Originally posted by xiinfaniin: Too many balls in the air yaa jamaacah. Fabrb, adeer i am not wailing for i didn't know umer hashi. i asked you what is your stance and you resorted describing what you blve to be facts on the ground. do you believe the assasinatino of umer was justified from religious perspective, or from your personal piont of view? I just you to come out like Kashafa did, and subscribe to the kelligi muslim shcool. do you have the entellectual guts to do so ninka banooniga ciyaarow? Yes. Now prove to me how this is keligis Muslim school of thought. I challenge you. edit: yowmul juma aya la isku jihadi.

Originally posted by xiinfaniin: Fabr, Allah@they shouldn't kill 60 people. the supperficial concern! so you believe cumar's assisination was justified? Is beledweyne occupied by ethiopian troops at the time when cumar was killed? I am asking your OPONION not what alshabaab might have said. Note: i see you cant help but go back in time to cite my stance to justify yours. i have a record of course objecting any seneless killing. when alshabaab shelled the sham conference in mid 2006 in xamar, unlike you i spoke against it as a misguided act. Waranle, your rant is noted. shariifku waa adeerkay ee iidaa ninyahow haddad ilaahay taqan Adeer, nice try, but weren't the same guy that started posting celebratory articles about Amnisom shelling on behalf of prince Shariff? The same guy that we recently found used to cheer for Ugandan and Sudanese troops to liberate Muqdisho for Abdullahi Yusuf in 2005. lol. Secondly, Umar Xashi was a soldier who got killed. get over it. stop wailing. we all know your concern is not with the innocent civilians that died alongside him, rather it is for him, the one who brought xabashis back to Somali soil and even boasted about it, because he was one of the best hopes the dying cheese caravan. ( anything else?) see yall another time.

@xiin, well I don't see Umar Xashi, a soldier, who was collecting a coalition of amhars and somali tribesman to rout Alshabab as an innocent Muslim. In fact, he used to call for Somalis that work with Amhars against the Somalis to be excuted. I guess the chicken came home to roost. Lakin, of course, Alshabab shouldn't kill 60 other Somali Muslims to get one man. So that is a error on their behalf. Though I DO remember you NEVER used to wail about similar operations during the Xabashi occupation,so I know you don't believe they target innocent civilians intentionally. As for the question why foreign troops: o So Gaalo waliged ma invade gareyn jirin Muslim lands? And they will always have a reason or group for an excuse. They have more bases even in the peaceful Muslim countries than Richard the Lionheart did during the crusades.

Abti, I asked you question, then you dodged it by a returning a question to me. I answered it. By the logic of debate, than means it's my turn to ask you a question: do you Xiinfanin support the call of the cheese caravan regime to request Xabashi and Kenyan soldiers? I am just curious to know where you stand as you weren't around last week when this was big news. Also, I don't want them to invade, by Allah, but your cheese caravan desperately does. ps. the answer to your question is Somalis themselves and Foreign forces who are shelling on behalf of one group. happy now?

^^ Still Waiting for an answer. I take the silence as an affirmative shall I, eh? :

Where have you been, adeerow? Seems like you have not come back as yourself. I never said that Kenyans are raping Somalis, rather I said your beloved Cheese Caravan has called for them along with Xabashi soldiers to occupy and rape poor Somalis. Now, you seemed to have gone into momentary exile when the cheese caravan regime made a desperate call for Xabashi soldiers within 24 hours and the emir Shariff endorsed. Remember how the entire cheese caravan was built around getting foreign soldiers out of Somalia and they used to walk out of meetings all because an ethio ambassador walked in. So now you're here, please do tell us: what do you think of the cheese caravan regimes call for Somalia to be reoccupied. Do you support it?

^^ I have heard about them massacring Somalis in their neck of the woods. But, No, I haven't seen them in Somalia, although we might do if your cheese caravan gets its wish for another occupation of SOmalia. Now, have a go@ my question. ps. Fabregas is a football( soccer) player not to do with the Italian month.

Originally posted by xiinfaniin: ^^have you seen any kenyans raping somalis? you see that is what i call empty talk. adeer you dont know what you are talking about, you talking about sharaf iyo dignity, yaa somalia ka hortaagan inay qaran noqoto yaa Faberaayo? What Qaran? The one your beloved Islamic government called for to be occupied and colonized By Xabashi and Kenyan soldiers? BTW: what do you think of the govarnanis call for foreign soldiers to rescue them, you support this?

WLC. Glad to see you showed your face when the Islamic government called for Somalia to be reoccupied and raped by Kenya, Ethiopia iyo Shayan o dan. And also when Shariff, the very man who used to claim that he made Xabashis withdraw with wisewords, endorsed this treacherous act.

