Originally posted by Jimcaale: ^I suggest you direct your questions and concerns to the website or better the person named in the article. I'm not in a position to place an interpretation for that quotation but if you feel you're, go right ahead and tell us what the Sheikh has in his mind or heart he needed to say but come out different. But, you have already given a interpretation of what the Sheikh meant. This is evidenced by the title of this very thread, which is essentially designed to make people think the "Islamists" have somehow stopped attacking Ethiopians forces and only attack poor Somalis! You saw a quote and you effectively ran away with it! As if to say: ooh, these Islamists they're only interested in killing poor innocent Somalis! Only problem is that the first few lines and the actual title of the article( you posted) contradicts what you are trying to assert! And that is my last on this matter, g'day ppl!

That could mean anything! What context was it said in? and does this mean that Ethiopians won't be targeted per se or in specific areas their allies will be targeted more? Besides, line 1 says the exact opposite: Islamists to streghten attacks against Ethiopians! assuming this article is an accurate caption of what HE actually said!

Yeah, but look at the title of the article he posted, it says: " Islamists vow to strengthen attacks against Ethiopians". As for Somalis and T.F.G soldiers: it is unfortunate and sad, because they arE all Somalis and Muslims. Everytime a T.F.G member or soldier dies, that's another Somali losing their brother, sister of father, right there! Meaning more Somali orphans and a continuation of the this great tragedy! And many of the T.F.G soldiers are yong teenagers who can barely defend themselves, but being used to defend the interests of warlords. Nevertheless, the consequences( harsh and brutal) of fighting alongside and or supporting an occupation have been made clear 2 all and perhaps many are realising that now.............with so many defections, soldiers dissapearing and defection 2 the other side! Inshallah, the rest will realise before it's too late!

Originally posted by GJ_Sheikhspear: Luka Modric( remember him against england?) he's wanted by topboys in PL http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZtYsLvRO1c&feature=related SPurs sign Modric!

ETo doesn't have the desire 2 play 4 barca and Henry is past is best or out of form........ So u can see, that so many times....... Messi was lookin 2 make that threaded ball to the last striker............but Eto didn't have his old spring and was instead running down the sides...........plus they also missed ronaldinho's long range shots.........plenty of shots from outside the box last night( all weak) Berbatov mite come in the summer or probably will! I think we found who is the the best player in the world: Messi or Ronaldo? Abtigis, Deco is a class player, probably one of the best in the world.........just Barcelona going through a rough patch and they wil get a new manager.......

wat on earth is this suppose 2 mean?

@Naxar, no offense bro, lakin: Xorta maxaad la cyber ooyda, when something is said about Ethiopian withdrawal or the role of the United Nations in that process? You seem to be allergic to the idea of an Ethiopian withdrawal and or a negotiated settlement! My understanding of Caamirs posted article is that a large scale intervention is not workable and thus a process of trying to bridge the gap between the warring sides is more suitable. That is, an eventual withdrawal of Ethiopian forces, ceasfire and a national reconcialiton process must be on the cards. Now, we can doubt the sincerity of the warring sides in agreeing to peace deals, however; I would have thought that it is clear by know( to all) that a largescale force of Ethiopians or any other United Nations forces can't bring security or peace to Somalia! Especially- without the warring sides being in agreement to such a process! The international community can help the t.f.g, but it can't help it rule Somalia with the biggest and baddest guns!

Gacmaha cun-cuna, when he hears Alshabaab dee

Good read, although somewhat ruined by the outbursts and allegations at the end of the article, which are rather suprising come from a person who was claiming to defend Islam!

