^^^^ I agree You took the words out of my mouth, oppinionated. I believe in interracial marriages. There are a lot of people here who are fond of harping on about TRUE LOVE, and if that's so, then why can't it work with someone who's not Somali? Sometimes, you find kinship in the most unlikely situations AND people. I find it to be narrow-minded to not accept someone just because they are not of your race. Originally by Hibo: Let me expand my thoughts on this. If u r surrounded by ppl of ur own kind, n u have less contact with the other societies u share class or bus or neighborhood or even work, than u have a greater chance in falling for one of ur own than others. Sis, I like the way you've formulated your thoughts, but won't this give one a very narrow view of the world? I assume you are not still in Somali and currently reside in another country. Now, hasn't this made you a different person with different views? If one race sticks to itself, then its people won't learn anything. Also, this might resound in inbreeding. Your family is your family. They are supposed to love and respect you, no matter your choices. And if they don't like it... Opnnionated: then they know where the door is at! STEP OUT!

^^^ 'harmonyangel' is better?? :eek: LOL. It's pretty original but I fancied a change, as we say But keep the votes coming in, to see which name is more popular!! Silent-sister = original, pretty...nice.

^^^^ Lefty, I see you too are on Paltalk's planet. Wow, you must tell us about it.... But perchance, another time. I'm currently in touch with reality :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: Lucky, I like those eyes too

harmonyangel -----> Rising Phoenix First post as the Phoenix

Eeeh! So many phobias! I studied psychology but I didn't know there were this many :eek: :eek: There are some odd phobias in there. :confused:

^^^ Lefty, I agree. Originally Silent-Sister: I was talking to sister, harmony angel , and she has already got a geocites website already,,,,she was telling me that its free, and she is good with setting up cites, so, I guess im publicly asking her to go ahead with that part, InshaAllah. I hereby accept the challenge . In all seriousness, whatever you need doing I'm your girl. I'm guessing that as long as someone takes the first step, others will follow (with some throwing off the curb... ) So what do you have in mind?

Diamond-princess and Hijabified Sister Thank you both Lakkad, interesting tale and I do think that both parties should be tested, after all, who are the fellows sleeping with? But like flying-still said, if you ain't got nothing to hide, THEN GET ON TESTING! It's got nothing to do with pride, because these diseases can be passed on to your kids, and why should they suffer through one's faults?

^^^ I was so fascinated with the guys that Paltalk seems to talk about...I guess you could call it wishful thinking... :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: Lucky, obviously some people are not in touch with reality!! :rolleyes:

Nin Yabaan, what the hell are you talking??? :eek: :eek: :eek: Getting girls tested for their virginity??? Have you even read the Quran properly? Tell me this, is the NO-SEX-BEFORE-MARRIAGE aspect of Islam, only for girls? Does this only apply to women??? I DONT THINK SO! If you think it does only apply to women, please show me the Hadith and I will apologise. But so far, it applies to BOTH men and women, so if the man is wanting to test the woman to see if she is still a virgin...hell, lets hook him up to a lie-detector and see if he's been humping round the place, LIKE THEY ALL SEEM TO BE DOING LATELY. Anf if he's lying, then he knows where to go. People talk about modernisation, and yet, no one really knows what this means. The extended vocabulary that Somali people these days have really gets them into trouble, because they don't know when to use it and when not to. They throw words such as "modern" and "Western" around, applying them to occasions that they really don't fit into. And yes, Somali girls need to test their men, because bring me one Somali man who has not slept with a girl yet. All of these boys are bragging day and night, so either all these youngsters are liars or they are all sleeping around. Personally, I believe it is the latter so it's better to get yourself and your partner tested so you don't get Aids and pass it on to your KIDS. And hey, if you are a good Muslim, then this shouldn't apply to you anyways, right?

