<cite> @Khayr said:</cite> Well, how would you perform your salat? What direction would you face? Actually this very question also applies to prayers here on earth. You see, due to the sphericity of our planet, you can not physically be facing Mecca, instead you are most likely praying in the direction of outer space. Just a thought

Its aesthetically very pleasing, nice one! Cant seem to find the 'new posts' button though.

At least Tallaabo has a brain of his own, and once confronted with the above ludicrous Hadiths he evaluated and then rejected them. I suspect the majority of our people are like that and not brainwashed Wahabis like you and Khayr, and I can live with those people. I can fight with them and disagree with their Quran and still respect them and hope they will see it for what it is one day. But you? No hope sxb, or at least I give up

In keeping with the topic and Mr. Richard Dawkins:

Waayo? Are you going to issue a Fatwa on me? Science is all about proof sxb, and in that sense all that has been proven by science is indeed boqolkiiba boqol correct. Now if your religion inhibits this idea of proof or gtfo then how do you hope to achieve anything in science? Also as seen, if you have a religious book with so many verses that contradict what we know today to be 100% correct (i.e. science) then you can not claim that it is in any way divine. Simple soomaaha?

You are a good guy Tallaabo. Galka dil gartiisana sii :cool:

It would have made more sense to reassign the Burco West chief to Zaylac and get the chief from Zaylac to Burco. Easily achieving Silanyo's goal whilst not upsetting the westsiders.

Never, I consider this community service, my contribution back to my people :cool: In many ways my interaction with the brothers here is analogous to that of the dear prophet and the kaafirs of Quraish. The kaafirs of Quraish have labeled the dear prophet everything the brothers here have thrown at me.

You are not even trying are you?

Khayr;992082 wrote: Hey Offbase, Go kick rocks and find another hobby and if you can't understand what I just said to you then you can ask your boss for help. Afterall, you do have a learning disability. What is your opinion on this brother Khayr? Does not wearing hijab = fornication? :confused: Tell us what you think yaa akhii.

wyre;992072 wrote: For a girl, showing her hair to a man who is ajnabi is a big sin, much bigger than doing zina sxb, learn the religion HOLD IT. So not wearing the Hijab is as bad a sin as fornicating? You guys are not doing yourselves any favour walahi

Mate give up, there is no point in searching for faults in the Quran because there are non. In the Quran, prophet Noah is said to have lived 950 years. So what? There are animals and plants which have lifespans of centuries. I rest my case Tallaabo;992078 wrote: No my religion is not supported by the Dailymail. Indeed they ridicule us daily in their papers. However, the truth of Islam cannot be hidden or mocked for too long. People like you were mocking the Quran for centuries for stating that the ants talk and now we have a scientific confirmation of the truth in that statement. So the Dailymail has no choice but to report the Quranic truth to the world. In the Quran, prophet Noah is said to have lived 950 years. So what? There are animals and plants which have lifespans of centuries. We believe Almighty Allah is the Creator and Giver of life so your question about a mere 950 years makes no sense to us. How can I doubt Allah's power when humans are attempting to extend our lifespan to a thousand years?? http://www.dailygalaxy.com/my_weblog/2009/03/can-humans-live.html This is very funny actually. You all claim that your God placed these 'hints' to scientific concepts in your holy scripture for the purpose of, what exactly? What have you done with them except waiting for Kafir Gaalo research to latch onto and to somehow give the Quran a 21st century makeover. If there is science of any level in the Quran for you to take hold of and thrive in this Duniya would you not agree it was a miscalculation on the part of the author? How come not a single one of these alleged 'discoveries' was made by a Muslim? Anyways back to Solomon: And Solomon inherited David. He said, "O people, we have been taught the language of birds, and we have been given from all things. Indeed, this is evident bounty." Quran 27:16 So imagine with me a grown man telling you today that he could conversate with birds, what would you say? Apparently one of the birds, a Hoopoe, was a double agent for king Solomon, it said to him: I found (there) a woman ruling over them and provided with every requisite; and she has a magnificent throne. Qur'an 27:23 Subxannallah ---- The Quran believes the moon has its own light, when in fact it is only reflecting the Sun's light: And hath made the moon a light therein, and made the sun a lamp? Qur'an 71:16 ---- We know today about the big bang and the formation of the earth, but the Quran disagrees. It claims that the earth was created in six days: We created the heavens and the earth and all between them in Six Days, nor did any sense of weariness touch Us Qur'an 50:38 ---- Tallaabo;991789 wrote: Stars In the Quran Allah takes about seven heavens. Of these seven the first is the one adorned with the stars, it is our universe. In additions to the supernovas which produce projectiles in the form of hot gases, comets are also the product of stardust. So this verse is not unscientific. What if I told you that the Quran claims the earth was created before the universe as you've put it there? It states that the earth was created before the 'seven heavens' with all of their galaxies and stars, which again we know today to be wrong, as elements making up the crust of the Earth today were first found in stars that have then exploded. He it is Who created for you all that is in the earth. Then turned He to the heaven, and fashioned it as seven heavens. And He is knower of all things. Qur'an 2:29

