"...whilst the streets of Andalusia ran with Muslim blood, the Jumuah khutbahs would focus on wudu, dhikr and other such innocuous topics." http://al-istiqamah.com/IF/BritKhut.htm

Ethiopia taking casualties doesn't neccesarily translate into them losing. Other nationd have taken far more casualties and still managed to curb insugencies. Secondly in any conflict many variables can change. Thus weli kow lama jogo!

I think this thread should be deleted!

http://muslimmatters.org/2007/11/02/good-khateebs-are-so-hard-to-find-these-days/

Alhamdulillah, we would like to introduce SaqibSaab as a new associate writer for MuslimMatters.org. He is from Chicago and also writes on his own blog. When was the last time you were absolutely thrilled to listen to a Jummah khutbah? If you’re like the majority of Muslims, you probably haven’t heard a solid khutbah in a long time. That’s because khateebs nowadays are lacking in so many ways vital to giving that solid khutbah we’re all wanting to hear. I asked some brothers what they felt was the #1 problem about Jummah khutbahs for them. Here’s some responses and reflections. Problem: “Reading off of a paper and not delivering from the heart…they’re boring!” The Jummah khutbah is the most opportune time to deliver a killer sermon and give the Muslims an intense Eman rush that lasts all week. Unfortunately, it’s also the most common time to hear a boring half hour long speech where someone is reading off an article printed from the internet. One of the Prophet’s (SAW) blessed teaching methods was that he never bored the people. Not every khateeb is going to be as good as the next, but that shouldn’t stop khateebs from striving their best to give better khutbahs. Imagine if a khateeb were to attend a seminar or read a book on effective speaking techniques. Not only would the community benefit, the speaker would rake in great reward for trying to do something for Allah with ihsan (excellence). Also many brothers complain about khateebs not being innovative enough in their topics. Or talking about the same old things week after week, focusing on less important issues (politics) and not giving anybody anything to go home with. One brother said: “Khateebs love to talk about how Muslims are so bad and [how the Ummah] has it so bad. There’s no emphasis on the positive being done, and no real effort to inspire people with hope and positive energy.” Problem: “Khateebs speaking outside their bounds not knowing their limits in terms of knowledge.” Sometimes the layman is put on the stage to address the Jama’ah on Friday. Next thing you know, a star is born who can speak words of silk and stir the hearts of the crowd. They’re not the most knowledgeable, but their delivery and influence on the people is higher than others. And then, of course, the people praise him so much that his ego gets inflated, Shaytan whispers to him, and we now have a khateeb who thinks he can do it all. He’s now lightning-quick to talk about issues and pass judgments and verdicts on things they have barely looked into or have little to no idea about. The words “haraam” and “halaal” flow off of their tongues without any second thought, all of which will occur even within the Jummah khutbah and afterwards when speaking to other laymen. Allah (SWT) tells us: “And pursue not that of which you have no knowledge; surely the hearing and the sight and the heart, all of these, shall be questioned about that.” (Surah Isra 17:36) If only out khateebs knew that they have to be very careful about what they say, maybe then we’d have more cautious khateebs. Problem: “Lack of Khateebs due to poor excuses.” This seems to be a problem particularly within the MSAs. The person in charge of finding khateebs is frustrated, because everyone he goes to ask says, “I don’t know enough about Islam and therefore I can’t/don’t want to give the khutbah,” or something pessimistic like, “I’m not pious enough.” A local MSA’s Jummah Coordinator said about this problem, “Look, we know none of us are scholars, and none of us are gonna give these mind-blowing, life-changing khutbahs. But, we can [at least] go up there and regurgitate a speech we’ve listened to by a scholar and reflect a bit on the Qur’an and Sunnah and share some reflections with an audience, it’s not that hard.” These young brothers are not only ignorant or “not pious enough” to give khutbahs, they also aren’t doing jack about it. The Prophet (SAW) said: “He who treads a path in search of knowledge, Allah will make easy for him a path from the paths of Paradise.” (Ahmad) If more Muslims realized that learning Islam is an easy ticket to Paradise and actually went out and learned their religion, we probably wouldn’t have such problem of Khateeb scarcity in the name of ignorance. Problem: “Khateebs with bad character.” A distant friend told me about one khateeb in his community. Famous for speaking throughout the MSAs in the area and even in various masajid, he’s known for being a role model for the people, both old and young. One day, my friend was accidently forwarded an Email from that very khateeb. The Email had an attachment of a supermodel, with the khateeb’s comments on how much he admired her beauty, physique, and more. Since that day, my friend has hestiated in ever hearing that khateeb give khutbah. From my understanding, the khutbahs are to be given by people of example. People of knowledge, people who can motivate the masses for change, and most importantly, people who are role models and leaders. SubhanAllah, what kind of leaders do we have standing at our minbars today? The other day a friend asked me how to advise someone who says, “Salah is between me and Allah (SWT) - that’s why I don’t pray.” Before I could look into some ways to help someone with such a mindset, my friend revealed the bad news. This argument on why one doesn’t need to pray came from someone who gives khutbahs in his community. If I’m supposed to get something out of the khutbah once a week, what could I possibly take from someone who has such serious problems? I can’t imagine much. Solution The problems with our khateebs are many and frightening, but the solution is simple. We need to realize the importance and power of Jummah. Every week the Muslims gather on Fridays, taking out time from their busy schedules to go for Jummah prayer. They come just to hear a couple words, only twenty minutes or so, after which they stand together to pray, filling the masjids and MSA rooms with numbers unfound at any other time during the week. This weekly experience can be the biggest way to charge the Eman of the Muslims. If people knew the importance of this day, then maybe they’d place some more effort into improving a key part of it, the khutbah. I leave you with a quote from one of the brothers I asked whom I asked What do you wish was different or better about MSA khateebs?: “I wish people realized that the khutbah is the weekly re-energizing for the community, whether it be at a Masjid or on campus. People come to get pumped up on Islam for the next week of trials and tribulations that they’ll undoubtedly come in contact with. Realize the importance, and that it’s not just something you where you can just read off your notes and walk away expecting people to be satisfied. Oh, and take criticism to heart, it helps us in the long run.” I ask Allah (SWT) to increase our knowledge, improve the abilities of our khateebs, forgive their sins, and help us give the Jummah khutba its due rights.