I agree with you that this an unsuitable punishment for such young men living in a war torn country. They should have given them a lesser punishment or simply cancelled it whilst threatening to actually carry out such harsh punishment for any future robbers. But I do think the guys did probably commit this crime and Shababs are not doing it for PR; but, because they believe this is the salvation to deter Somalis from crime.

^^JZK for the correction Sheikh Nurow; It's not nafsul mutamaniah in Surah Fajr. I remember I used to recite to a brother and he used to correct me when I used to say, " yaayuhal nafsul mutmaniah. OZ& Bint Hamid; will do inshallah.

I will be strongly opposing this motion on behalf of milksheikh productionz. Be back, inshallah.

Sir MMI; I am afraid to say that your defense of the defendants in this gallery is indeed very timid and lacks any real evidence. The prosecution brings forth a number of evidences to the gallery: 1. The short audio which was posted by SOOL boy on this very thread. Clearly Mr Shariff states that the troops which were requested will come from IGAD. Are Ethiopia and Kenya not part of IGAD? Secondly, why did the defendant not distance himself from the call of the parliament if he is not fully supportive and in cahoots with their call?http://www.soma litalk.com/2009/jun/ 20ma09.html 2. A short video of the prime puppet calling for Kenyan, US and other foreign troops to invade Somalia has been posted on this ocassion. 3. The late Security minister, a personal friend and ally of Mr Shariff admitted in public that he had brought Xabashis to Somalia. 4. The Parliament has also called for them. Sir, the overwhelming evidence suggests that there is a high level of collaboration from the senior members of this regime, obviously including the "president himself". However, even I if am wrong and he is not supportive of this policy, then he should still immediately resign as there is no point of running a country if you are not aware of what your PM, Security M and parliament are doing. The Buck stops at the top. The implication of your defense is that the man is weak and has no control over his cabinet. Lastly, a remind myself and the other brothers and sisters of this poignant Quranic Ayahs: "O ye who believe! stand out firmly for justice, as witnesses to Allah, even as against yourselves, or your parents, or your kin, and whether it be (against) rich or poor: for Allah can best protect both. Follow not the lusts (of your hearts), lest ye swerve, and if ye distort (justice) or decline to do justice, verily Allah is well-acquainted with all that ye do." (4:135) "O ye who believe! Stand out firmly for Allah, as witnesses to fair dealing, and let not the hatred of others to you make you swerve to wrong and depart from justice. Be just: that is next to piety: and fear Allah. For Allah is well-acquainted with all that ye do." (5:8)

( What the future Palestinian "state" will look like)

mentally ill invidual.

^^ ma shariff? cimamadi iyo khamis bu turay.

Originally posted by LayZie G.: lol@abti johnny Fabre, paradise is that way >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Not before we find you a nice young mullah. I pictue you wearing a niqab in ten years time and calling yourself um fadumo 5 kids; oh how lovely. we just need to find a suitable mullah. Sorry Johnny B. ps. to what extent should France enforce "secular values"? Would they also even have the right to ban women from wearing simmple headscarfs? What about the prohibition of jalabeeb?

Originally posted by Johnny B: LG, Abti, The individual Arab female is demanded by her man to cover , hence the veil is forced on alot of women because of men's needs, and nothing whatsoever is religious about that. And you did a poll of Burqa wearers in France?

Originally posted by Bokero: Fab you still in the cave i see..nice to u hear from u again... i really hope you want the very best for your people as the west has afford you... I hope you're not calling my council estate a cave? waryey?As for living in the West: wa ardullah. Seriously, I am not suprised Ngonge hasn't trolled this thread with his famous stuff and nonsense . Yes, we know you ideologically hate Alshabab, Taliban and all the other Islamist groups. But apart from that, the rest of your post was full off emotional chestbeating and wailing. War hayaaaaaaaaay( i think this is kashafas line): Alshabab are amputating peoples legs; war hayaaaay: the Taliban are checking peoples armpits; war hayaay, " I have never been so worried for my people as I am now"( like Somalia was hunky dory before). War hayaay I haven't slept forty days and 40 nights( you didn't say it but you might as well have said it). And then, more war hayaaay, like": "To those brother and sisters from Puntaland and Somaliland, if there was anytime to unite against a common enemy it’s now".............. Question: who exactly are you calling to unite and fight the good fight; SOLERS, the people back home, Kenya, Ethiopia, America, Somalis united against extremists on faceboook? And when this supposed unity happens how will it military and politically effect the Somali people. I hope it is not one of those wonderful foreign liberations which the Somalis, Afghans Iraqis have been at the receiving end off.

