what is maturity? Maturity is an ambiguous term, and is subject to many defintions. My interpretation of society's definition: -- Having respect and understanding for others oppinions, beliefs, feelings. -- Standing up for what you believe in, while remaining true to the above. -- Taking responsibilty for one's actions and working through the consequences. -- Contributing to society in the best way you are capable, at all times. -- Handling tasks and duties in a way that reflects your very best effort. -- Coming to terms with things/people you do not agree with ... or at least trying. -- Extracting a little wisdom from each hard lesson you've experienced. -- Possessing the ability to make sound judgement (my friend is drunk; I should try to disuade him from driving home/not accept a ride with him). That's just off the top of my head.

Baashi, I could not have said it better. Afkaaga Caano dhay ah oo geeli Nugaaleed laga soo maalay lagu qabay. One more galaas of Caano plz. Simply FANTASTIC .

LS! Not only a “sizable Somaliland population” whereas most if not all Somali qabiil inhabit in that region. Certainly, it the only place you can find different qabiil lives in a same village peacefully. That is not the problem here, the name calling is. He should not have to call people "Eskimos" even if there is sizable somaliland population. Should he?

and btw the eskimos is a word that my mate uses to describe the people who live in the ogadeen What a joke LYNX!! Isn’t! Unfortunately, it turn out to bad joke. Please, try again. sheekadaas oo kale dadka ha la dhex iman. Certainly, You and your so-called " BOZO" mate can infantailze privately. Not only you will be perceived as someone who is inconsistance, whereas i suspect you showing, your level of ignorance, which might cost you a lot in the future. Here is my humble advice of a day for you LYNX " THINK TWICE BEFORE YOU BARK", also aqligaaga ku hadal not that of your freind.I guess that will help for today. Till then so long.

One must note, that the people of this region are under constant oppression and enduring a great deal of brutality. Ethiopians are putting the cart before the horse here. The status of TPLF and Ethiopian dectatorship is currently " UNSTABLE " resambles someone who is nothing but hopeless waiting the death certificate to be issued. Let them start sooner rather than later its own people will take over peacefully.

NSS commander now PRESIDENT DAHIR quick feet RIYAALE KAHIN THE BORAMA BOMBER Dantay1..llooolll ...you are bad!! SXB

what is "fadhleen" ..since we use lots of arabic word that is appropriate choice i assume.

Good topic Bach! We as a somali, are not any different from the other society. We value money and we share it with others easily comparing to other people. In other word, we tend to be much easier on it. The impact of money is unquestionably is far greater now than ever. People fight for it. People lie for it. People die for it. Money is used all over the world to buy things. Money is what we use to get things that we want. Since we all do not want to make everything that we use on a daily basis we need to have a form of currency in order to split up the work between all of us. Thus money only acts as an agreement that we have made with ourselves to show us how much work we are doing for society. People in general put too much emphasis on money. Money is important, but I think people have lost track of the idea behind money and simply care too much about the money itself. When money is involved a class difference will always occur. When money exists there will always be a case of those that have the money, and those that do not. People who have the money often become obsessed with the money itself. Due to this they lose track of the bigger picture. Since money is a social construct, we should be willing to give it up when needed. Many people work hours upon hours in jobs that pay poorly because they need to do so in order to support their family. What amazes me is some of the more fortunate call these people slackers, or much worse just because they could not afford college. All the while these more fortunate spend money on useless trinkets to fill their shallow lives. That is right, shallow lives. A life devoted to the gathering of money is often devoid of the greater joys of life. I am speaking in generalizations here, but it often is the case. Let me start with college itself. Many college students say that they are going to college in order to get well paying jobs. That is all well and good to an extent, but that should not be the main reason one should attend college. Like I mentioned, going to college is a great honor and everyone should make the best of it. Those that are lucky enough to go to college should take the time to find what is truly important to them. Getting a job is important, but finding yourself is more important. I have heard of many people who plan to go into jobs because it pays well. They think that the money that they will get from the job will bring them happiness, but they are just fooling themselves. After college, when actually in the job, the people go through the same routine over and over again and are miserable. They might have money, but if money is all you have and all you search for, your search will end quickly as you find your illusion, but happiness will not come. Money is a necessary evil that we must use to make our lives easier. It should only be used in such a manner though. We do not need to keep up with the Jones’. We don’t need to buy expensive clothes and food. We don’t need to buy the latest crave. Money we need to use for services. If we have all the services that we need, as well as some perks along the way, we don’t need the rest of our money. Thus, those that have the money should offer it those that do not. What do I mean by this though? No one needs a $30,000 car. The $10,000 car will be able to get you to your destination just like the $30,000 car will. With that extra $20,000 imagine all the good that you could accomplish. You could buy some computers for a school in the inner city. You could donate it to the city in order to help clean up a park. You could find a brilliant child in the have not category and give them the chance to go to college and find out whom they really are. The difference between the expensive car and a less expensive car is just one example of how to use money to truly make a difference. What is the importance of money then? The importance of money is to purchase what is needed for life based upon society’s need of you as a supporting member of the whole. What you get paid per hour represents how society judges your worth. Far too often though, people who accomplish great tasks get pushed into the shadows because they do not have as much money as the other guy. Take that money out of your wallet and take a good look at it.

