Originally posted by Paragon: Murad, the coast is clear markaa . OO Kaalay Adigu listada minyaradana waad ku jirtaye, kana Misyar Marriage-kana ma ku jirta, Aar tan ookale

Originally posted by me: With this tread I am trying to raise 3 issues. 1. The SNM betrayed the Somali Nation and the Somali people by collaborating with the enemy of Somalia. 2. The SNM sacrificed and made the people of Hargeysa and Burco suffer for their own selfish gains. 3. The SNM was beaten by the Somali National army and this can be proven by the fact that the day that Mogadisho fell to the USC not one single village was in SNM hands. The whole cult of SNM worship that surrounds the SNM is built on lies. They were not Mujaahidiins they were more like traitors. They never fought for the bettering of the lives of the people of the North West they fought for gaining power. They had taken a calculated cold blooded decision to sacrifice the people they want to make us believe they were trying to defend. The sole responsible for the death, destruction and the humiliation of the people of the North West are the SNM. They attacked the cities with a small group of rebels that never stood a chance. They also tried to prevent people from moving out of the city, so that when the Somali National Army tried to recapture the cities there would be maximum civilian casualties. They committed genocide among the Hargeysawi's that were not of the SNM clan, so that there would be reprisals when they left the cities. The only bit that seems to be true in the cult of SNM worshipping is the claim that they drank their own urine. But then again you can ask yourself if the SNM was as mighty militarily as they would like us to believe why drink urine while there are wells everywhere? Oodweyne tell us please is it that tasty that you would prefer it over water? You are one-sided as far as you didn't talk what created the SNM in the first place, and why a great junk of military elites of Somali national army defected to the enemy, wasn't a scorched earth policy, mass executions, rapes, and cracking whip of Afwayne's unfairness which was sending young men to their early premature deaths, was the underlining story in here! I think you are not an objective writer that goes after the storylines, you need to spare us your nonsense, calayaqas, and bogus history mate.

Originally posted by Mr. Red Sea: Originally posted by Sharmarkee: [qb] Mr. Redsea, P.S, Sharmarkee walaal, samir iyo imaan ha kaa siiyo cidii dhimatay ee ku dhimatay dagalaada.Allana ha unaxariisto-Amin. Redsea, jazaak Allah for your compassionate, comforting words brother, the exit strategy of a muslim in a such horrible calamity is ((( Faman Caffa Wa Aslaxa Fa Ajrahu cala Allah, Innahu La yaxubu Al daalimiin))). One more thing it would have been nice if Somaliland becomes more in favour for equality, just, deceny and honesty, else people are disappointed by the sheer clan rivalary, contest and corruption in the land, were some people already asking themsleves why the hell did they fighted for in the first place ... if its endingup like this afterall.

Mr. Redsea, I've never said baydhabo and TFG have a better future prospectus for Somaliland, and I never underestimate the scarifice my Somalilanders did to regain their freedom and dignity, but I will never accept we gonna shut down the Somalis and bring in the ethopians. Where were u in 26th of May in 1988, when Mengistu kicked out the remainings of SNM, adhering to the orders of the Siyad Barre, they came in cos there was no other choice, they faced the mortar, the machine gun and all bombardment of a national army, the war was too close, personal and hand-to-hand,even house-to-house, the death and destruction was the order of the day. I lost my immediate family in the battle of Hargeisa. I only hate the idea Mr Redsea we gonna shut down the Somalis and get scared anything from Somalia and and bring in the Ethopians with speical treatment,that don't go down Saxiib. Never!

Both Somaliland and Putland are nothing more than an Ethopian proxy. What do we have in Somaliland, the border between zone5 or kilka-5 will be close soon, there will be only one gatway called TogWajaale, in will be just Killer Qaad,and locally brewed xabasshi wine called "Dajai" out is your hard-earned dollar from the diaspora, no jobs and no future. the only main port and busy port is mortgaged to the Ethopian defense forces, cos the town was lost its customers to Bosaaso long time ago, even its mayor Abudlla Xaji Ali is left few moons back to baydhaba, turning coats, and taking part of Somali wayne trail. What was the point when Mr.Ahmed Moahmed Silanyo said two weeks ago in bristol, "you know what? those who control somaliland are from the old-guard, the secret services and the ex-NSS", one of the audience said you are also from the old goverment of Siayd Barre Mr.Silanyo, kinda of vicious cirlce all togather. Let the wadaados come and have a fresh breath of air.