Originally by somealien: please dont blame the west. its a real pet peeve of mine, its like were giving waaay too much credit to them. more than they deserve even. what somalis are so weak now they cant make up their minds? to me, this story looks like a case of teen rebellion that somehow found a way to abuse the american justice system (justice? ha) in their favor, which is unfortunate because people (somalis) wont take it seriously when a kid is accually put in a dangerous situation by their parents. it really boggles my mind how we can say that we are above certain societal problems, when within the past ten years somalia, and somalis have been victims of WAR, which included pillaging, rape, murdering of children ... i mean, it happened not too long ago in history, shouldnt that be an indicator of how imperfect we are, as humans? maybe its cause this particualr story is rubbing you guys the wrong way, but lets not forget behind this ridiculous story lies a real issue. I could not have said this any better, you took the words right out of my mouth, sis. Like I said before, each Somalian makes up his/her mind about what they want to do. We are all responsible for our own actions. You cannot say "The West made me do it!" can you? This is plain ridiculious. As a race, Somalians should definately WAKE UP and realise that it's not the West that makes certain things happen, it is our own characters! Originally by Mizz-Unique: the girl used to wear hijaab and when she gets to school she would change ..she and the white people she lived with lied about her keeping her religion while a friend of hers cought her in jeans and pink shirt after she left her family..obviously he was mesmarized with the american culture and she the word harrasment is new to her no wonder she took the drastic measure... I dont understand why you are so surprised about this. This happens a lot more than some of you think. Quite a few young girls (I am not saying all, but quite a few) simply do not understand WHY Muslims dress the way we do, and decide to dress differently (such as short skirts, etc). Have we forgotten what it feels like to be a teenager? Being part of the crowd is everything to a teen and I suppose that this is what this girl was doing. However, this does not excuse her change of dress, but I'm not sure the blame lies entirely with this girl. I have found that Somali parents never talk TO their children, and never explain why some things happen. Several girls I know PERSONALLY do the same thing: wear a headscarf in front of parents and OFF it comes when the parents are out of sight. Personally I believe this is because parents never tell their children the reason, never show them the Quran and explain to the WHY's and HOW's of our religion. Somali parents only start talking when something goes wrong, and then they come down so hard on the child, he/she often does not want to ask for explanations. And until we actually decide to take responsibility for our own actions and stop blaming the West for every other thing, we will sadly continue to see such cases.

To be honest, I am quite surprised by the amount of people that seem to think this girl is making her story up. Like someone said, there are TWO sides to each story, and it's the parents' word against the girl's in this case. And obviously, considering the fact that we're Somalis, most believe the father. To all those that think fathers don't abuse their children, you are sadly mistaken. Children get abused every day by their fathers while their mothers stand by and do NOTHING. In our society, we are taught the father is right, no matter how wrong it seems. So very few Somali mothers would stand against their husbands, and even if she did, he might beat her too. I have seen this happen myself on several occasions. Let's not be disillusioned here, people. Somalians are not bereft of the common evils in this world, so to say Somali fathers wouldn't do it is sadly IGNORANT. And it seems highly unlikely to me that a Somali girl would kiss a boy in public, knowing how people talk. It's ingraved into us that there shouldn't be any physical contact or interaction with someone of the opposite sex. She was most likely just hanging out with him, as most kids do with eachother. And we all know how Somali fathers would react :rolleyes: . And when the rage comes over you, you frankly don't know what you're doing. It's very possible that you might kill your child without realising, and plus, this father might have been under influence (a.k.a KHAT). When she became sick in a Kenyan refugee camp, her father regularly carried her on his back for miles to the nearest hospital, he testified. So? Is this not a father's job, to care for his children? If she was sick, then it is his DUTY to look after her. He shouldn't make it sound as if he is doing her a FAVOUR , after all, he brought her into this world, no? Mizz-Unique, sis, I know you mentioned you don't have brothers, but I do, and they certainly are treated differently. Somali boys get away with murder (so to speak) while Somali girls will get murdered. Also, I cannot believe that a mother is allowed to kill her children. No one is allowed to take a life apart from the all-mighty Allah. Parents were GIVEN children, they weren't permitted to TAKE them away from this world.

Originally by Paltalk: Majority of Somali guys are good looking, highly intelligent, intellectual with sophisticated mind. They all have sense of humour, they are kind, honest, tolerent,peaceful, openminded and smart. They know exactly how to treat their women with the best service that would satisfy anywomen. Hi, Paltalk! How is it up there on your planet? Is the weather nice? Famine stopped? Peace talks increasing? That's nice, wonderful, absolutely fantastic. What's that? Oh, this place? Oh, this is called EARTH! WELCOME!!! Yeah, I know, reality seems to be slightly different here (odd, huh?). We are still in negotiations to reach your level of enlightenment. Hey, I got an idea! Why don't you beam down those lovely jubbly SOMALI MEN you got on your planet, we'd LOVE some! Of course, women here might not be good enough for them :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: But please, don't let that put you off, we are in dire need and urgently need help from such highly evolved males such as yourself...