Originally posted by Naxar Nugaaleed: GJ, what they are fighting is dowladnimo not ethiopians. if they wanted to fight ethipians they would fight them in addis not xamar. if they were against ethio presence in somalia, they would have made agreements with the government that would have made unnecessary the need for foreign armies and peace keepers. but we do know that not only are they cause ethios coming to Somalia but we also know that they were never honest about seeking a negotiated settlement with the government. If you need proof of this, look at what happened in khartoum. Even worse, out of desperation they have taken in people like caydiid now who was fired for saying ethiopia and somalia will be one country. ICU is a joke! and so are those poor Eritreans who should be focusing on food production and badame rather then Somalia. You are right the first war wasn't between Ethiopians as such. But rather between the I.C.U and the various warlords. Once the warlords were defeated they were the ones that ran away to Adiss Ababa. Furthermore, the T.F.G welcomed the defeat of the warlords and even sacked some of them from their positions. However, they turned back on their word and all of a sudden thousands of Ethiopians and warlords starting locating around Badaibo. In your dictionary the T.F.G was in danger and our beloved Ethiopians saved from the "Jihadist" and "anarchists". But the fact is that a decision was taken to invade Somalia in june 2007. The minutes of these meeting in Adiss Ababa have been obtained by media and it clearly shows the Americans and Ethiopian took a joint decision to oust the I.C.U. This has nothing to do with dowladnimo and the T.F.G. The Ethiopians crossed the border as soon the anti terror alliance was defeated as thousands of Somali witnesses reported in the Ocaden region. All the T.F.G had to do was say that they didn't want to take part or take sides in the conflict between the warlords and simply watch as the various groups fought each other. They would have come as respectable and honourablem. But as I said before, they chose to welcome and entertain thousands of warlord and Ethiopian troops at Badaibo. After this the I.C.U had every right to resist and defend themselves against the aggression posed at them. You are telling me this is about government. I agree with you, a government through its' own parliament declared war on a rival group. Which country was this? Ethiopia! So how can you say the I.C.U didn't have the right to do the same against them? What did you expect them do? Why should they go to Adiss Ababa, when the Ethiopian parliament declared war against them in their own land? It would defy all human logic to travel all the way to Adiss Ababa when there are thousands of Ethiopians right on your doorstep. As for Khartoum, the T.F.G didn't speak with their own logic or rationale. Rather they came with the words of their saviours, namely the Ethiopians. How could negotiate with them, when they were harbouring the very same people whom declared war against the I.C.U? Some of the T.F.G even came to table claiming that there were no Ethiopian troops in Somalia! It's like going to reconcile with your neighbours whilst your other enemies are busy in his own kitchen plotting your downfall. Imagine if you walked into the kitchen and you saw those very enemies preparing and sharpening their tools and your neighbour tells you " oh those are some friends who came to train me". Well this is exactly what the T.F.G did! If dowladnimo is a so called Somali cabinet meeting being disrupted by young Ethiopian soldiers at gunpoint; if it is them occupying Muqdisho mosques; and if is them witholding food aid from starving Somalia. Then surely you must understand that Some Somalis are not in favour of this type of "dowladnimo!