^^ There you are, Cambarro Cilmi, on the ball, taking on the world. Quite agree with You its time to be relieved men from Politics cos they failed miserably. http://www.news.wisc.edu/12929.html

Val, Miskiina, I thought you live in Chenney walk, Chelsea, the millionaires row beside the river Thames embankement, sorry am not coming in to brixton from bristol for an oily sanbuse. you need to slaughter something like orgi or wan. Afur wanaagsan. Ramdan Kariim all

^^ That similar stories goes on in yemen too, that somalis are killed and used as a spare parts, lack of unity brings lack of worthlessness and lack of dignity. death is envitable but acuudubilaah by the cheap death.

Tony Montana aka Scarface, Don't bring your day-dreams in here saxib, the wadadaados are marching on to the end - to Zeila saxib. they will take over somalia inashaAllah.

'Emotional abuse' affects one in three Jamie Doward, home affairs editor Sunday September 17, 2006 The Observer One in three adults say they suffered regular acts of 'emotional abuse' as children, with many admitting they were terrified of their parents when growing up. The disturbing findings, to be revealed in a report published tomorrow, have led to claims that the issue of emotional abuse has been ignored by society - to the detriment of a generation which has grown up with low self-esteem and confidence. 'Too often emotional abuse is not taken seriously when enormous damage is being done to individuals and to society,' said Mary Marsh, chief executive of the National Society for Prevention of Cruelty to Children, the charity publishing the report. 'We urgently need to address the scale and impact of emotional maltreatment on the current generation of children. Parents who emotionally abuse children systematically destroy their sense of worth and identity. Children can grow up in despair and loneliness, constantly on edge - like being trapped in a cage.' The NSPCC interviewed almost 2,000 adults and found that of those who regularly suffered emotional abuse, 33 per cent said it went on through their childhood. Six in ten said the abuse gradually stopped only when they got older or left home. More than half who claimed they were regularly abused said they had been habitually shouted or screamed at, while almost one in fi ve said they were often left afraid of their father or mother. A similar number said they were often called ****** , lazy or worthless. One in 20 was regularly told: 'I wish you were dead.' Despite such prevalence, there is concern that abuse often goes ignored - the charity found those working with children intervened to stop it only in one per cent of cases. As part of its Be The Full Stop campaign against child abuse, the NSPCC will tomorrow call on the government to encourage greater awareness of the problem. Source: The Source

Where is Baxrasaaf and Mirimi for goodness sake?

Well Femme, Caqli badan! right-on, that is the moral of the story unless someone want to ride an emotional roller coaster, and don't know where it will end - better keep the one who adores and loves you, for sure he will be the one who will makes you a princess and raise the roof for you if necessary, rather then someone you loved him but u dont know if he can return the same, or could become a bad investment.

^^ Lol@ Adeer, liiska masjidka hayga ilaawin, ma garatey? Interesting, ilayn Xaaji Xiin baa hayaa listadan la waayay? Ana igu dara dee

^^ They are angrey cos they losing the war to the few terrorists in Afghnistan and Iraq both places, while using all high-tech weapons on their disposal, such as B1 bombers, Harriers, F16s and Mirage 2000s, also dropping all kinds of bombs of all size and weight but they are still on the ran, and the poor terrorists are still keep coming to them, and killing them in scores. Soldiers reveal horror of Afghan campaign

Originally posted by Conspiracy: Conspiracy, what is your middle name?, and btw creating credit cards like that I get a job for you! just with a few master cards and we can amass a dough, you go your way and I go mine afterwards, think about that mate.

