TIGRENOIR, I thought DJABUUTI was part of FRANCE the mother of all .........!! I was feeling ya in your above post, but you lost me the moment you said DJabuuti..DJabuuti, they rather stay around CEDAR Villa(somali mecca in Minneapolis, MN) than going there.

I think those parents who send their kids to somalia, for Dhaqan Celin are the ones who failed their parental duties from the getgo. They should go for DHAQAN CELIN too. Dhaqan celin is a good idea but only after you fulfilled your parental duties and tried your best but turned out to be fruitless for whatever reasons...but first, be a good parent and dont let your kids learn from MUQAYILIINTA, THUGS, and all kinda ill people on the streets. Do your job first, then complain, but the other way around, is unaccceptable to me.....and that is what somali parents do.

Very unfortunate thing to see happening upon our future leaders to be, but we made this choice for them long time ago when we destroyed the place we call home and lead them to this backward world/culture of the west. Yes, they are all the things you said them to be, but is pointing at their faults will change a thing? I really dont know, I leave it open to the wise NOMADS. However, this is the kind of environment we exposed to them, so maybe some of us are to be blamed for this. We are not as innocents as you might think--but we aren't fully accountable for everything either(some are adults). Now, its upto us whether we want to make the same terrible mistake we did or take the matter in our own hands and make a future for our kids. How can we do that is another topic on its own!!

The question is, can we(youths) do a better job than they did/doing right now? If yes, what are we waiting for? "Meel hoo ubaahan hadal wax kamataro sxb". so let's put our best foot forward and help them as much as we can and forget the blaming game..remember, united we stand.......we fall!!

waxaan maqlay inaysan laba qof oo muslim ihi hadii ay rabaan in ay isguursadaan, 6 bilood kabadan isla socon karin.Waa inay 6 bilood ama kayar kudhamaystaan shukaansi gooda ama kukalatagaan. Diintu masheegtay arintan, maxayse kaqabtaa arintan? Rephrased for those who are challenged by the somali like me...am really bad in somali when it comes to writing. I heard that if a muslim brother and a sister are in the process of seduction or seducing each other in the hopes of a marriage, this proccess should not take more than 6 months. I was told that in Islam, more than 6 months is prohibited/not allowed. If they can not conclude within 6 months,then they have to let it loose and discontinue. I have no proof for this and have never had a chance to ask any sheikh but thanks God, I have you, NOMADS. Is this mentioned in the Quran,hadiith or in Islam for that matter? Again, I will remind you to refrain from answering this if you have no VERSES and HADIITHS. Thank you.

Thanks to all those who took the time and gave us a piece of their minds. Your time and efforts are appreciated. Thanks Correction: I did not mean to say that Minnesota somalis have more divorce rates than other cities or even countries, but I only used it for illustration purpose. I apologize if it sounded like I was puttin down the Minnesotans. So far,we have 6 posts and these posts raised 2 causes of the topic at hand-They are absolutely positively true and I couldn't agree more, but are they the only ones or the main ones? My Possible causes are:- 1. Lack of communication. A fact: somalis don't discuss and listen to one another. 2. We are culturally changing and don't value marriage no more. The list could go on and on, but most of the mentioned causes could be challenged by saying well, these things are not new but existed so many years among the somalis but the divorce rates were lower than this so, these things could not be the reasons and the causes. There were always lack of communication, less time investment on marriages, adultry and macsiyo before marriages and not basing the marriages on our religion. In fact, in the earlier times, there were men who saw their wives maybe one day and the next day,they either ask for her or abduct(labixitaan, carar,fokasho, iwm) her and they could be hus&wife for many yrs and really life/lead a happy and good life....So, time investment is in limbo i guess. TO those who said Marriages are not based on religion,I think that this is only partly true since we all know that many somali men used to marry their wives without even asking their in-laws. What our religion says these kinds of marriages? Not valid. U have to ask their "walii" if possible. Go ahead and do your own research please if you doubt this. I guess this one too,is in jeopardy--you may wanna rethink on this claim. Thanks again fellas. I have to say thanks for your encouragement Honesita, it was nice of you sister!!

Khadar, Sorry to say this, but it seems that till now you haven't yet figured out the motives and the reasons behind the helping hands of the western countries. You r blindfolded by this and thought westerners could do you a good. You even dared to take side of the "KUFAARS". How could you? Just arabs did not help you in times of adverses is a very weak, lame and ill reason to betray your brothers in Islam. Don't be narrow-minded brother. It is not about helping, it's about Believers and disbelievers. Its upto you to choose your side, because you only have infected mind and could do no good for us (MUSLIMS) untill u get rid of that twisted mind. How long will you be sleeping? Forever, because you been around the westerners to figure them out if you were paying attention.....I am lossing it brother so I have kill it right here ask ALLAH to guide you and all of us to the righteous path. Amiin...

