so preponderant that it has cause the psychology of the average Muslim to recoil. There's nothing terribly wrong with stating this fact. (If) you look at the average Muslim today- (we are always optimistic- we think that today's Muslim is a quality better then the Muslim 30 years ago and we are confident that the Muslims 30 years from now is going to be qualitatively better than the Muslim today- we want to make this fact clear, but saying this does not mean that we don't carry a lot of dead weight), there's plenty of dead weight that we Muslims are carrying today, and the deadliest of them all are these regimes and governments in Muslim countries who have chosen to side with Bani Israel against Allah, His Prophet and the committed Muslims. We know this is a very substantial statement to say, but someone has to say it. We can't go on giving excuses for these powers that be, to cause havoc inside our own societies and within our own psychology. Banu Israel of today- the zionists of our time are condemned by Allah, His Prophet and the committed Muslims; they are also condemned by international law. There's no one who can present to us a page of international law that justifies what the zionists are doing in today's world- nothing. Zionism is as guilty as apartheid; it is as vicious as racism; it is as warlike as dictators and despots and it stands accused in the court of secular law and in the court of scriptural law. There is nothing in the constitutions of the worlds, the declaration of human rights, the magna curta, the Bible- old and new testament- the Qur'an or the Psalms that justifies the policies of the Israeli Zionist nation state. You're doing to hear it from the Masjid before you're going to hear it from the parliaments of the world. They steal other people's land- these are political thieves. The watered down Muslim (and) the orthodox undeveloped thinking capability in us tells us that when God's law is applied, we amputate the hand of a thief (Surah Al-Maa'idah verse 38) and in some places in the world, viz. in Arabia, they take individuals who have stolen- we don't know what they stole, $1,000 worth of something (more or less) and they cut off the hand of that individual. We're not saying that this is not Islamic law, Islamic law has a context. We don't think there is a context for Islamic law in Arabia, but if they think that that is Islam (and) if they are convinced that they are going the right thing (and) that they should chop of the hand of a thief, here we have the most monumental thief in history; the Zionists, who have not stolen $1,000 or $1billion dollars or $1trillion, they've stolen the holy land- if these people who have Islam on their mind could identify the grand thief in this world, it is the Israeli zionists (and) if they want to take someone to the chopping grounds outside of the Masjid in Riyadh or Jeddah or wherever they do this, why don't they have their eyes fixated on these zionist thieves who have stolen the most precious thing in our lives- our 1st Qibla and our 3rd haram. They can't see that thief! Ask them about it! Who's the last Muslim that brought this to their attention? Who's the Muslim who has the courage to bring this to their attention? When other Muslims- be they in Lebanon, Palestine, Iran or elsewhere- begin to discover this colossal thief that we have and want to apply the appropriate punishment to this thief, then why are you turning your scholars for dollars, your apologetic Ulema' and your media against them and employing your media- whether it's in Egypt, Jordan, Arabia or North Africa- against Muslims who say RabbunAllah (and) not the zionists (and) imperialists? They are neither our masters nor our lords. When Muslims begin to reactivate their imaan and zero-in on the common enemy, you want to find common purpose with the imperialists and Zionists! When are the Muslim people going to wake up to this fact and mobilize along these lines? We don't think that playing the sectarian card with the Zionist-im­perialist nexus is going to bring you any advantage. It doesn't matter whether you're a Shi'i or a Sunni Muslim- we have both sides trying to play a sectarian card and trying to play that card in favor of the imperialists and Zionists. They set up office over here and then they lobby for this support- this will not move us one inch forward. It is the committed Muslims who in the past years and generation have seen this enemy eyeball to eyeball and can see through the lies and fabrications of his media and mass communication system (and) who can identify this enemy and affirm that there can be no common grounds with this type of vicious killer that is in possession of weapons of mass destruction and wants to get away with developing future generations of this same weapon. In the meantime, when clean hearted Muslims want to acquire this technology, they (literally) turn their guns against them. If we are in the shades of this Qur'an (and) if we are the flesh and blood of this Qur'an, it doesn't matter what they do. Let them squirm in their ignorance of where we are. There is a combat generation of Muslims in the making that is not going to be aborted by their Islamic terrorism and fundamentalism boogie label. That's not going to scare us and cause us to run away. Saudi Arabia has been a bonanza for them- 1st they fed off the sectarians of the wahabis, then they feed off the terrorism of the wahabis and then they blackmail the official Saudi government that comes from within the wahabbi context- any way they slice the Saudi gadget, it serves them. The Muslims of today and tomorrow are bypassing all of this intrigue. They place their own men inside certain strains of Islam and they want to cause us to implode from within so that we lose sight of our common enemy in Occupied Palestine. They want us to be occupied with each other. We were maturing and growing at an unexpected pace and they threw a monkey ranch into this process. The September 11th phenomenon has been their monkey wrench inside Islamic motivation, movement and momentum and now this 9/11 thing has ran out of political gas. There is no more mileage that they can make out of 9/11, so what are they going to do now? They're probably up to some other shenanigan and charade on the order of 9/11 to whip another few years of hysteria against the committed Muslims of the world. We tell them "we are already born, you cannot abort us! We are already growing, you cannot dwarf us! We are already fighting, you cannot immobilize us!" Things come on Allah's watch (so to speak)- remember, this Yawm Al Quds, this day of Jerusalem that we commemorate today, 20 and 10 years ago; we (Muslims and non Muslims alike) would stand up (and) devote our minds and hearts to Allah on this day, identifying with the oppressed people in Palestine and we were the odd voice out; recently, there has been some academic voices (and) political voices that are not Muslims who came out and said "we should take a look at the Israeli jewish lobby in the United States." These are not Muslims and they are well ahead of the type of Islam that is being preached from a Mimbar inside a Masjid (like this, and you can multiply this hundreds and thousands of times around) to realize the type of slumber that they want to put us in. They give us lullabies during khutbah time on Fridays to put us to sleep- that's where they want us. They want us either dead by their weapons of mass destruction or they want us sleeping by their clergy of mass destruction. For the Muslims who have the conscience and awareness to point to the common enemy, the propaganda system is a symphony that does to work and plasters us with all the negative images that they can conjure. these types to shenanigans only engulf those who are provoking them (Surah Al-Fatir verse 43) They do nothing to us, we continue to grow- this is a promise. Al ardh Al Muqaddas- the holy land; Al Quds, Jerusalem will be liberated. We don't know when, but we are working on it and we will continue to work on it; and let those who are suffering from a process of slow learning mature, (and) let those who are suffering from hypocrisy stew in their hypocrisy and let those enemies who are hiding behind fancy words be exposed as the months and the years go by. And indeed Allah will give victory to those who are supportive of Him for He has the power and He has the Izza Brothers and sisters committed Muslims... In light of the critical information that we are in possession of, these words of Allah are very valuable for those who ponder and analyze the what they mean, but even though some minds may understand the mental delivery of these ayaat and suwar, there is a psychological component here. Some people who understand (for reasons unexplained) are afraid to live up to the standards of their understanding. Why they are afraid? We don't know where this fear comes from. We don't know of one Prophet of Allah who feared the powers that be- this is not a Prophetic character. We don't know of one Islamic leader, an Islamic Imam who fears, so how come we have fear? Where did this come from? Allah taunts those who fear those who are lesser than Allah. He says and they will try to scare you concerning those who are inferior to Him meaning to Allah (Surah Az-Zumar verse 36) That's what they are trying to do today. They are trying to have us scared of powers that are inferior to Allah- so why fear? What do you fear? you stand in awe of them Allah more that you score in awe of Him (Surah Al-Ahzaab verse 37) How many times you hear the ayah There's no fear that comes their way and they do not grieve (Surah Yunus verse 62) And why should we not place our trust and confidence in Allah when He has shown us our ways and we will preserver with the harm that comes our way from you (the people in power) (Surah Ibrahim verse 12) When they try to engineer damage upon us, the response is we will persevere; the response wasn't "Oh- let us find a common ground here. Let us negotiate these things away. There has to be something here that can avoid this type of polarization and this outbreak of potential warfare." (Do you) see the difference between how Allah is telling us to behave and how some of us runaway from that and they want to behave on their own? Where is their justification? bring us your evidence if you are true in what you are doing (Surah Al-Baqarah verse111) (There's) no evidence. As a matter of fact, there's an official policy of hush-hush. These people who are behind the scenes (and) laboring on contacts with zionism and imperialism have a blanket of silence over their movements. We understand (that)- they are criminals, they want to behave and move in the dark; that's their nature (and) that's how they operate; but we, the committed Muslims, should we behave behind closed doors (and have) secret meetings with those who are potential bridges to the zionists and imperialists? Where did this come from? On this day, we reiterate our solidarity and support for the oppressed people in Palestine and in the surrounding lands and we emphasize our support and confidence in the Islamic leadership that also no one wants to speak about. We have a problem on both sides. We have these spineless people who don't want to expose the zionists for the criminals that they are and we also have the spineless people who don't want to speak the truth about the Islamic leadership that we have. This is a silence that smothers us. It has no grounds and no basis. We need people who have the courage in their heart, the motivation in their conscience and the insight in their minds to speak the truth unashamedly, unabashedly (and) unapologetically about where we are. Our lives are at stake (and) our future is what we are speaking about. For those of you who still suffer from fear, this month of Ramadhan should have been enough to budge you away from the fear of mortals (and) into the acknowledgement of Allah's justice that will be done in Palestine and on Earth. We are not limited human beings (and) we are not regional creatures; we are universal and we can see this justice taking its course throughout the world... wa law karihal munafiqun, wa law karihal kaafirun, wa law karihadh dhalimun, wa law karihal mushrikun