Ka daa! This is the good stuff sxb. Bal wayhayee natus waxaad dhegeysatid

Let me get this, your religion is supported by Dailymail articles? Hayee please also explain the 950 year old and the speaking to birds as well. You can even cite articles from the Sun if it will help Do you see how ridiculous this all is Talaabo? Honestly, ila eeg these statements and tell me it is acceptable as we approach 2014.

Just saw the Hobbit: The Desolation of Smaug:

You have asked for it, more scientific contradictions in the Quran: The Quran claims of a certain beast that could speak to people are indeed impossible: And when the Word is fulfilled against them (the unjust), we shall produce from the earth a beast to (face) them: He will speak to them, for that mankind did not believe with assurance in Our Signs. Qur'an 27:82 I mean, with all the research put into things like the great ape language we can say that no animal is able to people, waa waali cad taasu. ---- The Quran seems to borrow the jewish myth of King Solomon, here you see the claim that Solomon can control the wind, a claim that is so deep in mythology that it still exists in comic books read by children today. I do not blame Prophet Mohamed for he knew very little about atmospheric pressure but I blame those today who know how the wind works yet still believe that someone at somepoint was able to 'control it'. There is also the bizarre statement regarding a certain spring of liquid copper! Waa yabka yaabkiss iga walle. I am ignoring the statement about the jin servants, it wont be fair on our believer brothers Then We subjected the wind to his power, to flow gently to his order, Whithersoever he willed Qur'an 38:36 And to Solomon [We subjected] the wind - its morning [journey was that of] a month - and its afternoon [journey was that of] a month, and We made flow for him a spring of [liquid] copper. And among the jinn were those who worked for him by the permission of his Lord. And whoever deviated among them from Our command - We will make him taste of the punishment of the Blaze. ---- Speaking of Solomon, he apparently also commanded huge armies of (wait for it) birds and jins, again a clear example of the Quran borrowing from Jewish mythology and something that is clearly impossible scientifically. Did I mention he spoke to birds too? And Solomon was David's heir. He said: "O ye people! We have been taught the speech of birds, and on us has been bestowed (a little) of all things: this is indeed Grace manifest (from Allah.)And before Solomon were marshalled his hosts― of Jinns and men and birds, and they were all kept in order and ranks. Qur'an 27:16-17 ---- Our dearest Talaabo was disputing the impossibility of people to sleep for 300 years. Would it be a huge jump to assume he agrees with the Quran that certain people can live for up to a thousand years? We (once) sent Noah to his people, and he tarried among them a thousand years less fifty: but the Deluge overwhelmed them while they (persisted in) sin. Qur'an 29:14 Well, 950 years to be exact. :cool:

Sxb what I am saying is very clear, however you choose not read it objectively. You agree that your knowledge of Arabic is not up to par, the translations that you have provided state that the sun rises and sets at a specific place, this is further supported by an authentic Hadith that says pretty much the same thing. You've been had sxb. You have refused an authentic Hadith which would put you (with me) in the Kafir slot in the eyes of some of the brothers here. Since you're there anyway why dont you have an other read of my post, without religious dogma this time. For everyone else, this is yet an other example of a seemingly reasonable person going all (because Allah says so) when faced with contradictions in their holy literature.

Surely you mean 'faraxal'.

