It seems like these days you can find alot of Muslims who know more about music than they know about Islam. Allaahu mustacan. May Allah save me and my family from such a horrible fate.

Here maybe this information will be useful, since it is Ramadan afterall.. 1. The Madhhab of Imaam Aboo Haneefah: From Abut-Tayyib at-Tabaree who said, "Aboo Haneefah used to hate music and he used to place the one who listened to music along with the sinners." And he said, "Likewise, this was the madhhab of the rest of the people of al-Koofah. From Abee Haneefah - rahimahullaah - who said, "Music is unlawful (haraam) according to all the religions." And Ibnul-Qayyim (d. 751H) - rahimahullaah - said in Ighaathatul-Lahfaan (p. 348), "Indeed the companions of Abee Haneefah clarified that it is unlawful to listen to any musical instruments such as the wood-wind oboe, the hand drum, or striking bars. And they clarified that it is disobedience obligating fisq (disobedient sinning) and they would reject him as a witness. The most profound evidence of that is their statement that listening to music is fisq (disobedient sinning) and taking pleasure in it is disbelief. These are their words." 2. The Madhhab of Imaam Maalik Ibn Anas: From Ishaaq Ibn Eesaa at-Tabbaa who said, "I asked Maalik Ibn Anas about what the people of al-Madeenah thought of music. So he said, 'Indeed, those who do that are considered fussaaq (disobedient sinners) according to us!!!'" Sheikh Fozi al-Athari says, "This clarifies that permitting music is not from the madhhab of Imaam Maalik - rahimahullaah. And he strengthened the statement of the Scholars of al-Madeenah." Said Abut-Tayyib at-Tabaree, "As for Maalik Ibn Anas, then he prohibited music and listening to it... and that is the madhhab of the rest of the people of al-Madeenah." Said Ibnul-Qaasim, "I asked Maalik about singing, so he said, 'Allaah the Exalted said, "So what is there after the truth except falsehood?" 'So is this the truth?'" From Ibraaheem Ibnul-Mundhir al-Madanee was asked, "Do you permit music?" So he said, "Refuge is sought with Allaah! No one does that except that he is a disobedient sinner according to us." Said Abut-Tayyib at-Tabaree, "This is also the madhhab of the rest of the people of al-Madeenah." 3. The Madhhab of Imaam ash-Shaafi'ee: From ash-Shaafi'ee - rahimahullaah - who said, "I left something in al-Iraaq called at-taghbeer which was invented by the heretics (zanaadiqah) to lure people away from the Qur'aan." Said Ibn Taymiyyah (d. 728H) - rahimahullaah - in al-Fatwaa (11/507), "And what ash-Shaafi'ee mentioned from it being an innovation of the heretics, then this is the speech of an Imaam of who is well acquainted with the foundations of al-Islaam. so no one delights in it, nor calls to it in essense, except one who is to be suspected of heresy." Said Ibnul-Jawzee (d. 597H) - rahimahullaah - "Indeed, the heads of the companions of ash-shaafi'ee (radiyallaahu anhum) prohibited listening to music." And Abut-Tayyib at-Tabaree - rahimahullaah - said, "Music is not permissible, nor is listening to it, nor is it permissible to strike bars. And whosoever attributes this to ash-Shaafi'ee, then he has lied upon him." And Ibnul-Jawzee - rahimahullaah - said, "So this is the statement of the Scholars of the Shaafi'iyyah and the people of Religion from amongst them. It was only the late comers from amongst them who permitted it due to their lack of knowledge and due to them being overcome by their desires." Said ash-Shaafi'ee (d. 241H) - rahimahullaah - in alUmm (6/209), "Indeed, music is makrooh amusement resembling falsehood. And whosoever listens to it, then he is an i d i o t (safeeh) who testimony is to be rejected." Said Abut-Tayyib at-Tabaree, "He declared the one who listens to music an i d i o t because he calls the people to falsehood and whosoever calls the people to falsehood is an idiotic disobedient sinner." Said Ibnul-Qayyim in Ighaathatul-Lahfaan (p. 350), "And ash-Shaafi'ee and his elder companions and those who were knowledgable of his madhhab were from the harshest of people speaking against music." 4. The Madhhab of Imaam Ahmed Ibn Hanbal: From Abdullaah Ibn Ahmad Ibn Hanbal who said, "I asked my father about music, so he said, 'It does not surprise me that music cultivates hypocrisy in the heart.'" From Abul-Haarith who said, "I asked Abaa Abdullaah what he thought about at-taghbeer and whether or not it melts the hearts, so he said, 'It is an innovation.'" Said Ibnul-Jawzee, "So as for the music that is known today, then he (Ahmad Ibn Hanbal) warns against it. How would it be if he had known what the people had invented of additions." Sheikh Fozi al-Athari says, "May Allaah bestow mercy upon Ibnul-Jawzee, how would it be if he had known what the people have innovated into music from additions in this present age!!!" Said Ibnul-Jawzee, "And the fuqahaa (jurists) from the companions - meaning the Hanaabilah - do not accept the testimony of the singer and the dancer. And Allaah is the One who grants success." Said Ibn Taymiyyah - rahimahullaah - in al-Fatwaa (11/576), "So let it be known that if the hand drum (daff), reed flute and singing are combined, then this is unlawful (haraam) according to the Imaams of the madhhaahib and according to the other Scholars of the Muslims." Said Ibn Taymiyyah in Minhaajus-Sunnah (3/439), "The four Imaams are all agreed upon the unlawfulness (tahreem) of music such as the flute and its likes." Imaam Naasirud-Deen al-Albaanee (d. 1420H) - rahimahullaah - said in Tahreem Aalaatut-Tarab (p. 105), "Indeed, the Scholars of the jurists - amongst them are the Four Imaams - have all agreed upon the prohibition of musical instruments in following the Prophetic ahaadeeth and the Salafee narrations." So these four Imaams who are from the most outstanding Scholars of the Muslims have ruled that is is unlawful (haraam) to listen to musical instruments, stringed instruments and singing. So who can come with more knowledge than these onees, whether he brings an agreement or disagreement. And is there anything after the truth except falsehood? And the last of our calls is that the praise of Allaah be upon our Prophet Muhammad and upon his family and all his Companions.