The Given Scenario, she is going to miss both trains: How? Imagination playing havoc here! Farah NO1, leaving the scene rejected, and broken hearted, and asking himself how did he lose the girl he was keepin an eye on for a long time: he leaves the scene singing: Walee Badhi-fur naaggood Raggu kama baxsanyo ilayn Bixiso weeeyaaaaan Farah No2, he didn't work hard for this love, his attributes and good looks is his passport, he laughted his way to the girl's heart. he is all hair and teeth as they say, he ticked all her boxes and beyond, but he is not sure if he loved her to some extent, and there is also many other girls in his life somehow, he became big-headed and womaniser, leaving her for the first stunner that amazes him. so lose both guys,(of course the story was fiction)

^^ This too Deero-Gaad, a poet from Hargeisa, emphsised in Adaab and akhlaaq of islam, Dadka waa la eega ninkii darjo kaa liita Waa la soo duceeyaa af-xumo looma soo diro Gooodness indeed and always is the best way foward while bad-mouthing is not the best option.

Originally posted by Mr. Red Sea: [QB] assalamu calaykum, waxaan aad iyo aad uga helaa ama aan ku farax san ahay in aan ka dhashay beesha Somaliyeed ee Ilaahay ku maneeyey ama ugu deeqay wax cid lasiiyo tan ugu qaalisan oo ah diinta Islaamka ah. Waxaan aad aan sidoo kale ku faanaa in aan ka dhashay umad aad utaqaan oo Ilaahay ku manaystay xigmada gabayga. Sidaad darteed ayaan hadana waxaan layaabay sida yar ee ay gabayahanada Somaliyeed uga gaabsadeen in ay xigmada Gabaygee Allah baray in ay Ilaahay iyo diintooda ay ku amaanaan oo ay u adeegsadaan sidii xiligii Carabtii hore ee xiligii nabiga jirtay oo kale. Waayo gabaygu waa shay aad u awoodwayn oo qaadi kara risaalad culus. Sidaad darteed markaad u fiirsato gabayada somaliyeed badi waxay ubadan yihiin wax qabiil ku faana, wax jecaly ka hadla, wax dhulka iyo nabaadkiisa amaanaya. Macnihii maxuma oo way fiicantay, laakin way fiicnaan lahayd hadii oo kor ayuu usoo kici lahaa gabayada somalidu haday ka shaqayn lahaayeen wax yaabo wanaagsan sida nabi amaanka, diinteena oo lagu daafaco, Allah oo lagu ixtiraamo awoodiisa. Mr.Redsea, Way jiraan Gabayada aad sheegtay laakinse, aqoonta gabayada ayaa aad innogu yar, This is Mohmaed Nur(not Mohamed Nur Fadal of Kenya) he emphasised the importance of Qadarka Ilaahay and destiny, though i think he dont have that kinda of knowledge like muslim imams but he understood well Al Qada - Wal Qadar, He said: Nin Labaatan Wiil Dhalay iyo nimaan aan weli lamaanaanin Lix dan nin ay u foofto iyo ninmaan weli layli raranaynin Kol hadaanu nin laasanahayn waxa u laacaaya Maxaan kaga lul moodaa aduun luma weeyaane.

^^ Kashafa, Huh, Walaak ya Mucawad, adulub alanjadah lil binaat, wa laa takuun tharthari Indeed the unatural segregation, the overpriced meher were girls just reaching an age of un-marriageable - called "Caanisaat" or "Guun" in our language. another factor is their fathers are mostly greedy and ask for unimagineable meher,a villa, a gold belts, and gifts of cars, which is worldly goods only the rich can afford, so most poor people miss the boat of marriage altogather. Another factor is due to the arabian culutral hertiage, which is totally unislamic were they believe women are generally are "Cawrah". In addtion to that,another bad news is one to be become a widow, for woman its like a death sentence, in Saudi arabia - culturaly untouchable sort of thing i don't way, all those factors are accumlated, and create a sexually deprived society, and sexually manic youth. Allah ya ciinahum.

