Originally posted by NGONGE: ^^ The days of having a woman Prime Minster in Pakistan were long gone, saaxib. One has to point the finger at the only group that openly threatned to kill her, Tora Bora that way >>>>> That could well be the case, but you know blaming the C.I.A or some other conspiracy theory makes for better sales of books and movies ten years from now. Which wouldn't be any interesting to the masses if they were told some skinny Mullah with a walking stick planned it all from Torah Borah! Am sure someone is probably in the processing of designing a wesbite called "thetruthaboutbenazir.com". But I have to say her popularity amongst the people was being hyped up by the media! She appeared to be working for other peoples interests...

Originally posted by NGONGE: quote:Originally posted by Laba_Xiniinyood: ^^ Quite the contrary infact - Bhutto was leading the election race with majority of the population in her favour. Though it would not appear to be in Musharraf's advantage to assassinate her, yet her death indicates a clear victory for his party. It is also imperative to state that she was killed before the explosion by a gunman. How could it be a clear victory by his party when HE is accused of killing her? Surely that would mean most of her supporters will stick with their own Party and vote for her replacement rather than voting for the president's party! Her death is a disaster for Musharraf's government. This is Pakistan saxiib, you know there isn't gonna be a vote in the real sense of the word. The elections might be canceled and even if there was an election, Musharaf would come out as a majority winner with 85% of the vote! Musharaf will ask the Americans and the Western governments to support him and standby by him as the country is being attacked by Alqaeda, pointing to this assisination! They will have little choice but to keep supporting them and back his grip on Pakistan!That is, unless they can groom another leader with the same charisma and leadership like Bhutto! Which is highly unlikely.They can't afford for Musharaf to be killed too. So he has the privilege of being "ninki rerka u soo hadhey". I wouldn't exactly call this a disaster!

Originally posted by Geel_Jire12: Guevera. I dont agree with the students and the Bin Laden ideology which is controlling some sections of Pakistani Society. However, I disagree with you that Musharaf handled this issue well. Believe this is not the end of this matter....Musharaf has alot of blood his hands and one day the tables will turn against him and his army. Pakistan could well be the next major front for the war on terror. Lastly, actions such as these will create more madaras like Lal Masjid.

Abtigiis, the guy is young, but that is not an execuse as most of us are youn here 2. Secondly, I can tell that he is ill-informed and confused by the way he constructs his arguments. The lad has already agreed that some of the more religously knowledgeable brothers will engage in some private and public discussion with him. I have already told him to post his thoughts in the Islamic section and stop flooding the forum, to which he has already agreed and kindly apologised. So I don't think he should be banned, just let him post his views in the Islamic section and Inshallah the discussion will be fruitful. His views are not that suprising given the mass migration of Somalis to the West and the collective punishment that Allah swt is inflicting on Somalis and disgracing them for all the crimes they have commited. If anything, I am worried about the Somalis Muslims that use Allah swt and the Prophet saw everytime they swear and insult, eg "nabigaga iyo ilahag xxx". Or the Somalis that rejoiced and celebrated at the massacre of innoncent Somalis by Ethioipia all because they belonged to another tribe! I am more saddened at the Muslims in Somalia who were treated like Slaves and outcastes; who then converted to Christianity and moved to America as the missionaries had given them food and welcomed them with open arms. Somalia is supposedly 100% Muslims, but it is hardly a great advertisement for Islam, is it? So it's our shame and our responsibility when our youngsters develop such views!Rather then censoring them and banishing them! The prophet Nuh and all the other anbiya confronted and called those to insulted to the submission of Allah swt: 1. We sent Noah to his People (with the Command): "Do thou warn thy People before there comes to them a grievous Penalty." 2. He said: "O my People! I am to you a Warner, clear and open: 3. "That ye should worship Allah, fear Him and obey me: 4. "So He may forgive you your sins and give you respite for a stated Term: for when the Term given by Allah is accomplished, it cannot be put forward: if ye only knew." 5. He said: "O my Lord! I have called to my People night and day: 6. "But my call only increases (their) flight (from the Right). 7. "And every time I have called to them, that Thou mightest forgive them, they have (only) thrust their fingers into their ears, covered themselves up with their garments, grown obstinate, and given themselves up to arrogance. 8. "So I have called to them aloud; 9. "Further I have spoken to them in public and secretly in private, 10. "Saying, 'Ask forgiveness from your Lord; for He is Oft-Forgiving; Surah 71. Nuh (Noah)

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/7161590.stm

Why should he be banned? This an open public forum.