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Originally posted by Castro: You think or you know? If it's the former, thoughts are not enough when it comes to halaal and haraam. If it's the latter, we would all benefit if you shared with us your evidence. Inshallah. Ramadan Karim. Hey na'am, Castro is speaking the TRUTH.

Originally posted by tHe oNe aNd OnLy: lol and the "word artest" has been silenced waryaahey, play nice, ok.

Originally posted by Callypso: The only thing I am pretty sure about is that no one who claims to have communicated with this higher power actually did. Callypso, have you ever read or heard of a short book called Usool ath-Thalaatha, or Thalathatul Usool, which means The Three Principles? There are English translations of this book widely available.

Ù‚Ùلْ يَا أَيّÙهَا الْكَاÙÙرÙونَ Say (O Muhammad - Peace be upon him - to these Mushrikûn and Kâfirûn): "O Al-Kâfirûn (disbelievers in Allâh, in His Oneness, in His Angels, in His Books, in His Messengers, in the Day of Resurrection, and in Al-Qadar, etc.)! لَا أَعْبÙد٠مَا تَعْبÙدÙونَ "I worship not that which you worship, وَلَا أَنتÙمْ عَابÙدÙونَ مَا أَعْبÙد٠"Nor will you worship that which I worship. وَلَاأَنَا عَابÙدٌ مَّا عَبَدتّÙمْ "And I shall not worship that which you are worshipping. وَلَا أَنتÙمْ عَابÙدÙونَ مَا أَعْبÙد٠"Nor will you worship that which I worship. Ù„ÙŽÙƒÙمْ دÙينÙÙƒÙمْ ÙˆÙŽÙ„ÙÙŠÙŽ دÙين٠"To you be your religion, and to me my religion (Islâmic Monotheism)." (Al-Kafirun)