Originally posted by LayZie G.: You poor baby@Abuu geelka, did I touch a nerve or what? Listen, I don't want to take anything away from anyone who teaches the children, whether it may be religion, history, geography,social studies, afka kacaanka, as long as someone is teaching them. What I will not stand for is killing our volunteers, regardless of personal beliefs.. Our volunteers are helping these children by teaching them, the same way your wadaado spend 17 yrs doing the same thing, but do you see anyone killing your wadaado for making a 7 yr old turn radical? Why should they take the life of an innocent man and a woman of somali origin? Because they said so? What would you have said if the same kabaabs you are defending were to be slaughtered to death for making children fight their wars? As far as you are concerned, your wadaado can't do no wrong@abu geelka. What did the lady of the somali origin do to the wadaado, except take time out of her life(she has one just like u and I have a life) and instead put her life at risk by going back home so she can do the work you or I are not doing. How dare they kill someone who is there to help? Soon, the aid workers will be next in line, because they will probably be accused of feeding bacon to the masaakiinta, then next and next. You want us to sit around and dance for them each time they take a life and when amxaaro fights back, you want us to condemn them? What, tell me, what do you propose we do? Incase you dont have a proposal @brother abuu geelka, I have one for you. The solution is for somalida is to make no demand, other than to invite the world, anyone who is willing to help, to come and intervene. We need to be watched at all times, because the one time we said we would get along if only we get rid of certain someone, it failed, we didnt get along and 18 yrs later, we are saying lets get rid of the axmaaro and we will talk again. Do you actually believe anyone buys that? Amxaaro out and lets sit down? More excuse for more bloodshed, so I say, let the amxaaro or any foreign army who wants to come, come, period, end of story. Somalida will get along only marka madaxa looga istaago, ala siyaad barre style. PS:Anyone who sees what I am saying as absurdity is a damn fool. No, my sister, you didn't touch a nerve. In fact, there is a better room for a discussion since you seemed to have made your reservations clear,rather than making some digs at the Sheikh's interpretation of history! However, you still make many mis-readings and wrong interpretations with regards to the Somali Conflict, as well as what the Sheikhs said and also regarding my own position( Abu Geeljire). You seem to have thought that this video and myself are calling for a blind following of IslamiCourts Union and Alshabaab: that couldn't be further from the case. I was one of the first persons( before aid workers were killed in Beled-Weyne) that posted lectures and debates critiquing the Alshabaab bombing of Bosaso and their methodology of establishing Shariah law in Somalia. I don't agree with the manner that they are establishing Shariah law and some of their operations, as well as their greater interpretations of Islamic Conduct. One also acknowledges the Islamic Courts have some very bad apples: they are no angels, and no one pretend the case is such! Thus, the mantra of blind support to Alshabaab or any other group is not based on evidence! The Sheikh( which you rudely switched off ) in the video made the point clear: it's not for everyone to say "Jihad" and "Bhud Qaado". He also made it clear that any actions contrary to the Islamic actions of war shouldn't be undertaken. Moreover, all actions including resistance should be waged in a manner of wisdom, unity and Islamic Consensus. Is that the case? Obviosly not, this is Somalia, man! You have young Shabaabs, some of them whom have only known violence for seventeen years. You have people indoctrinated by the likes of Adan Ceyrow. Put that together with 18 years of war and you have all kinds of assasins and unstable people! Nevertheless, it is unfair that you should paint the wadaado as somehow supporting "killing" aid workers. Sheikh Shariff has even been in recent discussions with aid workers on how to have a greater understanding with regards to helping the Somali people. Another Example, aid agencies recently returned to a Somali Town after they left due to violence and intimidation. Why did they return? Because the Islamic Courts Union took over that town and thus made it safter for aid workers to operate. The "wadaado" are also clamping down on moryaans and checkpoints in Souther SOmalia. How can compare them( despite their flaws) to the Xabashi Looters? Even if there are people that condone violence against civilians, aid workers, etc, it should be made clear: the actions of Alshabaab, I.C.U or another group should not be tainted as actions of Wadaado or Islam itself. The Wadaado in the video are Ulema and are not part and parcel of any political group. The term Wadaado is broad and shouldn't be used to only denote Alshabaab or the Islamic Courts Union. They are simply articulating their thoughts( from an Islamic Perspective) with regards to the Ethiopian occupation. Their points are simpl and clear,as Baashi has already pointed out! 1. Ethiopia is not the cause of our problems or a finger pointing excuse for our shambles! 2. Our problems stem from the deep-rooted tribalism and reliance on tribal organization over Islamic and Political System. Ethiopia( and some of other nations) use this is an opportunist who took advantage of this system. Moreover, even those supporting Xabashis will not gain any benefit! 3. The solution to this to fear Allah, remove tribalism(and hatred) from our hearts and work together to remove the painful conditions that exist in our country. 4. The aforementioned problems( largely created by ourselves) have culiminated in Ethiopia using this as an opporunity to occupy Southern Somalia, which is totally against our religoon, human culture and/ or peoples dingity! They say the removal of Ethiopia interference and the other problems can not be done by Alshabaab or Islamic Courts Union,rather by a united Jamat including Ulema, Intellectuals, Women and young men! This doesn't translate into meaning that the once Ethiopians leave everything will be caano geel and honey! It simply means Muslims( including mad Somalis) can't be occupied or controlled( as Allah swt has forbidden)! Of course this all depends on one percieved truth: that Ethiopia( or Xabashis) are indeed bringing no good to Somalis/other Muslims people in Horn-Africa. Some would say, no, Xabashis are our good African Brothers and thus came to help poor Somalis! Let them bring their evidence and not waffle about what type of clothes the Sheikhs are wearing or Alshabaab( which is ultimately one small grouping). If some people don't care about Xabashi presence or see it as insignificant: again, let them bring their evidence and not waffle about the Somalis killing each other for the last 18 years( something which is apparent to all!