Saxiib, I didn't say Oromos are Habash. But they fall under the bracket of Ethiopians! I did know know some Habashis from college and I said they hanged around with Somalis and they are normal(cool people) people like me and you. In fact the Eritreans that you are talking about such as Tirgranya and others can be considered as Habashis. Some Muslims also fall under the category of Habashis such as those who live in the Northern Territory. All am saying is that Somalis have to be careful in stereotyping a whole group of people and demonizing them based on the actions of their army and political leaders. Islam doesn't allow racism, prideful nationalism and believing one is superior to other ethnicities. And again, I'm not accusing you of doing any of these things!

@Nur, this is what one of the leaders of the Chechnyans recently said: quote:I would like to remind the fact that many Muslims are inclined to forget: Russian kafirs (infidels) have occupied our land and swinish life is being imposed on us for a long period of time. This is a punishment of Allah because we have moved away from his right path, because nothing could happen in the world without the will of Allah, praise to Him the AlmightyOnly imagine, how Allah is incensed at us, taking into consideration the fact that he's send this nation on us. The nation, which is considered to be the most contemptible and the poorest among the kafirs............Allah says that He does not change the condition of people until they change themselves. Bal Sheikhow what about us, how much Dambi and fitnah we and our people must have commited in our land? One of the leaders of the Abysnians during the time of Imam Ahmad Gurey told his people that the reason this onslaught was affecting them was because they had been oppressing the minorities in their land and whatnot, ie breaking all the rules of their religion! I make dua that Allah accepts the repentance of our people and guides them to the straight path, Ameen!

A.J, AC Milan are not in the form that they have been in the last couple of years. I watched them against Inter Milan and they had nothing special.In fact one the commentators said they simply wanted to pass the ball to Kaka and let him something magical. So I do fancy Arsenal to beat Milan. Arsenal have beaten Inter Milan and Roma in the past and this time if they go @ Milan with total pace like Liverpool did during the second half of the champions league final,then Milan will concede goals. But if they succumb to Ac Milan'game, ie to slow down the game and attempt to snatch a goal via Inzaghi or Kaka, then it's their game for the talking.

this is uneeded... it is already been discussed in the Islamic section....

i think he recognizes the camels... wey ka lumen..

This shuld be in the politics section

A Muslim Message of Thanks and of Christmas Greetings, December 2007 In the Name of the God, the Compassionate, the Merciful May God bless Muhammad and his kin just as He has blessed Abraham and his kin Al-Salaamu Aleikum; Peace be upon you; Pax Vobiscum Peace be upon Jesus Christ who says: Peace is upon me the day I was born, the day I die, and the day I am resurrected (Chapter of Mary; the Holy Qur’an; 19:34). During these joyful holidays we write to you, our Christian neighbors all over the world, in order to thank you truly for the beautiful and gracious responses that we Muslims have been receiving from the very first day we issued our invitation to come together to ‘A Common Word’ based on ‘Love of God and love of neighbor’ (see www.acommonword.com for the document and the responses). We thank you and wish you all a joyous and peaceful Christmas Holiday Season commemorating the birth of Jesus Christ . We Muslims bear witness that: There is no god but God, without associate, and that Muhammad is His Servant and Messenger, and that Jesus is His Servant, His Messenger, His Word cast to Mary, and a Spirit from Him …. (Sahih Bukhari, Kitab Ahadith al-Anbiya’) We pray, during these blessed days, which happen to coincide with the Muslim feast of the Hajj or Pilgrimage, commemorating the faith of the Prophet Abraham , that the New Year may bring healing and peace to our suffering world. God’s refusal to let Abraham  sacrifice his son—granting him instead a ram—is to this day a Divine warrant and a most powerful social lesson for all the followers of the Abrahamic faiths, to ever do their utmost to save, uphold and treasure every single human life and especially the lives of every single child. Indeed, it is worthy of note that this year Muslim scholars issued a historical declaration affirming the sanctity of human life—of every human life—as an essential and foundational teaching in Islam upon which all Muslim scholars are in unanimous agreement (see details at: www.duaatalislam.com ).

