Somalia is next, they have been their years......

I would have thought that the sentiments he aired in the last part of his audio would have grabbed the headlines and it woud have made great propoganda for his enemies. Also he seems to be raising the stakes against the group in Asmara, by clearing the objectives of his group which differ from those in Asmara.....

I remember in one of the olympics, an Italian was leading a road race and some guy came out nowhere and restrained him......marka kuwi kala dhafay ....the poor man came third...

But why would Somaliland be interested or need the defeat of Ethiopia? I mean, if you were a leader sitting in Hargeysa which of the entities below would YOU rank highest in terms of posing a threat to Somaliland: O.N.L.F Alitixaad, I.C.U Puntland Eritrea Ethiopia If I was a Somaliland leader Ethiopia would probably be at the bottom of that least..that is if we talkingg in terms of Zero sum Games without the morality..

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/more/11/14/bc.run.runnerinterferen.ap/index.html

Originally posted by Northerner: Nice thread and good timing PM: to be campained for Minister for Information: JB Interior: Castro Education: Nur Development/Transport/Sport: Northerner Defence: Kashafa Foriegn: Xubeer Women/Youth: Agriculture/Water: Geel Jire (its the name saxib, its the name ) Oil Minister: Hmmm, Djib Somali Arab League Rep: Ngonge In that case I would make you: Wasiirka kubada cagta iyo fish and chipska

@Khalaf, nobody said that Somalia is ardul Sham. I was just giving you an example and I even used the example of the O.N.L.F movement. There is starvation, fitanh and killing on a mass scale. But who takes the overall blame for the chaos, the one that came to occupy or that one simply defended himself? Why do you makde Duas for the O.N.L.F to struggle against Ethiopia and not the people in Muqdisho? Are the O.N.L.F not creating Fitnah by not negotiating with the "legitimate" government of Ocadenia and Somali federal government? What is the difference between the O.N.L.F and I.C.U? Secondly, nobody is dreaming here and nobody sane Somali wishes for the bloodshed to continue in Somalia. Do you seriously think those of us who live in comfort in the West want to see the bloodshed continue because of our pride and egos? Everybody wants to see negotiation, peace and reconcialiation. All of us are for negotiation between warring groups. But nobody wants to Somalia to go back into "colonial style protectorate" like you wish to happen. Nor does everybody wish Somalia to be occupied, invaded and then nobody says anything apart from stating the bleeding obvious: " hey I am for negotiation". If you have another solution to deal with the Ethiopian occupation, the let us hear it! Lastly,I don't want to really get into another meaningless debate about the I.C.U. But I do believe that your assertations in your reply were severely flawed and seemed somewhat clanish. You went as far as charachterizing the I.C.U as being nothing but the U.S.C, when infact the I.C.U gave back properties that were looted by the U.S.C themselves; when the I.C.U(unlike U.S.C) got recruits from every single Somalia; and got Fatwas from major Somali Ulema. I also showed you how flawed your claims about the " haters" whom are the supporting the I.C.U and other Somalis to defend themselves being nothing other than U.S.C sympathizers and Somalilanders. By the simple fact of the people on this forum whom hail from different clans and regions such as Xiin,Nur,M.M.I,Me and various other whom are neither USC sypathisers nor Somalilanders. Thus,Mr Khalaf, Somalia might be a dirty, qabilist and unwanted state, but not all Somalis are Qabilists nor are all Somalis resisting because of their clan. I know if you make yourself believe then perhaps the Ethiopian occupation can simply be dismiised as proxy war between Somalia clans, as some of you like to wish!