SN,The Negus converted to Islam, as is evidenced by Islamic sources. And no it doesn't hurt me that a Xabashi-Christian King helped the companions of the Prophet(saw) of Islam. Yet,you and those others whom accuse the good Sheikh of being ahistorical seemed to have missed his clever choice of words, " dowlada Ethiopia". Simple history dictates that there was never any dowlad called Ethiopia until the colonial era. I believe it was some-time in the early 20 the century that the Amhara and Tigray ruling elites changed the name of their empire from "Abysnia" to " Ethiopia". Ethiopia, meaning people with burnt faces was a Greek word used to refer to many peoples living in the East Africa, who of course had dark faces and seemed weird to the Greeks. They changed the name because " Xabashi" was symbolized by Tigray and Amhra, whereas EThiopia could be used for all the peoples they had conquered( with help from the British, etc). The Xabashi Rulers even paritcipated in the conference at Berlin and Menelik wrote letter demanding that he be put in charge of the SOmalia, Oromo and so on and so forth! As for the stuff about the Prophet supposedly( saw) making dua for Ethiopians: If we use your reasoning, it would mean that the Prophet (saw)made dua for Somalis since Oromia and Somali Galbeed are today considered( by the International world) part of the nation known as " Ethiopia". Therefore, one needs to be very careful in translating what the Prophet( saw)in context to the ABysnians who helped his companions. The Prophet( saw) also said that a Xabashi would attempt demolish the Kaba. Does that mean Somalis are better than Ethiopians because SOmalis won't be the ones that attempt demolish the Kaba? Now back to my point, the Sheikh said Dowlada Ethiopia and by that he probably means that Ethiopia rulers such as Menelik, Haillesallese, Mengistu and today's Zenaawi! Menelik and Haillesallese were both very anti Islamic and also Anti-Somali. It was the latter who arrogantly claimed that: Somalis are nomads who don't deserve to be given a government. He also asked that Southern SOmalia and Eritrea should be part and parcel of the "Ethiopian empire". And I haven't mentioned He banned the Arabic language. Yes, the Negus( may Allah have mercy on him) did help Muslims, but a whole load of Xabashi Kings have made it their goal to control the entire peoples of the Horn of Africa, namely, the Muslims and the Somali regions up to the coast of Benadir. That is the point we are trying to make, and the events in SOmali Galbeed and Somalia witness the great fact: Abysnians aren't here to help us!

Various peoples around the world use different calendar systems, such as: A.D, A.H and so on and so forth! For some Somalis- especially some of the users of this forum........ History started 18 years ago, that is, 18 years after the Qabil war. Everything that occured before that era is rendered ahistorical and consequently every single event that occured thereafter is explained in the context of those events( sad). So my question is how can SOmalis get over or at least forgive each other with regards to those past events? Or Am I exaggerating!