And now for the proofs, because we may not speak without proof. As stated earlier in this topic, Al-walaa means loyalty and al-bara means disownment. In the context of Islam al-walaa is loyalty to Allah and whatever He is pleased with as well as friendship and closeness to the believers, whereas al-baraa is freeing oneself from that which is displeasing to Allah and disowning the disbelievers. After loving Allah and His Messenger (sulallahu alayhi wa salam), Allah obligates us to love those who love Allah and His Messenger (sulallahu alayhi wa salam) and hate those who oppose Allah and His Messenger (sulallahu alayhi wa salam). The Islamic Belief System('Aqeedah) obligates every Muslim to love the people of 'Tawheed and hate the people of Shirk. This obligation is from the religion of Muhammad(sulallahu alayhi wa salam) Allah the Exalted said: "O you who believe! Do not take the Jews and Christians for friends. They are Awliyaa(friends) to each other. And the one among you that turns to them is one of them. Indeed, Allah guides not an unjust people." (5:51) The above verse forbids Muslims from taking any of the People of the Book, specifically, and any of the disbelievers as a Mawlaat (friend). Allah also forbade the believer from supporting the Kuffaar, even if they are blood relatives. Allah the Exalted said: "O you who believe! Do not take your fathers and your brothers as Awliyaa, if they love disbelief (Kufr) instead of faith ( Eemaan). If any of you do so, they are wrongdoers." (9:23) Allah the Exalted said: "You will not find any people that believe in Allah and the Last Day loving those who oppose Allah and his Messenger (sulallahu alayhi wa salam), even though they were their fathers, sons, brothers, or relatives...." (58:22) Allah the Glorified forbade Muslims from supporting the Kuffaar, and the enemies of the 'Aqeedah. The Glorified commands us to support and love the Believers. Allah the Exalted said: "Your (real) friends are Allah, His Messenger, and the Believers,- those who establish the Salaat and pay Zakaat and bow down. As for those who turn to Allah, His Messenger, and the Believers(for friendship)- it is the part of Allah that will certainly triumph." (5:55-56) Indications Of Taking The Kuffaar As Friends (Mawlaat). #1 Imitating them in dress and lingo...... Imitating them in dress and lingo indicates loving them, and because imitation leads love, the Messenger of Allah (sulallahu alayhi wa salam) said: "Whoever imitates a people is one of them." Allah forbids imitating the Kuffaar in their worship, traditions, and things special to them. We should not imitate them in their appearance and morals. Also, we should not speak their language, except when necessary, and we should not adopt their way of dressing and eating. #2 Residence in their lands and not moving from their lands to the lands of the Muslims to save one's Deen. (This is a concise meaning of Hijrah).... Hijrah, according to this meaning, is an obligation upon every Muslim. Residence in the land of the Kuffaar indicates friendship with them. Allaah forbade the Muslims from residing in the lands of the Kuffaar, if they are able to make Hijrah. Allaah the Exalted said: "When angles take the souls of those who die while they have wronged their souls, they say, 'In what state were you?' They reply: 'We were weak and oppressed in earth.' [The Angels] say: 'Was not the earth of Allah spacious enough for you to move yourselves away (from evil) ? Such men will find their abode in Hell, what an evil refuge! Except those who are weak and oppressed: men, women, and children who have no means in their power, nor can they find a way (to escape). For these, there is hope that Allah will forgive, because Allah blots out (sins) and forgives again and again. " (4:97-99) #3 Helping them, giving them victory over the Muslims, speaking well of them and defending their honour..... These are some of the actions that negate a person's Islam. Seek refuge in Allah from that! #4 Seeking their aid.... "O you who believe! Do not take into your intimacy those outside your ranks. They will not fail to corrupt you. They only desire for you to suffer. Hatred has already appeared from their mouths, and what their hearts conceal is far worse. We have made plain to you the SIgns, if you have wisdom. Ah! you are those who love them, but they do not love you, though you believe in the whole of the Book. WHen they meet you, they say, "We believe,' but when they are alone, out of frustration and rage, they bite off the tips of their fingers because of you. Say: 'Perish in your frustration rage. Allah knows well all of the secrets of the heart.' If anything that is good befalls you, it grieves them, but if some misfortune overtakes you, they rejoice at it....." (3:118-120) The above verses show what is in the hearts of the Kuffaar about the Muslims, such as hatred, betrayal, evil, plotting, and the love for harm to affect them. They want harm to reach them by any means. They use the trust of the Muslims to plot against them. #5 Observing their holidays or helping them to make that celebration or congratulating them for their holidays or just being present at their celebrations..... The scholars say about the verse, "Those who witness no falsehood...."(25:72), that the description of the worshippers of the Most Merciful is that they do not gather at the celebrations of Kuffaar. #6 Supplicating for them and being compassionate to them.... Allah forbade these actions by His statement, "It is not fitting for the Messenger of Allah and those who believe that they should ask forgiveness for Pagans, even though they are relatives, after it is clear to them that they are companions of the Fire..." (9:13) Supplicating and having compassion for them causes us to love them and their(disgusting) practices. The Outward Manifestations Of Taking The Believers as Mawlaat. 1 Hijrah from the lands of the Kuffaar to the lands of the Muslims..... Hijrah means to move from the land of Kuffaar to land of the Muslims for the sake of saving one's Deen. Hijrah, with this meaning, is obligatory upon the Muslims until the sun rises from the west before the establishment of Judgment Day. The Messenger of Allah (sulallahu alayhi wa salam) said that he is free from he Muslim who lives among pagans. If a Muslim can move from the lands of the Kuffaar, then Allah forbids him to stay in those lands. He may stay, if he gives da'wah and propagates Islam, and shows his Deen openly. Allah the Exalted said, "When angels take the souls of those who die while they have wronged their souls, they say, 'We were weak and oppressed in the earth.' [The Angels] say: 'Was not the earth of Allah spacious enough for you to move yourselves away (from evil)? Such men will find their abode in Hell, what an evil refuge! Except those who are weak...For these, there is hope that Allah will forgive, because Allah blots out (sins) and forgives again and again." (4:97-99) #2 Helping the Muslims with money, body, and tongue in what they need in their Deen and material life... Allah the Exalted said: "The Believers, men and women, are protectors, one of another," (9:71) #3 Feeling sympathy for the Muslims whenever harm comes to them and feeling happy when good comes to them.... The Messenger of Allah(sulallahu alayhi wa salam) said: "The example of the Muslims is like a body shares that hurt (like a body stricken) with a fever and no sleeping." Then he(sulallahu alayhi wa salam) said: "The Believer to another Believer is like a building. " (He then brought his hands together with his fingers intertwine.) #4 Advising and counseling the Muslims. always loving good things to happen to them, not cheating them, tricking them or going behind their back.. The Messenger of Allah(sulallahu alayhi wa salam) said: "No one of you has Eemaan until he loves for his brother what he loves for himself," and , "A Muslim doesnt betray his brother Muslim nor does he go behind his back." #5 Making supplication for them and asking forgiveness for them... Allah the Exalted said: "Know, therefore, that none has the right to be worshipped except Allah. And ask forgiveness for your fault, and for the believing men and women..." (18:28) We should know that both the requirement and the concept of al-walaa and al-baraa stems from the shahaadah. It is a matter of faith and thus of fundamental importance. Loving and hating for the sake of Allah is one of the major pillars of Eemaan. Nowadays, people love each other for the sake of worldly life and seeking to gain benefit, even though the one that is loved is an enemy of Allah, His Messenger(sulallahu alayhi wa salam), and the Deen of the Muslims. Muslims today should disassociate with the People of Disbelief and Falsehood and associate with the People of Islam and Eeman. Muslims today should live by this principle.