The Star PARIS (Reuters) - Leading Muslim scholars have addressed warm Christmas greetings to Christians around the world, a message notable both for what it said and the fact that it was sent at all. The greetings, sent by a group of 138 Sunni, Shi'ite, Sufi and other scholars who recently proposed a dialogue with Christian leaders, called for peace on earth and thanked church leaders who have responded positively to their invitation. The message, as the dialogue proposal made in October, was unprecedented because there has not been until now such a large group of Islamic scholars that could draft a common letter. Islam is a decentralised faith, with no pope or archbishop who can speak for believers as a group. While individual Muslim clerics have exchanged holiday greetings with Christians in the past, nothing on this scale has been possible before. "Al-Salaamu Aleikum, Peace be upon you, Pax Vobiscum," the greetings letter began in Arabic, English and Latin. The text is available on the group's Web site www.acommonword.com. It noted that Christmas came just after the Muslim haj pilgrimage to Mecca and the Feast of Sacrifice (Eid al Adha) recalling how the Prophet Abraham almost sacrificed his son. "God's refusal to let Abraham sacrifice his son ... is to this day a divine warrant and a most powerful social lesson for all followers of the Abrahamic faiths, to ever do their utmost to save, uphold and treasure every human life and especially the lives of every single child," it said. "May the coming year be one in which the sanctity and dignity of human life is upheld by all," it added. "May it be a year of humble repentance before God and mutual forgiveness within and between communities." PLANS FOR DIALOGUE The conciliatory tone echoed that of the October appeal, which said Muslims and Christians should hold a serious dialogue on the basis of their shared commandments to love God and love one's neighbour. The group, linked to an Islamic research institute headed by Jordanian Prince Ghazi bin Mohammed bin Talal, wants a serious dialogue between Christian and Muslim theologians to help bridge a gulf in understanding between the religions. It began in reaction to Pope Benedict's 2006 Regensburg lecture, taken to imply Islam was violent and irrational. The Muslims first corrected what they said was his misunderstanding of their faith and then proposed a dialogue with all Christian leaders. Most Christian churches have responded positively. In an letter to the Vatican, Prince Ghazi has proposed sending a few Muslim scholars to Rome in February or March for initial talks with the world's largest Christian church. The scholars also plan to meet Christian leaders at several conferences coming up next year to launch the long-term dialogue. Some Catholic officials have expressed scepticism about the idea, saying differences between the two faiths were too great for any real dialogue, but Prince Ghazi urged them to seek agreement where they could for the sake of the common good. "We, like you, also consider complete theological agreement between Christians and Muslims inherently not possible by definition, but still wish to seek and promote a common stance and cooperation based on what we do agree on," he wrote in the letter made available to Reuters. SOURCE The Star PARIS (Reuters) - Leading Muslim scholars have addressed warm Christmas greetings to Christians around the world, a message notable both for what it said and the fact that it was sent at all. The greetings, sent by a group of 138 Sunni, Shi'ite, Sufi and other scholars who recently proposed a dialogue with Christian leaders, called for peace on earth and thanked church leaders who have responded positively to their invitation. The message, as the dialogue proposal made in October, was unprecedented because there has not been until now such a large group of Islamic scholars that could draft a common letter. Islam is a decentralised faith, with no pope or archbishop who can speak for believers as a group. While individual Muslim clerics have exchanged holiday greetings with Christians in the past, nothing on this scale has been possible before. "Al-Salaamu Aleikum, Peace be upon you, Pax Vobiscum," the greetings letter began in Arabic, English and Latin. The text is available on the group's Web site www.acommonword.com. It noted that Christmas came just after the Muslim haj pilgrimage to Mecca and the Feast of Sacrifice (Eid al Adha) recalling how the Prophet Abraham almost sacrificed his son. "God's refusal to let Abraham sacrifice his son ... is to this day a divine warrant and a most powerful social lesson for all followers of the Abrahamic faiths, to ever do their utmost to save, uphold and treasure every human life and especially the lives of every single child," it said. "May the coming year be one in which the sanctity and dignity of human life is upheld by all," it added. "May it be a year of humble repentance before God and mutual forgiveness within and between communities." PLANS FOR DIALOGUE The conciliatory tone echoed that of the October appeal, which said Muslims and Christians should hold a serious dialogue on the basis of their shared commandments to love God and love one's neighbour. The group, linked to an Islamic research institute headed by Jordanian Prince Ghazi bin Mohammed bin Talal, wants a serious dialogue between Christian and Muslim theologians to help bridge a gulf in understanding between the religions. It began in reaction to Pope Benedict's 2006 Regensburg lecture, taken to imply Islam was violent and irrational. The Muslims first corrected what they said was his misunderstanding of their faith and then proposed a dialogue with all Christian leaders. Most Christian churches have responded positively. In an letter to the Vatican, Prince Ghazi has proposed sending a few Muslim scholars to Rome in February or March for initial talks with the world's largest Christian church. The scholars also plan to meet Christian leaders at several conferences coming up next year to launch the long-term dialogue. Some Catholic officials have expressed scepticism about the idea, saying differences between the two faiths were too great for any real dialogue, but Prince Ghazi urged them to seek agreement where they could for the sake of the common good. "We, like you, also consider complete theological agreement between Christians and Muslims inherently not possible by definition, but still wish to seek and promote a common stance and cooperation based on what we do agree on," he wrote in the letter made available to Reuters. SOURCE http://www.malaysia-today.net/2008/content/view/294/37/