Originally posted by LayZie G.: quote:Odayaashaan wareersan oo meesha inee is maaweeliyaan oo isa sasabaan usoo fariistay kala garaka dhaadheer wexey sheegaayaan aaba iska yar. hahahahahhaha, kixkixkixkix@KK. You never fail inaad mar walba ooyin iga keento saan kugu qoslaaye. Kasha, kasha mey kudheheen. I actually was going to fire up that video and watch it from beginning to an end, just like kk, but it didn't end with me finishing the video. The 1st speaker said something in these lines and immediately I closed the youtube page:- Taaariiqta lama sheegin, iney muslimiinta africa kuloon ineysan wax u qabatay, iney wax u tartay, majirto, iney waxyeesho mooyee. Waayo, he was looking around in the audience to see if someone can correct him, seemed to me he was repeating a hearsay. It was also evident that history class wasn't the choice of curriculum in indho tigid tuulo where he hails from, so sad. Kasha, if I can advise you once more. Please, do tone down a bit, I don't want to see you thrown out for losing your temper over nothing. Take it from me, someone who has had her share of outbursts in the past, I do want to keep you around here, and unlike emporer and CO. I want you to continue to point out to me how silly your kabaab radicals sound more and more everyday. PS:MMA, word is yey will land in tdotO in september, but my question to you is, would u be the sirhan sirhan of somalida? Alot of insights into a video you didn't watch, eh? Sheikh Cadbrixaman Abyad is very knowledegable( probably moreso on Islamic History in Horn Africa); you can't accuse him of not going to history class. Refutation of what they said based one evidence and rational thought? Same goes for walasheen Kool Kat! These are Ulema who have been doing a good job inside and outside Somalia for the last 17 years: they dedicated themselves to helping and teaching SOmalis the Deen over the past 17 years. Probably did more than most you clan warlord heroes, peeps! Baashi, good points, lakin it seems some ppl are more interested in the clothes they are wearing or what reer they are haling from!

That's Sheikh Cabdrihman Abyad( the first one), a very knowledgeable man on the history of Ahmed Gurey, Sayiid Muhamad, SOmalia etc......... @Seek Knowledge, Somalia wouldn't be a Muslim if it wasn't for Ethiopia? I never heard that in my life! It's also rather ahistorical to only point the Abysnian King during the Hijra, who happened to be a good Muslim and yet forget all the history thereafter between the Abysnian Crusader Kings and the Muslims of the Horn!

Originally posted by Seekknowledge: So now is a fight against colonial power. I wonder what was the fight about the previous 17 years :confused: seems somalis perfected selected memories. 1980: that would be 28 years ago!

Originally posted by LayZie G.: ^Waligaa warar meesha yaalin aa keentaa. Threadka waxa uu ku saabsan yahay ayaan ka hadleyne, Abuu geelka. I am just combating the biggest myth being perputuated, which suggests that the resistance groups are guilty of the same crimes of the Abysnians and their likes. There is no comparison to be made between these groups( despite the many flaws of the cimamad group). And this is related to the thread......... since you seem to be advancing the discourse that says the I.C.U,etc are on par with the ABysnian occupiers, if not even worser, something which you still have not provided any evidence for........ other than speculation related to this mosque says..........

Originally posted by LayZie G.: ^atlaest the flags being waved won't endanger me if I were to set foot in somali soil today. Matter of fact, those ethio flags would probably make me more safer than the kabaab group would. I think there are a plethora of women in the Ocaden region and inside Somalia who would beg to differ, and thus see the Ethiopian flag( Abysnian) as one of rape, tryanny, oppression and symbolized by largesacle massacres. Just a few: Safety under the Abysnian Flag?

Xidigo, Indeed, that is the extra-ordinary lengths that some our brothers and sisters would go to. All this, in order to sound like one of those, you know, rational-minded, intellectual, un-biased, everybody critiquing........xalimos and Farax graduates from the Havard, SOL academy of neutrality! When the reality is that if wasn't for these young boys, then my friends the pics of Meles Zenawi would still be carried by young SOmali Children in Muqdisho and Ethiopian Flags would be flying over Muqdisho( as occured during the early stages of the occupation). Even more absurd is the fallacy that these young men( despite their many flaws and mistakes) are slaughtering SOmalis on the same scale as Xabashi Invaders and, therefore, this means there are two bad guys in Somalia: Tigrays and Alshabaab. Little do they know that Alshabaab is a small minority of the ordinary Shacab of Somalia whom are determinded to earn the freedom back! Or that it is these Shacab( many of them women) who are providing the grass roots support for the evil guys with red cimaamads to liberate Somalia from the other evil, the supposedly newly formed, Somali-Muslim clan, also known as Tigrays of Abysnia. Who are supposedly participating in a small scale Somali- Civil War! Cajiib, Walahi!

