^^ NO. they were konfurians masquarading as waqoyians .

I hate those Somalis or was it Somalians? you know the ppl with the big foreheads; The Somaliens. lol@ rudy and marx. Back in the days, an old SOmali MAN in southall apparently said to a somali youth wearing a chain, " warya why are you wearing this? are YOU a.XXXX..( the somali word for female dog beginning with D and ending with O)...

A relative of mine told me my lil cousin registered a couple of times. So there might be an element of truth to this.

If we return to the case of the individual known as Samaritan, Musa dished out an extremely stern punishment to him: the burning of his false diety and eventual exile from the community/land. Meanwhile, the israelites who worshipped the calf were told to be slayed by those who didn't. Another stern punishment right there. And this the only way they could have earned forgiveness according to the laws of the time. As for Harun, at first Musa was harsh with him; however, Harun was excused because his life was threatened by the calf worshippers and he didn't want to create fitna between Bani Israel factions. Though it must be noted that indeed Harun did establish the evidences against his tribe, warning them against the dangers of worshipping the false dieites. He was not obvlious to the whole saga So, what are the lessons in this, O Xiinfanin? In my opinion, it is that, simply put, all of the anbiya took heroic stands against kufr and shirk, never diluting or compromising on the tawheed of Allah. I must agree You are correct when you point out the differences between the youthful Musa and Musa the elder Prophet. Like you said, the youthful Musa is the one who thinks with his fist and gets into fights when he sees his tribesman being wronged. On the other hand, Musa the wise Prophet is a man of dialogue, reasoning, wisdom and great leadership skils.This change occured when Allah took Musa to the desert of the Midyan, moulding him into a real man of many qualities who was set a great task. If one closely scrutinises Musa's conduct with his tribe, you will realise the great forebearance of the man towards his tribe, who rebelled and petulantly obscured his efforts at every opportunistic moment. Perhaps this is a wise lesson for us, ya Xiin? Now, a few words on the subject of tarbiyah and whatnot; I agree that all of the different Anbiya were given gradual tasks and they didn't seek to build Islam in a day. Somedays their struggle was waged with the mouth and dialogue; somedays by the stones against powerful foes( Daud); and, somedays by the sword against the powerful empires of the time. One only needs to read the seerah of the Prophet Muhamad to understand this phenomena. Though what I will disagree with is this notion that there has to be some slow motion process towards the establishment of the tawheed of Shariah of Allah in the muslim lands. And, furthermore according to this logic, the ummah can live by shirki and kufr systems along this slow motion process towards Islamic governance. D During the time of the Prophet Muhamad , a man who's tribe converted to Islam was instructed to destroy an idolistic tree( which they believed had certain powers). Using the excuse that his tribe was new to Islam,the companion asked for a time delay in convincing his tribe to uproot the tree*. The prophet refused to even give a days delay and asked for the tree to be destroyed at once. In the same manner, the early muslims established the axkam of Allah when they revealed and they never said there needs to be some future age wherein everybody must be ready or that the whole world must accept it. Abu Bakr also took a similar stance, much against the wishes of Umar, when the Arab tribes rejeced the Zakat and he came to the decision to fight them. And we all know the stance that Ibn Taymiyah took against the tartars. It can be said that in all of these cases that excuse of maslaha could have been used. But what is required sometimes is steadfastness and brute force. Unfortunately, what we see today is the two extremes, that is, some muslims who want to purely focus on dialogue and some who believe the only solution is through sheer force. The story of Musa does show the power of dialogue, Oh Xiin; yet, it also show the power of strength and courage. So, my questions to Xiin and Abu Salman are : today, how can there be maslah or maqaasid al shariah in compromising on/ abandoning the Shariah itself for the modern day idoltary systems? Isn't this an oxymoron in itself? Secondly, do you believe that likes of Shariff have completely abandoned Sharia governance for a secular system due to international pressure and also as a means the suffering of Somalis? Or is it merely a strategic compromise designed to gradually implement the xukum of Allah at a later stage? I believe it is the former! * I may have told the narration incorrectly. if I have, someone could correct me inshallah. * my writing style is not as polished as some of the other brothers, so I apologise if my post was a bit long, muddled and repetitive. Fabregas

do you know who Sheikh Mohammed Hussein Ali Al Amoudi is?

Originally posted by peacenow: In the hands of their master. They look like they have had their second coming. The shame of these people never surprises me. lol, if it was a meeting with a white guy, you would say god bless him.

chocolate, see what I mean? Even when the refree intervenes, the brother is going for more punches. Naxar, still complaining? Brother, I am not a racist, I just happen to dislike Juice

you think too much. studied philosophy by any chance?

Originally posted by AYOUB: Fab and Naxar Too much negative energy. Ever thought of sorting your differences over a beverage of choice. .. well he started it, sir. mine was a case of seld defense. Ask Chocolate and honey, she is my witness.

Originally posted by Faarax-Brawn: quote:Originally posted by Fabregas: The film will cast Somalis in bad light. You know, the type where the nice white boy gets eaten and killed by cannibalistic Africans. But, what the heck, I wouldn't mind to appear as one extra skinny savage and get a little bit of money. Where at the auditions again? L0L, in bad light? lol, i didn't mean it will make them blacker than they already are. in a bad light, like savages, ba ka wade.

lol, come one people, you seriously think Everton can finish ahead of the gooners. That is the case of the haterz heart speaking rather than head. I don't think Man city will even finish in the top four this season. They will do well to finish 5th. It will probably be Man utd fighting it out with liverpool( provided they keep alonso and mascherano) and Chelsea. Arsenal will finish fourth again, and if I an correct, Fabregas will be a goner come this time next year. zu, denilson wa ciyal prettyboy, abti. He is too weak and timid for the premiership. we need to find a 6ft, 14 stone African defensive mid. edit: Darren bent 15 million almost to Sunderland. Never rated him.

good one xiin. Lakin, am gonna go back on the surah, read some commentaries and see if I could find some answers. In the meantime, why don't share with us the lessons of Tarbiyah in the story of Musa and the calf>?

nerd shukansi, eh?