Originally posted by GJ: If there was don't be surpirsed if mysterious jets bomb the living daylight out of Eitrea's military and political insitutions. quote:Ethiopia(America?) also has been building up its air force and jamming Eritrean radar, according to a U.S. government source, who speculated that Ethiopia may strike by air in the Eritrean capital, Asmara, hoping to topple the government there.

Even though the occupiers are facing a great deal of casualties, there i isn't anything to celebrate about Somalia right know! The nation is heading for one of its worst humanatarian disasters ever. And the world will watch because this is the war against "terror" remember!

quote:All of these news trends and events about the plight of our people have coincided primarily with Eritrea's declaration of sponsoring violence in Somalia. So which sponsored and armed the various warlords in Somalia over the past sixteen years was it Ethiopia or Eritrea?

Originally posted by Naxar Nugaaleed: maxa beenta isaga sheegeysan? we all know they are not trying fight ethiopians Perhaps you know something we don't know. Because only you know that they are not "trying fighting Ethiopians". But you assmumed that we know what you know to be true. Next time you assume that everybody else knows what you know, explain to them how you came to know of this truth.You know what am saying dude

When the media runs such headlines as " Ethiopia/Eritrea to go to war". What it actually means is that Ethiopia backed by the rest of the world will take on the tiny state of Eritrea. But I doubt there will be a war that soon as this organization is implying. If there was don't be surpirsed if mysterious jets bomb the living daylight out of Eitrea's military and political insitutions. Of course if there was such plans underway Eritrea opposition which includes Muslims, Democrats and Evangelicals is probably being groomed right now. One could also expect manipulation of the United Nations by labeling Eritrea as a sponsor of Somali terrorists. As for solutions for the Horn answer: There is no solution and none of you have it(f there was one)! All these leaders and organizations and leaders have chosen the bullet and the bomb to be ther motto, only if you guys could persuade them otherwise!

Not another one of those regime changes!

Originally posted by Baashi: Somalia is not occupied. Benadir is. Bay, Bakool, Hiiraan, the two Shabeele's, the two Juba's, Gedo, Galgaduud, PL, and SL residents made crystal clear where they stand. None of them wants to lift their faryareey. They don't want to help Benadir residents out. According to their actions, that fight is not theirs. They couldn't care less if the whole place is put in the furnace! Why??????????????? Perhaps you have an answer in mind?

quote:You fear for the future, and you fear that once the south is magically pacified According to you how many years/decades will it take for the South to be "magically pacified"?