Castro, read these carefully, and try not to automatically respond in defense mode. I want you to benefit from this, and it is not an attack on you. This would have been better if done in person where you could get a sense of gentleness and care from me, however, the cold medium of words on a screen is what we have to work with. In this response, I am trying to show you how I believe that you are doing something that could harm you. I want to warn you away from these harmful things because I love you for the sake of Allah and I want good for you, so please keep this in mind, and don't rush to any conclusions or responses. Try to see what I am showing you from my perspective. You said: What happened to the prevention-of-vice-and-promotion-of-virtue commandos? The prevention of vice and promotion of virtue is a good thing, and is part of Islam. It is enjoining the good and forbidding the evil. To make fun of this concept and those who uphold it by calling them "commandos" is cleary sarcasm and mockery of this noble principle of the Deen, and mockery of anything from Islam nullifies one's deen. You said: Such ideas (such as kufr) are frowned upon and could lead you to get banned from here. Not that you probably care one way or the other but there is no tolerance of disbelief in god around here. None. In fact, there's not much tolerance period. Consider this a friendly and brotherly advice from Castro. No person who openly declares kufr and apostates from the religion is fit to be your brother or your friend if you are a muslim. Think of Umar, radiaallahu anhu, who would have given this person just a few days to repent, after which they would have been decapitated if they did not make tawbah and re-submit to Islam. Would you have said something against this if you were to have witness it happening? You said: Atheist or not, I like Callypso It is not permissible to like someone who has apostated from the religion and openly states their kufr. Such a person is the enemy of Allah, yet you are testifying publicly that you like them. You said: Shall we slay them instead? Just give me the word, I'll do it. This is once again sarcasm towards an established part of Islamic Law, which is the capital punishment for apostates, carried out in the lands where the law of Allah is upheld as government. You said: Baashe, this is for you and everyone Displaying the kuffaar symbol for peace - a white dove with an olive twig in it's beak - you are declaring what appears to be loyalty to persons who have apostated from the religion and declared their kufr openly. Your use of the word "everyone" is seeking to include the apostates with the muslims together in peace with you, when an apostate is clearly described as an enemy who deserves capital punishment for his crime according to the Shari'a. You said: Don't be (wary or cautious) saaxib. With Castro, what you see, is what you get. Everytime. I'm quite tolerant of diverse beliefs and lifestyles. This you posted in response to someone who openly declared kufr and apostated from Islam. You are giving the message to them not to worry, that their kufr and their apostacy is OK with you, and that they are your friend and ally. In reality they should be worried, because if they die upon unbelief, they will be punished for eternity in the fire of Jahannum, and as a believer it is upon you to warn them. Do you not think a person should be warned about this? You said: If a hyprocite (or infidel or other nice labels) is what you or the brother wanted to give me, why then hide behind verses of the Quran? Just do it. Where does political correctness come into fighting the infidels and their collaborators? If you admitted to being a collaborator with infidels, then you would be appropriately labeled a munafiq. Otherwise, no. You said: So you have abstained from dealing with and have denounced every "disobedient transgressor who have rejected Allah and His signs"? Brother, you must be having a hard time living, and enjoying, life among kufars and hypocrites in the land of kufars and hypocrites. Unless, of course, what you say on here is not what you really believe or practice. Have you denounced every disobediant transgressor who has rejected Allah and His signs? Allah subhana wa ta'ala denounces them, and tells us to do the same. Shouldn't we obey His command if we believe in Him? Are you not having a hard time living among the kufar and hypocrites, or do you enjoy their company? Are you not planning to somehow leave and find residence in the Land of the believers? Indeed, a believer should rightly hate to be in the land of the disbelievers, among the mushrikeen, the fasiqun and the munafiqun. May Allah make it easy for us to make hijra to the land of the believers. And last but not least, you said: I should be careful when to play fast and loose with topics. Some topics are far too sensitive and joking around in them is a grave matter. I understand, now, and going forward, I will make every effort to save my shenanigans for more light-hearted matters. This is the best thing you said in the whole post, mashallah. May Allah increase you in this, and make it easy for you.