Originally posted by Miskiin-Macruuf-Aqiy aar: C/raxmaan Ibbi meel uu ka yiri maleh Xabashi hala keeno dalka, neither labada Shariif. Find a news article ka codsanayaan dalka la keeno Xabashi. . Either you are not very clever or you are just trying to find excuses; I think it is the latter. The man accepted the request of his " parliament" to call for neighbouring and other international troops. He( your beloved Somali wadani) even stated that these troops would come from IGAD( Ethiopia and Kenya) and the Arab league( yeah right). He also said that they were not coming to inflict suffering on the population. You think the troops are coming from Czech Republic and Polan, lol? In any case, he is the leader of this entity

So there I was: staring at an empty, dusty wall, reminiscing about the poignant moments of my life and how I had come to be in this sorry predicament. That evening, as I got ready to switch off the lamp and retire to bed in the usual manner, a painful realisation dawned upon me: this repetitive and demoralising routine would be my life for the next two years. Despite the words of encouragement from my cell mate, an experienced criminal, I had come to accept the fact that life in prison Hawa (prison of desires) 234 would be long and difficult. Before I retell the stories and events I witnessed in prison, I think I should briefly recall how I ended up in prison, for no prisoner’s story is complete without this. To cut a long story short, I was played and misled by people who I thought were my own trusted homees: Iblis (also known as Shaytaan the unseen) and Nafusl Mutmainah (also known as the soul that inclines to evil). It all started at the age of around 14; precisely the day I tried my first Hawa Cigarette. At first it was a bit of harmfulness fun, but, then, as time went on, we became addicts of the desires (Hawa).We just could not stop ourselves. Some of my friends graduated to the school of calling to Munkar and forbidding the good gang which is led by a notorious group of unknowing Iblis followers. As for myself, I moved up the ranks and eventually became a loyal and soldier of the nafsul mutmainah crew (they operate on the Westside of Damascus). However, my addiction would soon catch up with me and I was busted one day by the law enforcement authorities. Luckily, and this is a bit of an oxymoron, the judge was lenient and sentenced me to two years in prison to be sent with fellow Hawa(lusts and desires) addicts. So that is the reason why I am staring at this empty, dusty Damascus Wall and praying that my cellmate doesn’t snore like he usually does……………In the next article I will relive some of the things I encountered in prison Hawa, my life changing meeting with a great scholar of Islam in the seclusion wing and my eventual release back into society.

^^ wa iyakum. I see you have alot of posts; Imtihal? what was your previous scarf( nick)?

Your title is erroneous; hijab isn't been banned.

This is mentioned in Surah Luqman of the Holy Quran, on which Ibn Kathir commented: "Luqman's Advice to His Son Allah tells us how Luqman advised his son. His full name was Luqman bin `Anqa' bin Sadun, and his son's name was Tharan, according to a saying quoted by As-Suhayli. Allah describes him in the best terms, and states that he granted him wisdom. Luqman advised his son, the closest and most beloved of all people to him, who deserved to be given the best of his knowledge. So, Luqman started by advising him to worship Allah Alone, and not to associate anything with Him": ( end of quote) 12. we bestowed (in the past) Wisdom on Luqman: "Show (thy) gratitude to Allah." Any who is (so) grateful does so to the profit of his own soul: but if any is ungrateful, verily Allah is free of all wants, Worthy of all praise. 13. Behold, Luqman said to his son by way of instruction: "O my son! join not in worship (others) with Allah. for false worship is indeed the highest wrong-doing." 14. And We have enjoined on man (to be good) to his parents: in travail upon travail did his mother bear him, and in years twain was his weaning: (hear the command), "Show gratitude to Me and to thy parents: to Me is (thy final) Goal. 15. "But if they strive to make thee join in worship with Me things of which thou hast no knowledge, obey them not; yet bear them company in this life with justice (and consideration), and follow the way of those who turn to me (in love): in the end the return of you all is to Me, and I will tell you the truth (and meaning) of all that ye did." 16. "O my son!" (said Luqman), "If there be (but) the weight of a mustard-seed and it were (hidden) in a rock, or (anywhere) in the heavens or on earth, Allah will bring it forth: for Allah understands the finest mysteries, (and) is well-acquainted (with them). 17. "O my son! establish regular prayer, enjoin what is just, and forbid what is wrong: and bear with patient constancy whatever betide thee; for this is firmness (of purpose) in (the conduct of) affairs. 18. "And swell not thy cheek (for pride) at men, nor walk in insolence through the earth; for Allah loveth not any arrogant boaster. 19. "And be moderate in thy pace, and lower thy voice; for the harshest of sounds without doubt is the braying of the as-s 12. we bestowed (in the past) Wisdom on Luqman: "Show (thy) gratitude to Allah." Any who is (so) grateful does so to the profit of his own soul: but if any is ungrateful, verily Allah is free of all wants, Worthy of all praise. ."

clueless Somalis.