^^ Centurion, There you are,here it's the source The Source

Fortunes of war: the creation of a Somali merchant diaspora Ethan Zuckerman has written a fascinating essay on expatriate Somalis who are investing in the country, either by returning home to start businesses or by opening Somali branches of foreign-based enterprises. The investment is apparently driven both by expanding economies in the Somaliland and Puntland enclaves and the perception that stability may be returning to southern Somalia. This favorable climate may or may not persist in the short term; for every positive sign of ports being reopened and piracy being suppressed, there are signals that the region may descend into another round of warfare. What this means over the longer term, however, is that the Somalis have become one of the world's newest merchant diasporas, and this could ultimately have a profound effect on the economy and politics of the homeland. To be sure, the Somali diaspora is hardly a new phenomenon. The history of Somali migration extends more than a century and has its roots in precolonial nomadism. Nevertheless, it can be divided into three distinct periods, with the most recent period less than twenty years old. During colonial times, when Somalia was divided between British and Italian control, Somalis emigrated to the metropole either as students or as laborers. Beginning in the 1950s and continuing through the first two decades of independence, there was considerable Somali migration to Saudi Arabia and the Gulf states, with the immigrants initially arriving as oil workers and following the same path of social mobility as the south Asians. Most recently, beginning with the onset of civil war at the end of the 1980s, Somalis have left their country as refugees. It is the last of these periods that has turned the Somali diaspora into one of the world's great transnational communities. Unlike the relatively small number of Somalis who participated in the first two periods of emigration, the war refugees number more than half a million. During the past twenty years, they have fanned out along three main migration routes: west to Europe and the United States, north to the Persian Gulf and southward to South Africa. The first two of these routes terminate in established Somali communities, with much of the migration going to the United Kingdom, Italy and the United Arab Emirates, but the third has opened up new frontiers for expatriate Somalis. Also, many emigrants never reach the end of the line; the vagaries of poverty, transportation and hostile immigration authorities cause many who take the western route to finish their journeys in Egypt and Libya, while those who take the northern route fetch up in Yemen and those who migrate south often settle in Kenya and elsewhere along the east African coast. These refugee communities are far-flung, but they share certain characteristics, and one of the common threads is a growing presence in business. This trend is most pronounced in Dubai, where Somalis are the largest African community and where an established population has existed for two generations. Thanks to this well-settled community and a favorable business climate, Dubai has drawn many refugees who were businessmen in Somalia and who were able to get away with some of their money and business connections. The Somalis have established a significant presence in the retail, hotel and import-export sectors, and their economic success has in turn established Dubai as the center of global Somali commerce. The Somali Business Council is based in Dubai, as are a number of large companies with satellite businesses in Somalia itself. The other Somali refugee populations haven't prospered to quite the same extent as those in the UAE, but they have also found niches in commerce, often starting businesses to supplement meager or nonexistent refugee allowances. Mulki al-Sharmani's study of Somali refugees in Egypt, for example, found that many Somalis had established small retail and service businesses, primarily aimed at a Somali immigrant market. In South Africa, which has a Somali population estimated at more than 7000, Somalis have settled in Western Cape province and become known for operating "tuckshops" or convenience stores. These represent two of the early stages in the development of merchant diasporas; like most such communities, first-generation Somali expatriates typically begin by selling to members of their own ethnic group and progress to small general-market businesses. Commercial success, of course, has its own hazards. Merchant minorities, especially foreign ones, tend to be resented by the local population, and the newest and least-established merchant minorities are often the most vulnerable to stereotyping and violence. In South Africa, 26 Somali merchants have been murdered in the past month, and the local Somali business community believes that its members are being targeted for racial reasons. There have also been reports of "meetings held by business owners... to plan the removal of Somalis from their townships," and although many officials (and the ANC) have condemned the killings, others blame them on "the uncontrolled access that migrants from the rest of Africa have in South Africa." As the Somalis establish themselves, develop local political connections and progress to more lucrative areas of business, they will likely become more secure, but at present their concentration in marginal businesses in economically depressed neighborhoods renders them However uneven the patterns of development, the fact remains that Somalis are becoming known throughout the world as businessmen, and their dispersion has enabled them to establish companies as nomadic as themselves. The Somali Telecom Group, for instance, was founded by expatriates in Rockville, Maryland, but has since moved its head office to Dubai. It initially organized most of its operations from abroad, but as it has become involved in creating a Somali telecommunications infrastructure, it has created satellite companies in Somaliland and Puntland (where there is functioning commercial law) and established ad hoc business networks in central Somalia. It's often hard to tell what makes certain cultural groups succeed in business, but in the Somalis' case, their traditional attitudes toward mobility may be part of the reason why they can establish themselves