This is good propoganda me thinks! quote:Ethiopia deploys more troops to Somalia Publication time: 3 November 2007, 17:40 Ethiopia deployed more its occupation troops to the Somali capital on Saturday a day after the fighters of Islamic Courts paraded what they said were the bodies of three Ethiopian occupants in the streets of Mogadishu, witnesses said. Six tanks and about 60 military trucks packed with troops were seen entering Mogadishu. The deployment comes a day after Shabab, the armed wing of the main Somali Islamic movement, displayed the bodies of Ethiopian occupation troops they had killed in northern Mogadishu. It was not clear whether the fresh deployment was linked to the display of bodies. Ethiopian invaders have been venturing deeper into the streets of Islamic bastions in recent days in a bid to break the back of an insurgency that has plagued efforts to stabilise the puppet transitional government for months. The Ethiopian occupation army came to the rescue of the e mbattled Somali puppet government last year to oust an Islamic fighters that briefly controlled large parts of the country and sought to impose Islamic law. The Islamic Courts Union was swiftly defeated earlier this year, but its remnants and allied tribes have since waged a guerrilla war against their enemies. Kavkaz Center

quote:Cali Jimcaale Cabdi ayaa gaaray magaalada Adis Ababa si uu kulamo ula yeesho masuuliyiinta dalka Itoobiya kahor inta aan si rasmi ah loogu magacaabin xilkaasi. mmmmmmm

Originally posted by BarigaSanaag: Muqdhisho and Somalia is occupied today because of a certain people who hold the country hostage for 17 years. Dont blame the xabahis blame the fake wadaads who said they would celebrate Eid in Addis Abeba ------------------------------------------- But these NGO's can go to hell they are just like Gheedi cashing in on others . Quote of the Year: "Don't blame Ethiopia, don't blame the TFG, sure as heck don't blame my Adeeros..umm, blame Satan and the wadaads with red cimaamds"

Abdullah is the saint and Geedi is the devil!

Originally posted by Seekknowledge: I don't see any difference between Ethiopians, ONLF TFG and ICU they are all the same. Fatah_Al_Soomaal you want us to support your clan even if they are killing more than our long time enemy. Saxiib,let us be honest with each other. You see the I.C.U and O.N.L.F as terrorists whom hampering the progress of Ethiopia and the T.F.G in respective regions. You admitted this much in our last discussion. As for my clan raping people and killing whilst I support them, let me ask you: who is my clan?

Of course the Wadaads must have been heavily armed with Kitabs and radios! I await to see the views of those who were lecturing about "unislamic" behaviour!

And no bodies were actually dragged! The bodies were paraded and brought to Muqdisho streets in order that the Ethiopians exchange their dead bodies for Somali prisoners. Thus they got to bury and take their dead men, whilst Somalis were released. Happy ending I say!

How can we allow a chritian dubious organisation estabilish in one of our regions ? How can we allow and some of you support a Christian nation to occuply our land and some of you cheerlead for it?

Originally posted by Seekknowledge: ONLF The O represents the name of the land unlike the ICU which represents one clan with different branches. ONLF had the support of all the people till they started using tribes as a weapon just as ICU did. It wouldn't matter anyway because you believe that they are both terrorists opposing the friendly state of Ethiopia! Let us not hide behind clan, clan iyo tribe this.....runta ha la isku sheego!

Originally posted by Seekknowledge: Did they parade all the innocent somalis they killed to get these three? What Islam says about the respect of dead bodies whether muslims or not? When a clan decides to use the name Islamic doesn't mean they are following Islam. The Ethiopian troops and the T.F.G militias were the ones that fired at innoncent civilians so get your facts straight mate! If you think the T.F.G militias are innoncent, that is a whole ball different game!

quote:Togdheer made a tremendous development weather it is Geopolitics and Socioeconomics. quote:The recent Somaliland achievement to Las Anod quote:is not just seem as the mission was accomplished quote:Somaliland is not responsible the rapidly worsening reduction situation in the region faced for the last ten years quote:It does matter economically or socially