Originally posted by Cara: AU troops or Ethiopian troops? And anyway that's like burning someone's house down and then giving them a blanket out of sympathy... Dee, you don't our good duke and friends: they freestyle as they go along. One minute they swear they would "never" support or even contemplate allowing any Xabashi troops in Somalia. Next minute; the xabashi troops are just Somalis who were donated with Ethiopian uniforms. Next minute; they're only 50 Ethiopian generals who came to "train" the " government" forces. And then all of sudden: Xabashi troops are part of an AU force handing out food to the Poor Somalis they mercilessly bombed and uprooted from their homes. You gotta love that rational! Tommorow, they might even say Xabashis are being adopted as part of the Soomaali Clan system!

Alow xishoodka ha naga qadin! These the same Xabashis troops and generals who have been looting taxing and looting Somalis! Same ones who cut off humanitarian aid in the Ocaden region! If anything, that's all the food they've been robbing from Somalis! Dulnimo, Walahi! Also, funny how the Ethiopians troops say they want to leave the country, in order to be replaced by " African Union Troops". But you are right though; they're isn't any great difference between the said African Union troops and Ethiopians troops!

^^ What about the Maxkamadaha,the group that Sheikh Ibrahim Suley speaks for, ..I would think they have more influence and men then the youth group?.........the influence and importance of Alshabaab is rather spiced up! although even Sheikh Ibrahim Suley an ally of the asmara group as come out against the talks........

Yes demonstrations from Ulema and civil society groups in PL. Lakin, picking up arms and removing the admin by force? Nobody has the capacity to take up such a momentous task without creating a humanitarian crisis and the admin calling more and more people to massacre it's own people. Demonstrations and pressure from civil society group and Ulema are the best way forward. .........

^^ Picking up arms would probably excerbate the situation!

These guys don't understand the politics: wa lagu ciyaaraya! Ever worser, their bringing their beef into the public!

They're taking the PIS!

The same things were said when Japan was rising as an emerging economy and American Hegemony was( supposedly) on the down! Of course it could all be empirically and politically true, but writing about an " American decline" does seem to be a favourite subject of some IR scholars, particularly at the slightest of an economic or military crisis! In others words, people like to predict when empires are going to decline, and most will tell you they really know that it will come today or the day after!

Well some thought that the war was against X clan against X religous group. And they thought they could practice their religon " safely". Mantana wiil yar oo Abysnian ah ba gurigooda ka kaxaysanaya!

US superpower-ness supposedly declines every 20 years or so. And we told that there's always a new economic superpower on the rise!

Isais is true on one point. Certain actors(ie the UN) are trying to divide the Islamic Courts and their allies via the tool of " peace talks". On the other hand, he(Afreweki) cares about Muslims as much as Meles Zenawi does! It's just mere propoganda designed to keep Ethiopian in Somalia! and perhaps upset Djibouti! Islam Kulaha!

Originally posted by Jimcaale: ^You wish to get an Oscar for the Ethiopian death but not for the civilian lives lost as a result of Shabaab action? Kowsaar waaxid. Jimcaale, you don't have suggestions as how they should resist the Ethiopians, do you? Little do you know that Xabashi troops shoot civilians even when they are not attacked. Therefore, to blame the resistance for the civilians killed in this instance( in revenge) is just illogical and seems like some people want to argue for the sake of arguing or to join the johnny-come-lately " I am for peace train". Are you suggesting that they shouldn't resist Ethiopian troops simply because Ethiopians will attack civilians every time? Or perhaps they should write a letter to the Xabashis troops and demand that they don't target civilians? Occupation troops kill civilians all across the world, that's what they do; they target civilians populations in order to break support for resistance and scare populations. Of course, though, some SOmalis think they have a forumula which will not only resist against the Ethiopians, but also somehow limit civilian casualties to a ration of 0. Or maybe their is a nostalgia for the dead Ethiopians troops, ya ? ps. It's like saying ONLF are to blame for civilian casualties because they attack Xabashi occupiers! Give them an " oscar" too, why don't we!

Who would have thought that Eritrea and Ethiopia baa advise( in some cases control) garayn-laha Somalis!

Well some people are giving justfication to that theory( AQ in Somalia) with their boasts and declarations in the media! Which ultimately means more bombardment and foreign interference in Somalia!

^^ The religious justifications for struggling against Ethiopian occupiers is well known and hence doesn't need a great deal of debate or articulation, since prominent ulema have given justification for that struggle, though, some will argue that it doesn't meet the critrea of a legitimate( Islamic) struggle. What you seem to be saying is this particular group shouldn't be critised since they are doing a job which the rest of us are to cowardly to carry out. Moreover, as you seem to have articulated in your other threads; those that criticise this movement show little understand Islam and have a weaknesses or deficieny in their logic. Fair enough, this group is demonised and often accused of things that they haven't carried out. For example, they are accuseD of massacaring SOmali civilians on a mammoth scale on par with the level as Ethiopians. This is all nonsensical and there is little evidence to show that this group has targeted Somali civilians as a part of ideology or hatred. Having said that, fighting a war doesn't make one immune from critique. And it is understandable Somalis are trying to avoid un-neccesary criticism given the state of the country, that is, a burutal foreign occupation. However, the criticism of Alshabaab shouldn't be equated with criticism of Islam or Mujahideen! That is purely too simplisc and borders on blind following. It's like saying you can't criticse Osama Bin Laden because he happened to have picked up an AK47. Can Muslims not criticise these groups for the ideologies they articulate for the Muslim world and the effect these declarations/actions have on the Muslim world? Or is it a black and white world where everybody is a pious Mujahid or Munafiq( gaalo rac)?

^^SIS Somaliland Intelligence Service

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welcome to the forum bro this thread is already in the bolitics sections...........and your siyaasad baa la fahmey.......just from your first post...i think ........

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I saw gabadh Somaaliyad those community police. the other day..........

^^ Some these guys are just plain opportunists, but it is true that certain groups( who's influence diminshed) are once again resurfacing and beginning to have an impact on some of the youNGsters.

Whether or not talking is solution or if it's right or wrong............ we'll all see waxa ka soo baxa, when they do speak to each other! It's not like any of you guys( cybers) will take the decision, ie to speak with TFG or not! If they take that decision to be in the interests of Somalis, and it brings peace, Xabashis out....... then we'll thank for them for many years to come....... if the talks fail....they wont be the first SOmali talks to fail......... The time for arguing abouth whether or not talks are correct is over......since they appear to have entered talks or will do so!

it mite be from that spoof website MR jimcaale likes to use!

wa dad power iyo lacag cabuaa! lol, at the good times at the White House. Am sure!

Ayaan Dhow they might even Imam Ahmad Gurey was a wahabi! p.s some "Salafis" have been notable in it is unislamic to rebel against meles Zenawi and the warlord.......in other words