quickly in new countries and adapt to the anarchic conditions in their homeland. What remains to be seen is how the growing Somali commercial diaspora will influence the future development of Somalia. Merchant diasporas don't always invest heavily in their homelands and even those that do, often stay out of local political life. Those that do involve themselves in homeland politics sometimes have a negative impact; in several countries, hard-line nationalist groups are reinforced with diaspora money and political support. Others avoid these pitfalls, though, and the Somali business community, which has become increasingly politically organized over the past three years, has a chance to make a positive impact. As members of a relatively new diaspora, the Somali expatriates retain strong ties to the homeland and might be more inclined to invest in it than second or third-generation emigrants would be. The Somali diaspora is also broadly representative of the country rather than being confined to particular ethnic or interest groups, and would hence play a less partisan role in national reconstruction. In many cases, the business community in Somalia itself has taken a leading role in mediating conflict, and if stability ever returns to the center and south of the country, the global Somali comerce created by the civil war may ironically play a part in the reconstruction. Posted by jonathan at August 25, 2006 06:09 PM in Africa - Society | TrackBack Comments For some reason (sponsorship by refugee aid agencies?) many of the Somalis in the United States have settled in unlikely, far-flung locations, such as smaller towns in Maine and Minnesota. Posted by: Peter at August 25, 2006 09:48 PM If the settlement patterns for Somali Bantu refugees hold true for Somalis as a whole, then the original dispersion was an arrangement between the US State Department and the aid agencies. These days, though, Minneapolis is a draw in its own right, given that it has the largest concentration of Somalis in North America (20,000) and the most communal institutions and services. Hmmm. It seems that Minnesota is the Scandinavia of North America in more ways than one - not only does it have a large ethnic Scandinavian population, but it has played host to a disproportionate number of refugees. I wonder how long it will be before there are Somali-Laotian marriages. Posted by: Jonathan Edelstein at August 26, 2006 04:51 PM Nice write up Jonathan! Great take on an interesting topic. I have spent a reasonable ammount of time with the diaspora in the gulf and the new generation is highly motivated, increasingly educated and many are quite liberal. It is not hard to see why they will be so important in the rebuilding of the horn region. I used to coach in a soccer league in the Twin Cities based on community centers and the Hmong-Somali matches were fierce! It is worth pointing out that the somali diaspora reaches further back than european colonialism. East African labor (often slave or mercinary) was used in the Gulf and in India (there was even an African descendant ruler there at one time). In India today there are communities (often called Sidi or Habashi, the term in arabic for the horn region) of African heritage. Posted by: Laith at August 26, 2006 05:28 PM I don't know if I agree with what you wrote about Somalis being treated like S. Asians in the Gulf. There has been considerable variation in the Gulf. S. Asians in Bahrain have often been able to obtain citizenship, but not so in say Qatar in Saudi. On the other hand Somali (or other horn groups) have been able to obtain citizenship in Qatar or Saudi (not across the board, but in more than a few instances). Also, a recent article on the refugees in Yemen. Posted by: Laith at August 26, 2006 05:36 PM It is not hard to see why they will be so important in the rebuilding of the horn region. There's also the fact that (a) most members of the diaspora are first or second-generation and still think of Somalia as home; and (b) they come from all clans and hence aren't tied to the political or economic interests of a particular clan. Not all of them will go back, of course. The really amazing thing about the Somalis is that, as far as I know, they're Africa's first truly global merchant diaspora. They aren't the only Africans who have become commercial migrants - the Igbo and Luba have established a business presence in neighboring countries, and the Mourides of Senegal have internationalized to a considerable extent - but none of these have become as far-flung or created the depth of networks that the Somalis have. The Somalis are taking their place alongside European and Asian merchant tribes like the Jews, Armenians and Greeks. Anyway, the Somalis rock. If the country can ever put itself back together, it won't be long before its neighbors start going there to look for work. It is worth pointing out that the somali diaspora reaches further back than european colonialism [...] In India today there are communities (often called Sidi or Habashi, the term in arabic for the horn region) of African heritage. Interesting. One thing I've been learning recently is that there was a great deal more back-and-forth movement between East Africa, India and the Arab world than many people realize. Certainly, there was more such movement than hard-core nationalists in these countries would like to admit! I sometimes wonder whether, given the right conditions, the western Indian Ocean could have equaled the Mediterranean as a highway of ideas. Do the African-origin communities in India have any connection to the modern diaspora, or were they assimilated into the caste system like the Indian Jews were? I don't know if I agree with what you wrote about Somalis being treated like S. Asians in the Gulf [...] Somali (or other horn groups) have been able to obtain citizenship in Qatar or Saudi (not across the board, but in more than a few instances). Point. When I wrote that Somalis in the Gulf were following the South Asian track, I was referring mainly to their economic progress - i.e., that the first Somalis arrived as contract laborers, with the ones who stayed becoming small businessmen and eventually big businessmen/professionals. Their political and social progress is, as you say, another story. Out of curiosity, why do the Somalis have an easier time than the South Asians in obtaining nationality? Is it that