Alpha Blondy;991910 wrote: oh yeah? here's an idea, abti....... DANGEROUS adventure-based voyeur tourist packages to ''Somalia'' as shown on CNN - organise 'dangerous' tours around Mogadishu, Jubooyinka hoose and maybe Galkayo. set up meetings with AMISOM, KDF and other street militia type thugs (all actors). also ensure the thrill seekers meet key officials (actors). you'll also need a ''gadhweyn akhi'' sort of 'minder' (actor), critical of the all WESTern values, from the ministry of 'national guidance' to keep tabs on the tourists and to observe their probing ''jaajus'' activities at all times - induces a perverse sense of being monitored and controlled in them.... add some simulated 'clan attacks' involving rival militias (all actors) on a UN food convoy....throw in some TERRORISM with some controlled IED explosions and a fake failed attempt at a suicide bombing..... oh and finally...some PIRACY related kidnapping stunt (4 days MAX but pirates have be gargaarka deg-dega qualified, just in case, dee...). the tour packages don't have to be real but by conforming to stereotypes, it'll work................ = MONEY if that's too much for you.............................then you can always become a 'wakiil' or sole importing agent for the various cannobodhe, household detergent products and car engine oil shirkaddo making ridicolus profits....under the guise of their products exclusivity and also make a killing = MONEY.... This actually might work, and you wont need to hire many actors

Needing personal attention on my part makes it difficult as I am not based there. Also as I mentioned above 20% is good if you have big bucks laakin if you have a day job and looking to invest small amounts regularly I do not see that beating dealing in shares. However I would love to hear examples of industries or investment opportunities in East Africa. To give a few examples on shares that I have personally dealt in over the last few years: Baidu, this is the Chinese equivalent of Google, the biggest search engine in China. They were just expanding like crazy from 2009 onwards and I got a tip through a friend that they would be ones to watch. This was especially clear once you see how fast the number of interest users in China was rising, and as a search engine, more users = more ads. I bought at 40 odd per share and the price today is approaching 180. On my share dealing account the return reads +281.31% And its still going up, wish I had bought more at the time. I had also bought some Facebook shares just as they dipped below 19, and they had gone up to around 55 just now, an increase of +190.11%. Similarly I bought into Groupon when it went public at 20 odd and saw it dive and reach 3.5 which was a loss at -87.09%. So if you do you're research and it is an industry you know a bit about, you can choose safer investment options and still end with good profits above 20%.

Thats child abuse. What would a 5 year old and a 4 year old gain from reciting the names of world leaders? Wallahi waa yaab, let them enjoy their childhood :mad:

One question, have you ever read the Quran in Arabic? Because if you did you would not confuse matlac al shams and maghrib al shams with environments: مطلع الشمس مغرب الشمس These are clear descriptors of a place, and this is further made clear with the use of wajadahaa وجدها which refers to the sun as a literal object and translates to 'he found it setting' and 'he found it rising'. The Quran did not say the sun sets in a "place" or rises from a "place" Dude look at the translation you posted: YUSUFALI: Until, when he reached the setting of the sun, he found it set in a spring of murky water: PICKTHAL: Till, when he reached the setting-place of the sun, he found it setting in a muddy spring SHAKIR: Until when he reached the place where the sun set, he found it going down into a black sea If this is not clear enough then I do not know what is He travelled and reached the place where the sun sets, and found it setting into a spring. You can not twist this to mean anything but what it says sxb, and its very clear. This idea of the sun going somewhere at night (i.e. the earth being flat) is also common in Hadith, which is clearly in support for the verses above: Narrated Abu Dhar: The Prophet asked me at sunset, "Do you know where the sun goes (at the time of sunset)?" I replied, "Allah and His Apostle know better." He said, "It goes (i.e. travels) till it prostrates Itself underneath the Throne and takes the permission to rise again, and it is permitted and then (a time will come when) it will be about to prostrate itself but its prostration will not be accepted, and it will ask permission to go on its course but it will not be permitted, but it will be ordered to return whence it has come and so it will rise in the west. Sahih Bukhari 4:54:421 This is an authentic Hadith so you can not dispute both the Hadith and the verse. Try an other explanation, or perhaps just say that Allah the all powerful is capable of doing so as you did with the 300 years sleep cycle

I do Why do you ask? Can one not save and give to charity?