hey, typing and quoting and all that stuff is hard work, especially when you have a wife who is jealous of your computer and how much time you spend with it.

*sigh*.. you are going to make me work hard to explain all this to you.. ok akhi. give me a little time to prepare it (not tonight). take your guard down ok. you don't need it.

Here are my friends

Originally posted by sahal: "Don't kiss my hand," Saudi king tells citizens Sunday September 11, 09:29 AM Mashallah, mashallah. Allahu akbar.

Bismillah ar-Rahman ir-Raheem Castro: (please tell me your real name, because I don't like to call you castro - the real castro was a kaffir). Know that the best speech is the speech of Allaah, and the best guidance is the guidance of Muhammad sulallaahu alayhi wa salam. This method of quoting ayat or hadeeth in response to whatever situation I find myself involved in, it is the methodology of our righteous forefathers, which can be easily seen and learned by studying their books. Also, if you read Qur'an you will see that Allah tells us what to say and how to say it, for every occasion and for all times. What benefit will we get if we don't apply it and use it in our daily lives? It wasn't sent down for nothing! It is not that I hide behind Kalam Allah, it is that I hold the Kalam Allah and His Messenger sulallahu alayhi wa salam in reverance, placing them first and foremost in every matter. I say to you brother Castro, Salam Alaykom, which means peace be to you (I will not harm you). Do not take offense at what I have posted in response to your statements. I am simply showing you in the most direct way possible that you are making some statements that contradict the teachings of Islam. Realize that the most direct way to show you how your words are at odds with the teachings of Allah and His Messenger sulallaahu alayhi was salam, is to put them next to one another to show the clear contrast. Indeed it is not out of context. There could be no other way that is more direct and honest, right to the point. I am not going to beat around the bush. I wish that maybe the sharp contrast will make it easy for you to see, and I pray that Allah will guide me and you to the truth, as I wan't good for myself and good for you my brother. This has nothing to do with politics. Politics is a Greek word, and it has a Greek meaning, and behind its Greek meaning is a Greek idea, which is based in kufr. The Greeks were and still are polytheists and disbelievers, except those whom Allah had mercy on. I will have nothing to do with their dirty politikos. Brother, there is something called al-Walaa wal-Baraa. Al-walaa means loyalty and al-bara means disownment. In the context of Islam al-walaa is loyalty to Allah and whatever He is pleased with as well as friendship and closeness to the believers, whereas al-baraa is freeing oneself from that which is displeasing to Allah and disowning the disbelievers. To love for the sake of Allah, and to hate for the sake of Allah. We as muslims have to make all of our love and all of our hate for the sake of Allah. So who do we love for the sake of Allah, and who do we hate for the sake of Allah?