Nur: Spritual leader Kashafa: Wasiirka Jihadka iyo Ambushka M.M.I: Wasiirka Dhaqanka iyo la dagaalanka Xabashida ME: Wasiirka Somalinimada just joking... ha ha

Originally posted by Khalaf: [qb] GJ/AfricaOne and Madam Nomadqiue leave the child games at the playground cool? If u been watching me for an entire year then u will be familiar with the fact that I always speak mind and never dance for no crowd in this case an online crowd lol can I get lame? I have said nothing that I haven’t said in the past. Yes, you got all emotional and went into a rant about Puntland being disrespected and whatnot. You even went as far as declaring: quote:marka hadeey ruunta sheegaysiin keep puntland out yo mouths ya dig Is there any particular reason that people should keep their mouths out of Puntland other than this is your particular clanish region? I agree with you the article was a complete load of nonsense, it didn't have any particular point or relevance to it. Had it called on the leaders of Bay and Bakool, Somaliland, Hiiraan, Gedo and the Ocaden area to do the same, then perhaps it would have a point. But I understand with the history of Abdullahi Yusuf and him being the most visible and famous leader of the T.F.G ppl(wrongly) will point fingers at his clansmen the most.But Mr Khalaf you didn't answer or refute what the article said, rather you went of on a what seemed like too many a clanish outburst of sorts. quote:was it puntland that for 17 years continued the looting/killing/rapings in the South eh? Was it puntland that after finally obtaining peace and stablity...that made the ICU idio!ts go gun-*** on ppl like crazy addicts, parade the women and children in the streets and declare war on neighboring states eh? No it wasn't Puntland that did what happened in the South. But that point is completely irrelvant because nobody blamed Puntland for that debacle. We are talking about what is happening today(2007 no). Did Puntland not send troops to fight alongside the Ethiopians? Yes or no? If the answer is no and Puntland is clearly playing a role in the Muqdisho and infact playing a significant role in aiding the Ethiopians, then how can you instruct people to keep silent or shut their mouths about Puntland(leaders)? As for the I.C.U going crazy and declaring war against a neighbouring state, they never did such a thing. They declared war against an Army that invaded their country and vowed to crush them. You and I know that this sunnah of Muhamad saw, and I challenge anyone to come with their fatwas and refute this! quote: odeyashaa beesha xamar and the cats in asmara uu sheega negotiate with the establishment and this international backed effort, the same establishments that has peace deals with Puntland and Somaliland, well Hergaysa and Garowe look a lot better then Xamar about right now... The fact that Hargeysa and Garowe look peaceful mean nothing to this dicussion and actually it doesn't prove anything. Palestine and South Lebanon were were at war with Israel whilst Dubai, Saudi Arabia and Jordan were enjoying peace. All it meant is that Saudi Arabia and others sold out and surrendered to their enemy whilst Reer Palestine and South Lebanon had suffering and mass humans rights violations. You can't blame Reer Palestine and South Lebanon for the Chaos that happens in their land because they are defending their land. Just like Reer Ocadenia, they are in the defensive, thus any killing, starvation and humans rights violation that takes place rests solely with the occupier. You can't attempt to burgal a mans house and then blame him for everything that breaks, if he struggles with you.Is this logical? I remember you were explaining to some one that O.N.L.F can't negotiate with Ethiopia because they won't meet their demands. How comes reer Muqdisho have to "negotiate" as you say and surrender to the "international backed" mission, which a simply way of telling Reer Muqdisho to surrender and get on board with the Ethiopians and the T.F.G? Why do you advocate for reer ******ia to defend themselves and pray for them succeed in their liberaton effort, but not the efforts of Reer Muqdisho and the Somalis that are aiding them? Perhaps critcism of Puntland is too hard to stomach for some? quote: sit back and wait for the haterz to bring it. Hmmm who will be the first one tolow? .....Will it be USC sympathizers (opps how clumsy of me i meant the ICU freedom fighter supporters)...or the instigators (opps what has gotten into me....i meant the concerned brothers from Somaliland ) I gather you means "Haters" as ppl who are hating on "Puntland" a.k.k your clan? It seems you have been swallowing some of the clanish nonsense fromt the Puntland brigade on this forum. You played the classic line of the evil " U.S.C" and " Seccionist supporters" whom are out to get the holy land of Somalia( read Puntland). Let me tell you many Somali Ulema have given their Fatwas regarding the liberation of Somali including several prominent ones from Puntland. Do you think these Ulema are giving fatwas for USC? Do you think the Somalis who walked on foot all the way from Ocadenia,N.F.D; and those that travelled from Puntland in december lasy year to take part in the war effort were fighting for U.S.C? Perhaps Sheikh Jiiqle( may allah grant him Jannah) who was martyred defending his deen was fighting for U.S.C? Or perhaps all the Somali clerics and Wadaads who were being hunting by the Warlords were fighting for U.S.C? Perhaps those Somalilanders who travelled from Burco and beyond to assist their brothers against the Ethiopians only came because to further the agenda of Riyaale? Thus your prediction about USC haters and Secessionists was completely wrong and paranoid. Because, I a man from Lasanod and and you can consider me as Puntlander, well until last month Somaliland took my home town you see. I guess I am considered a Somalilander now? But I am neither a Somalilander not Puntlander, I am a man from North Central Somalia to be precise. As for USC sympathisers, Nur, M.M.I, Xiin, Dhubad etc are they all U.S.C sympathisers of they boogey Somalilanders with a hidden agenda? Baal noo sheeg, Walaal.... And so long as Puntland leaders are aiding and abetting Zenawi; so long as they are watching innoncents drawn in the Ocane; and so long as they are celebrating whilst other Somalis are bombed even in Puntland( Bargaal). The they will condemned for ever and ever! If you want ppl to stop "hating" on Puntland, then my friend your gonna have to start acting and writing against the leaders that give your state(clan, whatever) a bad name!