Originally posted by Cadaan: Why aren't there any young Somali singers? They're mostly over 50.... that's probably a good thing, mate. Plenty of other useful occupations and professions!

Alshabaab baa dadki ku washeen........I think sum ppl here work for the CIA so as to get people to talk about Alshabaab and spot potential sympathisers, financers, etc.............no names mentioned!

Lazie, adiga beryahan waa laga shakiyey.......I fink we mite have 2 send one of the elite sirdoons, based in North America, a niqabi trained in martial arts and commando raids........timaha lagu jid jidi hadad wax ka sheegtid Islamic Courts mar dambe! Just kidding, back to studying!

Somali Pride, I do accept that some ppl attack the PL people as a whole out of sheer clanism. Nevertheless, I fail to see how this particular thread can be considered as a clanish attack on Puntland people. " Ethiopians slaughtered clerics", doesn't imply an attack on Ethiopian people! " Somaliland arrested Abdi farax, etc", doesn't mean an attack on SL people. It's simply a way of saying that a particular adminstration did something, because the state has a monopoly on violence and obviosly Puntland Citizens wouldn't arrest the ONLF members themselves( if this story is true). It's like saying " Americans bombed Dhoobley", clearly that means the American military and intelligence carried out an attack, not the American people, and so on and so forth. Also, how is calling Puntland Leaders stooges similar to implying the "South people" are war prone. The former attacks specific leaders( and not the people) and the latter indirectally demonizes a whole group of people. Imagine if one claimed that " Puntlander's are piracy prone"? Puntland is not the promised land as some here would pretend and yes it's leader are not immune from critique. Indeed, this is an open forum, but if one were to read the threads on this forum, you would think that the majority of Puntlanders support the Ethiopian "liberation" and the conduct of the TFG gang in Muqdisho. I say this because of the posts of a handful of people on this forum, who seem to have believed that they have a right to speak for the entire people of that particular region. More absurd is the other widely held believe( by this small number of posters) that being against the policies of leader of the T.F.G is akin to hating his clan and simply being against Ethiopians in Muqdisho out of some sick conspiracy theory to hold on to some looted properties! This would mean the majority of puntlanders are sheep-like robots who blindly follow the Old man and support anythting that the Ethiopian regime does in Southern Regime. This conspiracy would have some weight were it not for the people from that region, who in this forum and in the real world distance themselves from any blind support of the Ethiopians or their appointed leader of a warlord!

Originally posted by somalipride: I'm talking about this nonesense!!! quote: shameful walaahi. this has been done before by SL and now the torch is being passed to PL ..... what can they possibly achieve by this despicable act ? and refuse to let desperation creep into my soul, and I refuse to look at the bad guys in Somaliland and puntland. I know out there millions of Somalilanders and Puntlanders are mouring with me. finally you are right it is not the people of PL that committed this crime just a select few of their leaders and for that ilaahay ha uga abaal marayo. Always claiming we are betraying our nation all over, against the ONLF or the resistance....please!!! Those posts blame it on a "select"we( read my clan) few and their leaders". Again, I don't see how it warranted your defense of Puntland People and going into a rant about people of the SOuth being war prone and anti government. Unless you are saying that any criticism( even though Xoogsade does it an odd manner)of the Puntland and Somaliland adminstrations is akin to attacking all of the people! I don't particularly believe the majority of Somaliland Residents and Puntland residents actually support handing over ONLF suspects to the Ethiopian adminstration. Nor do I believe the majority of PL and evem moreso SOmaliland residents support having Ethiopian troops inside Somalia. So, adeer no need to defend the toolka as nobody is attacking them on this thread............if you have a take on this particular story about PL handing over ONLF members.......ku soo tuur.......forget defending " we" on a cyber forum, I'm sure they have enough clan elders and spokeman to speak out for themselves!

^^this thread is about ONLF........not the people of the South being more violent and whanot...........sheekada ha badalin bro