Originally posted by SheekhaJacaylka: It will Insha Allah ,,,,,, Fatah, quote: Unless you can get a referendum you cant prove anything. Nobody can prove who the majority is with That is a relief ... i can see you've changed quote: I believe there is a silent majority who want Puntland nor Somaliland. whateva happened to REER LA WANT BUGLAND drum ?? quote: meaning they will be arrested or shot. Somali democracy in action. is that the only thing you can think of ?? ... dealing with them have many other meanings in Somaliland. Remember, we are not in Mogadishu sxb I have always said that it is up to the people to decide. Militias controlling towns prove nothing. Simply for the fact that they have guns and everyone else doesnt. A for the majority supporting PL times change and people can change their opinions. Just because they belong to the same tribe as Pl it doesnt mean that they have to be with them. But it also means that they dont have to be part of Somaliland just because of an old colonial border line. I have already highlighted the hypocritical flaw in your argument. You are claiming that SL allied militias have the right to forcefully control lasanod with the help of Hargeysa boys, but PL allied militias cant take Lasanod with the help of Garowe boys. Thus you have still failed to provide one good reason why L.A is part and parcel of SL other than a local milita taking control. BTW, I am not supporting neither camp. i believe that both are two monkey. But SL could be seen as the better of the two monkeys. And I am a native of that town...so you cant accuse me of being biased or tribalist!