One more for the road.. ÙˆÙŽØ¥Ùذَا Ù‚Ùيلَ Ù„ÙŽÙ‡Ùمْ آمÙÙ†Ùواْ كَمَا آمَنَ النَّاس٠قَالÙواْ Ø£ÙŽÙ†ÙؤْمÙن٠كَمَا آمَنَ السّÙÙَهَاء أَلا Ø¥ÙنَّهÙمْ Ù‡Ùم٠السّÙÙَهَاء وَلَـكÙÙ† لاَّ يَعْلَمÙونَ And when it is said to them (hypocrites): "Believe as the people (followers of Muhammad Peace be upon him , Al-Ansâr and Al-Muhajirûn) have believed," they say: "Shall we believe as the fools have believed?" Verily, they are the fools, but they know not. (Al-Baqarah 2:13)

Originally posted by Castro: Baashe , this is for you and everyone: ÙˆÙŽØ¥Ùذَا Ù‚Ùيلَ Ù„ÙŽÙ‡Ùمْ لاَ تÙÙْسÙدÙواْ ÙÙÙŠ الأَرْض٠قَالÙواْ Ø¥Ùنَّمَا نَحْن٠مÙصْلÙØ­Ùونَ And when it is said to them: "Make not mischief on the earth," they say: "We are only peacemakers." (Al-Baqarah 2:11)

Originally posted by Castro: Atheist or not, I like Callypso. Arabic 4 ÙˆÙŽØ¥Ùذَا رَأَيْتَهÙمْ تÙعْجÙبÙكَأَجْسَامÙÙ‡Ùمْ ÙˆÙŽØ¥ÙÙ† ÙŠÙŽÙ‚ÙولÙوا تَسْمَعْ Ù„ÙقَوْلÙÙ‡Ùمْ كَأَنَّهÙمْ Ø®ÙØ´ÙبٌمّÙسَنَّدَةٌ يَحْسَبÙونَ ÙƒÙلَّ صَيْحَة٠عَلَيْهÙمْ Ù‡Ùم٠الْعَدÙوّ٠ÙَاحْذَرْهÙمْقَاتَلَهÙم٠اللَّه٠أَنَّى ÙŠÙؤْÙÙŽÙƒÙونَ And when you look at them, their bodies please you; and when they speak, you listen to their words. They are as blocks of wood propped up. They think that every cry is against them. They are the enemies, so beware of them. May Allâh curse them! How are they denying (or deviating from) the Right Path. (Al-Munafiqun 63:4)

Originally posted by Shams-ud-Din: ...either way, your spelling is wrong or your spelling and grammar both are wrong... Well that should come as no surprise. Ma fahmin Somali. ...Please reconsider your stances on the use of unnecessary pictures... Well, the problem is that my imaan keeps increasing and decreasing. When it decreases, I get shubahaat about digital images of faces. When it increases, I become afraid. What I supposed to do? And about the Shaafici thing.. I sense you want to explain in detail WHY it is not that simple, so do tell, by all means, ka waren

Originally posted by Naku Penda Piya: ^^ Somali ideology? Do you even understand what you quoted? :confused: My family translated it for me

Originally posted by Alle-ubaahne: War shiiq Nuur, maandhoow igaarta u tartiibi... ^^^ That is pure Somali idealogy to the hilt. It even agrees with the Shaafici madhhab view (so favored by Somalis) that one may marry additional wives in secret!!