You predicted that Somalia would have peace by March or April 2006.......

It is becoming a Somali custom to send women and children to clean the streets when you takeover a district.... remember the Islamic Courts and even Makhir state....?

patronizing to say the least...

I volunteered at an event were lots of Somalis women attended wit childen(chaos).....one women even said to a younger Somali girl " naya caar dibada uu soo bax xxxxxxxxxxx gabadheyda baa ku sugeysa...xxxxx. hadaan lagu rif-rifin... p.s The problem with such events is that it is hard to organise with such large numbers(impatient and rude as well) and still maintain an Islamic atmosphere....

quote:someone corosses the border of the humanity lolllllllllllll ha ha ha lollllll Were is this border of humanity located? Lasanod mise Garowe... I mean you pas Lasanod was finish so maha?

First topic: Lugaha caatada sida Muruqyaal looga soo saro... Topic 2: Halganka Bidaarta lala galo.....

I recall Riyaale arresting some ppl for disrespect or something, was it?

Pope Benedict and Mahmoud Abbas, two ppl i extremely dislike in world politics....

My college teacher used to think that I was a Marxist and too left wingish. I did try to give Dacwah one time, but he kindl decline the offer....

I don't think those things are unexpected from a dictator, after all that is what dictators do. If he dies tommorow, then there will be a equally worser younger warlord.But the sad thing is the people who wait for hours everytime he arrives at heathrow airport; then host a lavish ceremony for him; and finally collect some Hakbad money for him from single mothers as a going away present. Whilst being heedles of any crimes he commited or any criticism that comes his way.

No space for Islamic fundamentalist?

and indeed in his mind the nomads,fishers and farmers who were cut up were nothing for they didn't belong to his clan family, the so-called family i'm suppossed to belong to.(dirty clan families) I don't think he particularly cares for his clan. He caused bloodshed when he refused to step in Puntland and when Bargaal(Puntland) was bombed the PL authority and their sympathisers hailed this as a defeat against terrorism.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B0y9nvj70xc For thos you like conspiracy theories Disclaimer: this video doesn't reflect the opinions or views of the nomadic urban BritMali known as GeelJire!

Originally posted by Emperor: Abdi Qasim Salaat Hassan, A USC/ICU/UIC thinkthank, former TNG Arta head... The then quite man behind that killer machine of this tragic tale is now (2007) calling for a peaceful coexistance, restraint and tolerance... a lot have changed since... Listen: Abdiqasim Salaat - Radio Maandeeq we the Somali people mourn and remember those died in that tragic event and hence must held accountable and punish those responsible to avoid it happening ever again anything like it.. Talk about opportunism! It must be a coincidence that you resurrected this thread simultaneously with what is going in Muqdisho