quote:I think they've just proven what they want. Unless you can get a referendum you cant prove anything. Nobody can prove who the majority is with. quote:Do you think troops from Hargeisa captured the city or local militia did it ?? Local Militia. But the subclan militia dont speak for everyone. Just as the Puntland militia dont speak for everyone. I believe there is a silent majority who want Puntland nor Somaliland. quote:here are still some siding with cade muuse but they'll be dealt with This is great. Anyone disagrees anyone who doesnt support Somaliland will be dealt with, meaning they will be arrested or shot. Somali democracy in action. quote:LA will not be like Mogadishu ..... Let us hope so.

quote:LA is part of Somaliland Who said so?Secondly I thought i was up to the people. Prove to me that L.A is part of Somaliland! quote:Cade muse has the right to keep Garowe, Qardho, Bosaso and Galkacyo. Again those are part of Somalia. Agaín the burden is on to prove that L.A is not part of Somalia! quote.I want to eliminate all those qabiil oriented regions and have Somalia and Somaliland only. What you want doesnt really matter, what matters is what the people of that region want.

http://news.independent.co.uk/sci_tech/article3067222.ece

My friend your stance is somewhat hypocritical and i dont to offend you. You cant say that Somaliland has the right to forcefully take Lasanod but Cadde Muse cant call for the other locals to fight them.

It must be the Wadaads of Cimaamad destruction and Eritrea to blame for this?