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WHY THE ISLAMIC CENTRE BIRMINGHAM HAS SUSPENDED PROCESSING KHULA’ APPLICATIONS? (In answer to the numerous questions asked regarding this issue) ** BACKGROUND ** 1. We decided initially to process khula’ applications for sisters because: a. Many of the UK based organizations are blind-bigoted followers of the sects of misguidance utilizing false principles and issuing fatawa based upon desires. b. We know of many cases where a khula’ would be issued or withheld based on sectarianism or racial grounds, not upon the merits of the application of the wife nor the response of the husband. c. A husband would be unjustly separated from his wife based upon differing racial backgrounds. d. Sisters from an Indo-subcontinent background would sometimes be forced into marriages without their consent, whereby they would be taken abroad, their passports taken away from them and forced into marriages. e. Sisters would be forced to stay in marriages wherein a husband would not pray his prayers at all or belong to a sect that is involved in major shirk or kufr, such as the rawaafidh or grave-worshippers. f. Many sisters have embraced Islaam newly from other religions. In most cases they would not have any relatives who are Muslim, whether that be from their mahrams or in terms of guardianship. We found that some of them would be in marital relationships that were violent and abusive. They would have no recourse to seek help and aid except by way of the likes of ourselves. 2. So in light of this we decided to establish a procedure whereby we would utilize the established fatawa of the Major Scholars of this Ummah, such as Shaykhs Ibn Baaz, Ibn Uthaymeen, Al-Fawzaan and the Lajnah Daa’imah in the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia. Also that the scholars would be contacted to resolve any conflict of stories between the various parties. 3. We had a standard form which was given to applicants. On the final page of this application form it clearly states: quote: “We will send a copy of this form to your husband for review and response. If he disputes any of the points you have brought, and they are a valid obstacle to the khula', they will be considered and put under review. If however, the reasons are invalid from a Sharee'ah perspective, we will notify you of our decision. You must realise that you are still married to your husband up until you receive a khula' certificate from us that clearly states that your marriage has been dissolved. Our rulings are taken from the fatawaa of the Major Scholars from their famous well-known rulings. The likes of Ash-Shaykh Ibn Baaz, Ash-Shaykh Ibn al-Uthaymeen, Ash-Shaykh Abdul-’Azeez Aalush-Shaykh and Ash-Shaykh Saaleh al-Fawzaan and the Permanent Committee Of Major Scholars Of The Kingdom Of Saudi Arabia. If the issue at hand requires a specific judgement not clearly found in the fatawaa books, then a specific scholar is contacted for a verdict. The effect of a khula' is similar to that of a divorce in that the marriage is terminated. Once the khula' is issued, there is no taking back (i.e. The wife cannot take her husband back and the husband cannot return to his wife) in the iddah [the waiting period]. The waiting period [ iddah ] is one menstrual cycle or if the woman is pregnant, then the iddah is up until the child is born. During the iddah, the couple cannot co-habit. If the husband wishes to remarry the woman, he must re-apply to her guardian for marriage and the woman has the right to accept or refuse. An alternative method of khula' is that the wife asks her husband for a khula'. If the husband agrees, he can release her. He should wait till she is pure after her menses and should not have had a relationship with her, then he can release her. Further he must have the khula' witnessed. The Islamic Centre has the right to refuse any application for khula' at its own discretion. The cost of dealing with the application is set at £50 (Fifty pounds). This is non-refundable, even if you change your mind. So please be sure as to whether you wish to proceed, seek advice and make istikhaarah (the prayer for guidance) first. If we, The Islamic Centre, decide not to proceed with the application, the full amount will be returned to you. If we proceed with the application and you do not attain the khula', then your fee will not be returned. I have read all the above and answered truthfully all the questions. I realise that if I have been untruthful in answering the questions, this may nullify my application for khula' and I will lose the payment made for this application. Name of Applicant: Signed: Dated: Witnessed - Name: Signed: Dated: 4. A letter was then sent to the husband. This letter was of three types: Type 1 quote: Ref: Date: Copy to: Dear Mr Asslaamu alaykum wa rahmatullaah, We pray you are well. We are writing this letter to inform that your wife has asked to have your marriage dissolved and nullified (khula'). We have enclosed a copy of your wife's application for khula'. We hope to have the khula' concluded within 28 days of this letter. If there is a sharee'ah Islamic reason as to why this marriage should not be dissolved, please notify - in writing - us as soon as possible within the next 14 days. Wassallaam alaykum wa rahmatullaah. Your brother, On Behalf of The Islamic Centre. Type 2 quote: Ref: Date: Dear, Asslaamu alaykum wa rahmatullaah, We pray you are well. We are writing this letter to inform that your wife has asked to have your marriage dissolved and nullified (khula'). We have enclosed a copy of your wife's application for khula'. We hope to have this issue resolved within a month of this letter. If there is a sharee'ah Islamic reason as to why this marriage should not be dissolved, please notify us - IN WRITING - as soon as possible within the next 14 days. It is important that the response is sent in writing so that we can forward this response firstly to the wife, and secondly for our own records. We cannot accept a withdrawal of application by other than the wife. It is apparent from the application form that your wife states that you do not pray the five daily prayers, that you do not provide any financial support for her and beating her. The most severe of these is abandonment of the prayer, as this is regarded as unbelief (kufr) that exits a person from Islaam as has been stated by the Prophet, salallaahu alaihi wassallam, many of his Companions and the Imaams of this Religion such as Imaam Ahmad Ibn Hanbal, Shaykhul-Islaam Ibn Taymiyyah, Imaam Ibn Baaz and Allaamah Ibn Uthaymeen as well as the Standing Committee Of Major Scholars of the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia. If we do not hear any response from you, we may consider issuing a khula' assuming that you have no objections. We will to do this after seeking the rulings of the Muslim Scholars. Wassallaam alaykum wa rahmatullaah. Your brother, On Behalf of The Islamic Centre. 5. After the response of the husband, we would look into the affair and do as we stated: quote: “If he disputes any of the points you have brought, and they are a valid obstacle to the khula', they will be considered and put under review. If however, the reasons are invalid from a Sharee'ah perspective, we will notify you of our decision. You must realise that you are still married to your husband up until you receive a khula' certificate from us that clearly states that your marriage has been dissolved. Our rulings are taken from the fatawaa of the Major Scholars from their famous well-known rulings. The likes of Ash-Shaykh Ibn Baaz, Ash-Shaykh Ibn al-Uthaymeen, Ash-Shaykh Abdul-’Azeez Aalush-Shaykh and Ash-Shaykh Saaleh al-Fawzaan and the Permanent Committee Of Major Scholars Of The Kingdom Of Saudi Arabia. If the issue at hand requires a specific judgement not clearly found in the fatawaa books, then a specific scholar is contacted for a verdict.“ If the husband did not respond within 14 days – we would show further patience. IMPORTANT NOTE – WE HAVE NEVER ISSUED A KHULA’ AFTER 14 DAYS EVER! ** WHY WE SUSPENED DEALING WITH KHULA’ APPLICATIONS ** CLARIFIED The following are some of the reasons we have suspended receiving Khula’ applications: 1. Due to the great amount of time and effort it takes to deal with these cases. 2. Due to the false rumours and misconceptions that are spread by some of the brothers which harms the reputation of the da’wah. 3. Due to the complicated nature of some of the applications and the detailed investigations that are required which require sitting with a Judge. And this beyond our capacity at present.