FARAX inc., you definitely made me confussed more than my differential calculus Professor. Damn, what were sayin' bro. PLease, next time find an interprator or somethin' because we can not understand you. :confused: :confused:

Salaamu caleikum Divorce rate among the somalis in the "QURBAHA" is drastically increasing by the day. I guess u all noticed this ill-thing among the somalis nowdays....unless you are not concerned. I haven't got married yet but it just makes me wonder what is the cause root of this? What are the motives of getting married and divorcing few days in time?..Being a single mother/father has become what we value these days..at least that is the way it seems to me.This is what is going on especailly, in Minnesota. Look around and count how many single mothers/fathers you know personally. Then, You will realize there is a truth to this. I haven't done any researches on this but am sure it worth a while to write a thesis on this topic...Too bad am a business major. For those who live in Minnesota, you all know what am talking about. Seeing your friend getting married today and getting divorce few weeks later is a wierd thing and discouraging for the singles too. Lets see if we can agree on if such thing exists, if its, what is the cause root? and what are the solutions? Salaamz to all of you sisters and brothes

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Sorry to say this, but this topic is getting nowhere. It sounds as silly and senseless as you can imagine. Listen more than u talk folks-I meant it-not pause btween the impassioned arguments. Try to see it from the other person's point of view, so u can undestand that person better. It's a difficult road, but the only one worth traveling.I think its the time you pause for a minute and make sense out of what you r saying to each other-u keep on repeating the samething thru out--ya'all full of negativities. Its time to take a deep breath and take a look around. Besides, critisize the idea not the person-ya'all have the right to disagree if you choose to but please do not insult ur sisters and brothers. It's so difficult to settle ur differences when all you do is to blindfold yourself to see the truth and critisize one another. 2 wrongs dont make one rite. I think u could agree on one thing but u just chose to disagree for some reasons. Please evaluate yourself and exercise some reality checks. Am not gonna say so and so is rite and so and so is wrong because each of u is right in one way or another or vice versa. Dont be egocentrics. Give each one his/her share of deservatives. Be nice and respectful to one another folks. Be mindful of ur words, they sure carry lots of weight-the way u say it isn't necessarily the way others interprete. "Hadalku waa margi, nina si udheh, nina si u qaaday." They surely, will haunt u down sooner or later. Tukale, QAALA RASUULU-ALLAH S.C.W, LA YUUMINU XADUKUM, XATAA YUXIBU LI AKHIIHI MAA YUXIBU LINAFSIHI- waan iniin jilcinayaa macnaheeda-"Qof/ruux/mid idinka mid ihi ima rumayn ilaa uu lajeclaado wallaakiis waxa uu naftiisa lajecelyahay" Ya'all failed and violated these words of the prophet salawaatul Allahi Aleyhi. Ya'all so selfish and mean that u can not even shade a bit of light at points where ur opponents are right and refused to admit when u r wrong. I see a crime against the NOMADS here. How do u expect others to say u right if u can't say to 'em urself. It takes a grown man/woman to say "AM wrong". Be one today and prove this theory wrong fellas. For those who still can't see the light, I suggest you keep on seeing ur pschiaist(i kno ma spellings plz) becuz u r some distrubed NOMADS. May Allah accept our prayers, saum and guide us to the right path in this holly month of RAMADAN and many others to come..Amiin... Amiin. Ismaqal dambe oo xiise leh. Insha Allah. so long fellas.

That was funny Lakkad. Besides, it is a lesson learned for the sisters to avoid misleading and inviting the greedy brothers in their rooms.

That's right. what you say doesn't matter, but how you say does really matters. I give you some statistics here to back it up so bear with me please. This is how communication is broken down. Words carry 7% of the communication. Facial expressions 38% " " " other cues such as tone of voice, pitch, eye contact e.tc. carry 55% The way u say things falls under the last category so, fellas, be careful of how you say things---especially to ladies ---@lol

Ismahaan, You should be mindful of what you post here because that thing was tasteless but rather ill thing to bring the brothers down. Besides, most of us here are too deep in this game and been around for a long time and never came a cross such a hard-headed chick---I love rude girls, i wish i could see that an imaginary girl you were talking about in ur nonexisting story. peace fellas