Originally posted by Khalaf: quote:Patriotic Somalis from around the world have stood up against Ethiopia but Puntland is blocking our freedom. These damn house niggas naga taaga...Puntland blocking our freedom kulaha.....was it puntland that for 17 years continued the looting/killing/rapings in the South eh? Was it puntland that after finally obtaining peace and stablity...that made the ICU idio!ts go gun-*** on ppl like crazy addicts, parade the women and children in the streets and declare war on neighboring states eh? going on international airwaves threatening to sack cities eh? was it puntland that made u do that? I don't think so jalleyal what did they expect war daadkaan caqli xuuma........marka hadeey ruunta sheegaysiin keep puntland out yo mouths ya dig and...odeyashaa beesha xamar and the cats in asmara uu sheega negotiate with the establishment and this international backed effort, the same establishments that has peace deals with Puntland and Somaliland, well Hergaysa and Garowe look a lot better then Xamar about right now...get smart and stop playing games with the lives of innocent people...or else continue this sucidal shiz nit...and destroy the city more and leave a population of cripples....yall call not Puntlands ya dig.......march on "freedom fighters" and free somalia, maybe a few more thousand dead and hundred more thousands displaced will help u achieve that feat.....in the end u still gonna be with left with a divided somalia and were u started. I sit back and wait for the haterz to bring it. Hmmm who will be the first one tolow? .....Will it be USC sympathizers (opps how clumsy of me i meant the ICU freedom fighter supporters)...or the instigators (opps what has gotten into me....i meant the concerned brothers from Somaliland ) Yall aint fooling no one ya dig...one little fact dis TFG/ICU all of it is mainly from the host area...marka nice try sxbyalll....the arguments and nac nacs are lame and repetitive........if one supports peace and stablity then that can only happen through diplomacy and not continuing of war. This is good, but it took almost a year to come out and say what was really in your mind!

Ban Ki Moon,The leader of the United Imperial Nations, recently admitted that no United(imperial) peacekeepers would be sent to Somalia. The reason being? Well,.. ehm ehm Somalia is to " dangerous", too many guns iyo bombs ma fahanteen? Well, switch back to this time last year and something extraordinary happened. The United States through the United Imperial Nations passed a resolution lifting the arms embargo under the pretext that it would be needed to bring peacekeepers to Somalia. Thus a 6 month peace was shattered when the Ethiopians tanks rolled into Somalia blessed by the international imperial community. Even more extraordinary is that the United Imperial Nations actually broke their own resolution which declared that "no Neighbouring" countries in IGAD could send troops into Somalia. In short, the United Imperial Nations sponsored the invasion of Somalia, broke their own rules and called for more guns into a chaotic poor country. A year later after the illegal invasion, after thousands of Somalis have been uprooted from their homes, killed and detained; the leader of the United Imperial Nations calls for a "robust" force consisting of a "coalition of the willing. It is ironic that he should use such words, after all it was the coalition of the willing that prayed to Jesus(Blair and Bush), lied to the world and caused the never ending violence in Iraq. I wonder if God told Bush to send the Ethiopians to Somalia and bring them their "democracy"? What about the International media and the so called International community? They seem more concerned about Benazir Bhuto's daily movements or a few protestors being shot in Burma. Those are the martyrs of democracy, freedom and human rights. But when innoncent Somalis are rounded up and slaughtered it was only a missile or bullet that hit a "suspected Islamist hideout". It seems all the rules are thrown out of the window when one is "suspected(not convicted)" of being and Islamist. I wonder if the young lad who executed in Muqdisho whilst he was reciting Quran in a Masjid is a legtimate target and a "suspected" Islamist? The surah from the Quran concerning the companions of the ditch comes to mind: 7. And they witnessed (all) that they were doing against the Believers. 8. And they ill-treated them for no other reason than that they believed in Allah, Exalted in Power, Worthy of all Praise!- 9. Him to Whom belongs the dominion of the heavens and the earth! And Allah is Witness to all things. 10. Those who persecute (or draw into temptation) the Believers, men and women, and do not turn in repentance, will have the Penalty of Hell: They will have the Penalty of the Burning Fire. 11. For those who believe and do righteous deeds, will be Gardens; beneath which rivers flow: That is the great Salvation, (the fulfilment of all desires),