they're considered less of a threat to the politically dominant groups, or is it that they're regarded as closer to Arab culture? And have they been able to obtain nationality in the UAE? Posted by: Jonathan Edelstein at August 27, 2006 05:41 PM I agree with you, the Somali diaspora is a fascinating one. It gets complicated with the difference between somali ethnicity and somali nation-state though. It will be interesting to see how these concepts change over time. Part of what makes it interesting though. The country will probably benefit the most if it can mobalize a broad concept of somali-ness. I wonder if the traditional money transfer systems have also played a role in keeping the diaspora symbollically connected to the homeland. I have no idea why S. Asians and E. Africans have been able to assimialte with more/less ease in different GCC countires. I don't think either had had much luck in the UAE though (just my impression on that one). I know in Bahrain it has to do with attracting Sunnis to be on the police force (rather than local Shia), but as for Saudi I am not sure. I think the Indian Ocena is one of the most fascinating places in terms of cultural exchange. Academics are just starting to scratch the surface and some of the groups in the region are opening up to their shared history. I could go on all day about this subject Here is an essay about Africans in India. The African-Indians have had a rough go of it. I have heard of them being harrased and some were killed in the Gujarat riots. Once again, great topic! Posted by: Laith at August 28, 2006 04:56 AM The Indian Ocean actually could compare very favorably with the Med as far as trade and movement goes. The Arabs did quite a bit of trading, there was even a time when the chinese came calling before their great turn inward. The big question about international Somali groups going back into the country is how they will be accepted by the various factions there. I expect the Moslem extremist groups wouldn't neccesarily welcome them and the other "warlords" might just view them as competition. But it will be interesting to watch. Posted by: exmi at August 28, 2006 11:15 AM There's a lot on the web about Africans in India. This Canadian-Resident UAE-raised Indian-educated Somalilander has a little on his blog. Posted by: Ikram at August 28, 2006 01:13 PM Laith: It gets complicated with the difference between somali ethnicity and somali nation-state though [...] The country will probably benefit the most if it can mobalize a broad concept of somali-ness. From what I understand, the question of Somali identity tends to pull in two opposite directions. On the one hand, there's the fragmentation into clans and subclans, which contributed to the Somaliland secession as well as the quasi-genocidal acts that took place during the civil war. On the other hand, there's a strong thread of pan-Somali nationalism, as supported by those who want to reopen the ****** issue or assimilate Djibouti with its Afar minority. Each of these poses an obvious potential for problems if taken too far. The clan fragmentation may prevent - and has prevented - the formation of a unified state in Somalia proper. An inclusive nationalism is clearly an antidote to this tendency. At the same time, an overly inclusive nationalism could easily shade into irredentism and lead to war with Ethiopia, Somaliland and Djibouti. A number of leading UIC figures appear to be infected with pan-Somali irredentism and this, even more than their religious ideology, may prove destabilizing to the state they're trying to create. The challenge is to create a national identity that is inclusive enough to encompass all clans (as well as the Bantu-speaking minorities) without being revanchist, which isn't always an easy thing to do. I wonder if the traditional money transfer systems have also played a role in keeping the diaspora symbollically connected to the homeland. I hadn't thought about this, but it could very well be true. If there's one thing that all the merchant diasporas seem to have in common, it's the existence of transnational networks for conducting business, sharing capital and transferring expertise. Sometimes this is augmented by family structures (as with the overseas Chinese) or religious ideology (as with the Mourides), but the network aspect seems to be universal. Maybe this is part of the reason why groups like the Somalis, Lebanese and Gujaratis form global commercial diasporas while others like the Filipinos (who have migrated at least as widely) generally don't. Here is an essay about Africans in India. The African-Indians have had a rough go of it. Were they targeted specifically as Africans, or as Muslims? The African-Indians seem to have ended up mostly on the Muslim side of the religious divide, which may be a more important factor than racial construction in determining their social status. Exmi: The big question about international Somali groups going back into the country is how they will be accepted by the various factions there. That's definitely a factor, and the expats' chance of having influence will be better if some kind of political pluralism (such as already exists in Somaliland) is established in Somalia proper. Even without that, though, it might be possible for the commercial diaspora to operate in an Islamist or warlord-controlled state as long as it doesn't engage in political competition with the government. The most important factor will probably be the degree of public corruption and crony capitalism rather than the ideology of the state. Ikram: This Canadian-Resident UAE-raised Indian-educated Somalilander He's the diaspora right there, isn't he? Thanks for the link! Posted by: Jonathan Edelstein at August 28, 2006 05:36 PM About the issue of 'ethnicities,' a little fact, please: Somalis in general do not have ethnic differences, but clans and sub-clans, overall united by the Somali ethnic. There are some minorities like Arabs and Bantu, the majority of the population belong the ethnic Somali. [The Somali word itself, Somalis believe, derived from the patriarch 'Samaale,' the common father Somalis share.] And univerally, the majority Somalis believe the unity of the five regions divided by the European colonials, and represented by the white star in the flag, is sacrosant that one day must be achieved, not an idea confined to newly powerful Islamic Courts.