Guys not only these people are sick, check this out what they are trying to tell the world....poor ppl ----------------- Ethiopian Almaz Terrefe is on a mission to get people closer to their own urine and faeces. The first stage: Collecting human waste She believes that human waste products are ideal fertiliser for domestic gardens. Through her organisation, the Society for Urban Development in East Africa (Sudea), she is trying to persuade people to adopt her system of ecological sanitation (ecosan), which she is convinced is cleaner and more environmentally friendly than the water closet or the pit latrine. The crucial thing, she says, is that nothing should be thrown away. "If everybody recycled and used their own urine and faeces as fertiliser, nobody would starve in Ethiopia," she says. A bold claim indeed, but Almaz practices what she preaches - so she knows that it works, and as she told me everything starts in the toilet. 'Clean' urine The toilet she showed me looked like a normal toilet but in a box, with two compartments to catch the urine and faeces. Middle stage: Filling bottles of urine I decided to use the toilet to follow the process. After I had successfully completed my task, we poured my urine into a jerry can, which when full sits in the garden waiting to be used on what is a very fertile looking vegetable patch. Almaz has 100 litres of urine lined up in five jerry cans, but denies this is unhygienic. "Urine is clean. In Korea they let people drink their own urine as medicine. The faeces contains all... the dangerous bacteria so you have to compost it." Proof A short car journey away is Yeshi's compound, complete with the special toilet and compost heap. It's cheap fertiliser and I'm able to make money by selling my vegetables Yeshi This compound used to be very messy and had no toilet or plants, Almaz told me. But there is now no turning back, for Yeshi, a mother of five, who has used ecosan for three years. "We were told at the beginning about how useful it is in keeping the surroundings clean, not spoiling the water and how economical it is. "And now I have started using the system I can see it works because the place is clean, it's cheap fertiliser and I'm able to make money by selling my vegetables," Yashi said. Almaz certainly has her converts, but only, it has to be said, 300 in seven years of work. Almaz, however, is quick to say that this is a pilot study and the real thing is yet to come. And, as they say, the proof of the pudding is in the eating, so back in Almaz's garden I had to try one of her vegetables fertilised by urine and faeces. It was very tasty.

If that is true, we will see how he reports a "real story", FOX has bad repeatition. The decision is upto Rageh to make. However, my hubmle advice, would be go for Al jazeera network and make your Nomad proude.

I believe no topic should be deleted, as long as we argue with each other respectfully. Our differnce should not be seen as weakness rather diverse point of view. Gediid said, Ethiopians or Kenyans have no mercy for you but people from Somaliland do,they are your people and not your enemies. TRUE, the people of somaliland is not enamy. Whereas the "self-declared" government is indeed has no marcy. The regime has handed over a good number of ALLAH fearing, innocent somali men, from somaali galbeed, who came for "magan galyo" to the burtal dectatership regime of Xabasha. To be killed and excuted marely because they are "wadaado". It is sad and regrateful. When the north somali longing for self determination from its own somali people, on the other hand, supporting ethiopians and oppossing those who fight for their freedom. Isnt that inconsistancy? :confused:

Interesting! All somali war lord has their own version of "unite" which lacks both vision and support from the people. Its interesting how somali people will react to this fellow. Anyways, no one so far has united them; therefore, there is no reason to be excited. By the way is he a real Doctor, i mean PH.D holder or just another somali dr.? just curious.

Ladiif! You totally missed the topic sxb! As far as i am concernd your response is irrelevant to the topic.