Reasons other than jealousy? I have never heard any yet.. I am interested in hearing them if you would please elucidate. I would like to hear a novel perspective. As for the khula, you make it sound so simple. I think it is more complicated than that.. I was just reading about this masjid in the UK that suspended taking khula applications because it can get so complicated..

Originally posted by NGONGE: ^^^ No. I will not reprimand you anymore. I think my message was loud and very CLEAR . I shall turn my attention to the next person that does what you do. Make sure you keep an eye on our discussions. Now I'm going to feel neglected, Ngonge ;p

Raxiima, here is where the misunderstanding took place. Originally posted by Rahima: Amazing. Where in my post have I stated that I disliked that Allah sanctioned it as permissible? Please do quote me for I’m pretty sure I made myself very clear. This is offensive wouldn’t you say? I wasn't implying that YOU made a statement of dislike for the Legislation of Allaah subhana wa ta'ala. I recognize clearly that you would personally dislike the situation of being in a polygynous marriage, which actually falls in harmony with what comes to us from the Sunnah. The wives of the Prophet sulallaahu alayhi wa salam also did not like to be put into this situation either, and became jealous of one another, so much so in fact that he sulallaahu alayhi wa salam left all of them for a month because of the fitnah that erupted, he sulallahu alayhi wa salam refused to see them until they stopped fighting, which they eventually did, and never gave him any grief thereafter. It is understood that women often dislike this situation, however, whatever Allah has legislated has xikmah behind it, and if they are patient upon their religion, they are able to bear it, much good can come out of it, such as increased chastity, more children, stronger family and tribal ties, etc, etc.. This is all assuming that people understand and correctly apply the principals of their deen.. Ultimately, Allah's wisdom for legislation of polygyny is beyond the scope of our limited intelligence, but we should not rush to throw it away if we do not like it or if we disagree with it. Alternatively, the woman could seek a khula if she thinks she is not able to bear it. Khula, however is granted at the discretion of men, so the best decision would be reached by those men who have spent their life studying Islam and the Sunnah in earnest. Do we not agree? Marriage stipulations restricting the male from polygyny is invariably in dispute among the scholars, and few males would willingly sign away their God-given right anyway I think. I know I wouldn't. Actually the first question I asked my wife when I interviewed her for marriage was: Do you have a problem with polygyny? She promptly lied to me and stated she didn't - let me rephrase that - she changed her mind immediately after we were married. check. checkmate.. If the people are jahileen, then all kinds of bad situations will arise in their marriages, polygynous or not. So remember: Allah never tests us with more than we are capable of handling. He subxana wa tacala is ar-Raxmaan ar-Raxiim