Originally posted by Tone: FOREIGN WOMEN ALL THE WAY [/QB] ^^ Wonderful conclusion, bring me that Indho-yar girl, how about that :cool:

Grand Houses are good, to live like a king is much better, to own few is a dream but how about to use the money differently, instead, how about , If your money find to enrich the poor, the destitute and the orphans, If you touch people’s lives in many different ways, and make a difference, After that, as for me I don’t mind if I live in a barn or stables/farm breeding horses on top of a hill.

It basically easier to seprate sexes, let the girls have their own party the night, and boys have a well-to-do qado after meherka, then after that the newly weds can go for honeymoon, giving no space for the gangsta-wannabes, club/disco-seekrs and gatecrashers, still they can save some money for their future child, or for their rent I guess.

^^ “On account of their arrogance in the land and their plotting of Evil , but the plotting of Evil will hem in only the authors thereof. Now are they but looking for the way the ancients were dealt with? But no change wilt thou find in Allah's way (of dealing): no turning off wilt thou find in Allah's way (of dealing).†(35:43) اسْتÙكْبَارًا ÙÙÙŠ الْأَرْض٠))) وَمَكْرَ السَّيّÙئ٠وَلَا ÙŠÙŽØ­Ùيق٠الْمَكْر٠السَّيّÙئ٠إÙلَّا بÙأَهْلÙÙ‡Ù Ùَهَلْ يَنظÙرÙونَ Ø¥Ùلَّا سÙنَّتَ الْأَوَّلÙينَ ÙÙŽÙ„ÙŽÙ† تَجÙدَ Ù„ÙسÙنَّت٠اللَّه٠تَبْدÙيلًا ÙˆÙŽÙ„ÙŽÙ† تَجÙدَ Ù„ÙسÙنَّت٠اللَّه٠تَحْوÙيلًا No one enjoys to last, but one will taste their own medicine in someway or the other as the saying geos - what comes around geos around, equivalently the more you dish-out, definitely you will dish-in, "As-Saacu bi Saac" or scale for scale,kilo for kilo, bullet by bullet or bomb by bomb.