Well Mujahid that was really good econ. calculation..fanatastic theory or game. Thank you, Bachelor, for posting this interesting link. I happened to have watched some of the 60 Minutes documentary, and was impressed with the Bhutanese government's approach to development. I must note, however, that apparently, there are political problems in Bhutan. I don't know enough about these problems to comment. I see the Bhutan lesson for Somalis as follows: Bhutan is attempting to develop socially on its own terms, much like Europe or China had done for over a thousand years. Instead of fully exposing itself to 'Western' culture. There is merit is such an approach. In my view, Somali's problems are a result of social underdevelopment. We remain socially underdeveloped having gone through our Dark Ages , followed by the shock of exposure to the 20th century, which we were not ready for. Had Somalis, by happenstance, had the chance to settle and develop, reform, build its institutions, mostly from within, as all the 'great' civilizations have, we would be in a much better state. A good analogy for the Bhutan approach is the law of the 'Prime Directive' in the fictional world of Star Trek. This law states that the Federation of Planets, a somewhat technically advanced group of planets, may not interfere in the natural development of other cultures that they encounter. For example, if they encounter a planet whose residents are still using ox and plow, they are not allowed not toss them a couple of tractors. The reason for this law is that the results of such interference cannot be foreseen, and may be disastrous. And, perhaps more importantly, it is a recognition of the fact that if these societies were left on their own, they will not necessarily evolve into something like the Federation, but they will follow another path, perhaps more glorious. I am not advocating that everyone lives in their own little cocoon and that all cultures are relative. I am just saying that there must be balance. Bhutan is trying to reach a proper balance. I hope that one day, somalis (nomads) grows up and starts a similar journey. As Mujahid said "Lets unite" before everything.

Thanks for the enlightenment Caveman! I didnt know we had all this provebs in our language. I recall few of them but no nearly enough as you did. Anyways thanks.

recently i came across of an interesting book of 'African proverbs' unfortunately it is all on women, going through it I found it very amusing and satirical of women as well. I just wondered if any one have come across a proverb book written on men? it also gives a good analysis on how proverbs used in the olden days to suppress women to submit to the society. this book also calls proverbs "cream of language" but not all the contents were sweet cream!! so have a look at some of them for your amusement. .... Women is like the earth: everone sits down on her (Zaire) The man may be the head of the home, the wife is the heart. (Kenya) A wife is like an old cooking pot: you don't let your friend keep it for you. (Uganda) A women is like the merino sheep: her beauty is judged by the backside . ( lesotho/South Africa) Women is like a corn cob: you have no teeth, you hardly eat. (Gabon/Cameroon) Married women are like elephant tusks: you don't touch them. (Kenya) Never marry a women with bigger feet than your own . (Malawi/Mozambique) Women is a fire. If you have to, take a little. (Senegal) To bear a gril is to bear a problem. (tigrinya/Ethiopia) A women is like a shield: you call it light until you try it on. (Uganda) a women is more than her ; goats also have two. (Rwanda) Women are like earthenware plates: not to be thrown in the waste pit. (Kongo, Zaire) Your duty to your wife does not end with a cloth (baule, Ivory Coast) No girl ever died without being told: "Turn my way" (Rwanda ) Do not despise a woman you have not undressed (bemba, Zambia) The husband of a lazy wife : his nights are good his day bad. (Mali ) Believe a women's word the day after (Kenya) If your wife is unfaithful, it does not mean that you sleep alone, (Ashanit, Ghana) You can trust your brother, your father, your mother, but never your wife (Benin) Take a woman for what she is : a sister of the devil. (Yoruba, Benin) women without man is a field without seed. (Zaire) When a women makes the giant drum, it is kept in the man's room Women have no king (Bari, Sudan) . The hen knows when it is morning, but she looks at the mouth of the . (ashanti, Ghana) Beat your wife regularly; if you don't know why, she will (west Africa, possibly of Arab origin) A women knows her own husband but not his master. (Afar, Ethiopia) A women in trousers? what's dangling inside? (fon, Benin) siters dont take this seriously!

lulla i am the orginal observer Anyways, Its not merely somali people do that whereas, the entire people judge each other. The way one dresses and looks (impression) have a great influence in every society. Mankind is becoming to materialistic.

what is the real definition of terrorist? I need a broad explanation. plz help a :confused: nomad!

Why African Nation have too mcuh dictators? WHAT DO YOU THINK? Not only too much dectatorship but also visionless, corruption, greediness and after all they don't want to transfer power after their term is over and that is the most disgusting thing they are doing! Are Africans are incapable of leading themselves?

Hi there! Dont be confused! They are not any different or better from those who are reuining somalia. The reality you are being confused of is, Indeed all groups are based on trible. Eventually the majority who inhabits the land will represent itself.

If i were Saddam, Simply i would not have distroyed my "Al-samuud2" missile. And i would have used "Game Thorey" unless i get assurance that U.S wont invade my country. Now it seems he distroyed his weapon and invasion of Iraq is inevitable. He puts himself in "loss loss" situation. In the mean time, this war's outcome is hard to predict, never under-estimate the Iraqi people. They are very strong people.

Sorry for not being clear, all kind of Acadamic Education and of course Back home in Somalia.

Good point, this place was my first stop often but since SOL was down for quite sometimes, i just jumped to other sites. Anyways its good to be back and i hope all of you guys doing good.

Eventually, as Nafisa said its seems forever, and i missed all the nomads. Glad to be back and the admin. should make sure next time it wont take that long. Anyways keep the faith.

Hello Nomads! Which language do you think is compatible and more appropriate for somali's to be tought in school Arabic or English?