The film will cast Somalis in bad light. You know, the type where the nice white boy gets eaten and killed by cannibalistic Africans. But, what the heck, I wouldn't mind to appear as one extra skinny savage and get a little bit of money. Where at the auditions again?

Often, we think to ourselves that we need to carry out deeds of a great magnitude that require lots of effort in order to reach our beloved twin goals: please Allah and reach Janatul Firdaws. But sometimes it is the little deeds, the un-noticed ones, which can lead to great changes and rewards. This is like the example of an arid plain stricken by drought: Allah sends small droplets of rain, then after a while the whole area is full of water and lush plants spring forth from the roots of this. The opposite of this is the flood; it overpowers the area and another problem is created. And this example( the flood) is same with the human body, overpowering the body and soul with too many big changes/aims at once can lead to negative consquences. During the Prophet Muhamad's time(SAW) some people became extreme in their worship, standing the entire night for prayer and neglecting the rights of their wives and families. Of course, at the same, the Prophet Muhamad,his companions and some of the great Muslims that followed them were remarkable human beings, so this is not to meant encourage aiming big. Rather it is meant to say one can't develop muscles( iman in this case) by starting off with the biggest weights. And In Islam there are so many small weights that a person can lift to develop big muscles(iman). Removing a piece of rubbish from the road or helping a neighbour is an act of worship. It is reported in a Hadith in Bukhari and Muslim that the Prophet once asked Bilal(RA): " O Bilal! tell me which of your acts is most meritorious since joining Islam, for I heard the sound of your shoes in Paradise ahead of me?" Bilal replied: " I do not have any action more meritorious than that whenever I performed Wudhu (purification) during the day or night, each time I offered a prayer as much as Allah has destined for me”". I thought of the following small acts we can all try to do to reach jannah and attain the pleasure of Allah: 1. Make a plan to try to fast on mondays and thursays or once a week, if not once/twice a month. 2. Read the stories of the prophets in the Quran to your children or little brothers in your family. 3. Make a plan to stand for prayer in the night at least once a week or whatever is suitable for you. 4. Try to get involved or donate to intitiaves involving Muslims in prison this ramadan 5. Make Wudu when you leave the house for work study in the morning 6. Examine your good deeds and bad deeds before you sleep. Uman Bin Khattab said account yourself before your are accounted for. Fabregas Inshallah, if you could add some more(jzk).

LOl, these dudes neeed more creative prank callers.

Adam, I think you are right. Daniel Radcliffe might have been browsing this forum,in particular this thread. way 2 go adam.

ps.jaju, why are xizbul Islam "khawarij"? I see you seem to be in love with this word.

a classic case of putting two and two together and getting 5. But you concern for your people is good.

Originally posted by Naxar Nugaaleed: i don't know about islamist but there are a lot of radicals here and the subject of topics here usually involve radicals, that, my intellectually challenged friends, makes my comments relevant. throwing jews and habashas into random ish concerning Somalis, on the other hand, makes your comments clearly bigoted and racist. Bigoted and racist comments v.s. relevant comments that focus on the topic at hand, how do you confuse the two? Furthermore, apparently because moderators here feel its ok for hate mongers here to spew bigoted and racist comments like yours, it falls on moral people here to ridicule your blatant ignorance every time you show it in the hope that you reform, keep to urself rather share your prejudice in public and think more logically. ha ha. Negroe( go on report me for that too),are you serious? Only the truly " intellectually challenged" sorts( ie. people like you) would equate a light hearted dose of sarcacism with hatemongering, racism and bigotry. Secondly, even if my comment was bigoted, I am sure Xabashis and Jewish civil rights movements can defend themselves, and they certainly don't need inferiority complex sufferinng- flight 13 Somalis to defend them at every opportunity as you try to desperately do. When you make bigoted comments against the niqab, hijab, and you dismiss the rape of SOmali women by Xabashi soldiers, it is all apart of the ze civalizid ilbax discussion. But when Somalis makes a comment about Jews or others; Naxar rushes forth like Richard the Lionheart to defend them. Utter hypocrisy. I remember one time you said that entire population of Muqdisho should be exiled to the countryside to be civilized. Imagine if someone sad this about the population of your brothers in Jerusalem or Adiss Ababa. Walahi, you would cry and wail about bigoted comments. ABTI, practice what you barich, ; otherwise, the forum is big enough and we need not drive in each other lanes.

One can clearly tell this was a waste of time from the pose of the uncle above.

Originally posted by Naxar Nugaaleed: quote:Originally posted by Fabregas: Somalis drinking alcohol? (Shock! Horror! Gasps!) I thought we were 100% innocent and 99% Muslim?...This must be the work of the habashis and freemason jews. ........... Lol at your shock and horror but why must we involve the jews and the habeshas into every topic. Paragon, i was told that the xoor you talk about is a fermented camel milk that was drank by nomads And why must you involve Islamists and "radicals" into every topic? If it soothes your pain> I was being sarcastic.

Somalis drinking alcohol? (Shock! Horror! Gasps!) I thought we were 100% innocent and 99% Muslim?...This must be the work of the habashis and freemason jews. ...........

i would have beat all of em. ps. good event- but they should be cover their thighs next time.

Have fun, Be careful and don't talk to strangers or Alshabab.