Sxb 10-11% is good but sometimes you would want a little more, especially if you do not have much (like me ) the return on 11% is not that appealing when you look at the risk involved. I have put a little bit into Tesla a few months back. I bought the shares at $37 and within a few months they went up to $190 which I did not expect. I got greedy though and did not sell, and they have since came down a bit to $140 now, at which point I bought a little more. This is a company that is not able to make cars quick enough to meet the demand, they have recently got a massive tax break. If I was a betting man i would say this share is on its way up

Stars In the Quran Allah takes about seven heavens. Of these seven the first is the one adorned with the stars, it is our universe. In additions to the supernovas which produce projectiles in the form of hot gases, comets are also the product of stardust. So this verse is not unscientific. The verse is not unscientific? Using stars as 'missiles' aimed at devils is unscientific? Come on sxb, I am prepared to give and take for the sake of the discussion but this is as unscientific as it gets. The fact that both were mentioned in the same verse clearly shows the Quran is confusing stars and meteorites. You speak of the seven heavens, what do you mean by that? Pairs The verse says everything is created in pairs and does not say these pairs are created for the purpose of reproduction. There are many things in nature which are in pairs both living and non-living, microscopic and macroscopic. The numerous different varieties of viruses and bacteria in nature could be pairs in different ways be it physical or functional . Humanity is still learning about nature and discoveries are being made on daily basis so we will see what sort of ways things are paired up. You can tell me there no pairs in the microbes because we do not know everything about them. No expert can claim to have a complete knowledge about his/her field. So this verse is also no unscientific. No I can tell you that bacteria are asexual i.e. is not 'paired' as the Quran would describe. That is a fact, and one that the Quran got wrong, you've got to see that. You can not argue with what could or could not be, because if this was the case we would be sitting here all night. So either tell me how bacteria are made in pairs or accept this unscientific verse of Quran. Weather Here is the verse again: "Verily the knowledge of the Hour is with Allah (alone). It is He Who sends down rain, and He Who knows what is in the wombs. Nor does any one know what it is that he will earn on the morrow: Nor does any one know in what land he is to die. Verily with Allah is full knowledge and He is acquainted (with all things)".Quran 31:34 It does not say we cannot predict the weather or not see what is in the womb. Allah (SWT) is stating the five things that only Allah knows. This is explained by the Prophet in this hadith below (which is Sahih): Narrated Ibn 'Umar: Allah's Apostle (p.b.u.h) said, "Keys of the unseen knowledge are five which nobody knows but Allah . . . nobody knows what will happen tomorrow; nobody knows what is in the womb; nobody knows what he will gain tomorrow; nobody knows at what place he will die; and nobody knows when it will rain." Sahih Bukhari 2:17:149 As is also stated by all the Tafsiir of the Quran. So again this is clear contradiction to modern science. The carpet The Quran is not a science book but is not wrong about science either. Its purpose is to give humanity a spiritual guidance so only deals with subjects briefly. The Earth is implied to be spherical by several verses describing the overlapping night and day and the spherical orbits. Yes rounded orbits, that is what the verse I mentioned says. The spread-out like a carpet feeling due to the earths size and gravitational pull is from our perspective and it is what makes this planet so habitable and homely. It is what the Almighty is asking us to reflect upon. The Quran mentions the flat state of the earth because the understanding of the Prophet implied so. To further illustrate my point, lets look at the specific verses that mention the rising and setting place of the sun. These talk about the sun rising from and setting on fixed places which again goes on to strengthen the view of the Quran, i.e. that the Earth is indeed flat with fixed points at which the sun sets and rises again. Till, when he reached the setting-place of the sun, he found it setting in a muddy spring, and found a people thereabout. We said: O Dhu'l-Qarneyn! Either punish or show them kindness. Qur'an 18:86 Till, when he reached the rising-place of the sun, he found it rising on a people for whom We had appointed no shelter therefrom. Qur'an 18:90 As you must know the sun does not rise or set at a fixed place do its orbit around the sun, that is just impossible. But the book assumes the simple view of the world popular at the time that there was a fixed position whereby the sun would set and rise from again. 300 year sleep This is so easy for the Creator who created everything, the Lord of life and death, the Lord who keeps us conscious and takes it away when He intends to. The Lord who nourishes our bodies. You lost me there Ask yourself, why did all of these amazing miracles happen only in the past? Would it not be the case that a physical miracle today would lead to many people embracing islam? I understand you are trying to defend your faith but you must clearly see how this is just plain myth. Our bodies would not last one year let alone 300 years. Open your eyes sxb.