Even the women are fighting aswell watch the video:

Odey Sheikh Arab ah

M.M.I, is Djibouti also part of Somalia?

I need to visit the city one day. It is a very historic and cultural site for Somali people and other Muslim across the Horn of Africa. Unfourtantely some European historian claimed the city was owned and founded by Arabs....

King Hoya, I bit of advise my friend. Can you please keep this discussion to this section only, as there is no real point in posting the same post and words in every section of the forum. People think it is another topic and then they read the same thing over and over again. I will let Nur have a pop @ your question!

Saxiibs, be gentle on the lad... he's very passionate....

Xidio, didn't see the part when I said: or the Somali word for grassy area? Anyway, I'M only Geeljire by lineage and philosophy only! And my written Somali part time only! neway... i'm guessing none of u know nething bout computer problems?

It's time to wish all Somalis a happy new year and happy birthday on "January 1st".

The city in Qatar? or the Somali word for grassy area? anyway give some tips.....

like the video about Muqdisho ruins and others normally windows or other media players. When I try 2 watch online I see green screen with audio only... but i can watch YOUTUBE ETC.... @JB, What is ciyaaldox?

Originally posted by me: 1. Politics aside.....Eritreans are cool people...got many Eritrean mates....and not one Xabash. . Is that a boast saxiib? Habashis are normal human beings, I used to be freinds with some.... there not eat you or something... I know one Oromo Ethiopian Guy and I took him to eat at a Somali cafe. These Faraxz were having a big debate about the situation in Somalia and I had to tell him it was nothing major everytime one farax screamed " EtoooooBia". Ironically, they were arguing between Etoonia is Gaalo and one was saying many of the are Muslims etc.. they are helping us....