Originally from Nin Yabaan: How can any human being control his dream? I sometimes get really MAD when i wake up in the middle of really good dream. Dreams can be controlled. I believe there are several different methods, but the one I know is through auto-suggestions. Simply put, you TELL yourself what do to when you are going to sleep (this is usually done by speaking quietly to yourself or - even easier - by taping a tape with the instructions and using headphones). An an example, you'll say "I will remember my dreams when I wake up." Repeated often enough, this does work. Once that is mastered, you can proceed onto Controling your dreams by a different set of instructions. Another example, "Tonight I will dream that I can fly with no fear of heights." And again, if this is repeated enough times it will work. There are some Do's and Dont's, but I wont post them here. Of course, this method does take some time and constant repition, which is the reason many people tire of it. But once it works then it is reputed to be excellent. Of course, it might make waking up that much more annoying! Personally, my dreams are far too ODD to post here, I don't want to be carted off to the Mental Institue early! I've still got some years left to enjoy in the outside world....

One more week! ONE MORE WEEK FOR MY RESULTS!!! Ah, Tanag yuu, sis! I am so worried for my mental state if I fail..cos I'll have to stop eating and laughing and joking and possibly breathing and definitely sleeping and perhaps (yes, it's so bad) jump off a BUILDING!!! ...er...ahem...yes...*walks off muttering* "Where's my Prozac?"

LOLOL @ everyone: guys, why are you not taking notes?? Most ladies like flirts! Myself...I can't spot a flirty-guy from a non-flirty guy!! But for your comfort (and hilarious entertainment) here are some extra-cheesy pickup lines: 1)Can I borrow a quarter? [What for?] I want to call my mom and tell her I just met the girl of my dreams. OR: I want to call your mother and thank her 2) Do you believe in love at first sight or shall I walk by again? 3) I lost my number...can I have yours? 4)Do you have a map? I just keep on getting lost in your eyes. 5)Do you believe in helping the homeless? [if yes] Take me home with you. Or the not-so-cheesy-more-offensive-kind 6)Are my undies showing? [No.] "Would you like them to?" 7)As you walk by, turn around and say: Excuse me, did you just touch my @rse ? "No." Damn! 8)Do you have a mirror in your pocket? (Why?) 'Cause I could see myself in your pants. 9)Congratulations! You've been voted "Most Beautiful Girl In This Room" and the grand prize is a night with me! 10)Nice legs...what time do they open? :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: If someone ever said that to me, I'd dial 999...after bashing him over the head with the phone! LOL There are some more here:Explicit Cheesy PickUp Lines but they are far too offensive to put them on this lovely site! Enjoy y'all!

Kaafi:YOU ARE NOT FUNNNY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Shiirdh foqal Shiiirdh...that FREAKED ME OUT! I posted one roughly like this earlier in another thread, but it didn't start out this PLEASANTLY! I was playing around and singing along with the song and then all of a sudden...SHIIIIRDH!! I think me and my sisters had an heart attack!! Bisinkaaa, I have to sleep in my mum's bed tonight...lol... If I never sleep another minute in my life, I am holding you responsible, Kaafi! :mad:

Money rules the world, NOT love You can't tell the guy at the 7-11 "I love you, can I have my food for free?" (On second thoughts, you can...but I wouldn't suggest it!) Money does rule our life, but Allah owns it. As Somali people, we are not known as the richest race and so (doubly, perhaps) I appreciate so much more when the green is rolling in. If money wasn't so important I wouldn't be worrying constantly about how to fund myself through University (in the UK there are no free rides and even less scholarships or sponsors) Therefore, this is my heartfelt, ardently passionate plea to all charities (persons, Nomads...hell anyone!) to GIMME GIMME GIMME MONEY!! Currency: preferably English Sterling... Or Jamaal, can you tell me your secret? Or better yet...PM me the formula! ~~~by a sad, poor sod~~~

Ahahahahaha......kix kix kix kix....LOL LOL LOL... Shiiiiirdh, that was so funny! I laughed my head off...*lol*...I am still laughing.... Thanks for that, runaway-virgin, I need that laugh. "Your dhaughther" ...ahahahaha...that's how my mother says it!

Silent-Sister, I truly understand what you are saying. I'm not a great advocate for Somalis either. I know they are my people, and I love them (well... ) as long as they are far away from me! Especially where I currently reside. I used to live in London, and I must say, the Nomads down there are much nicer, than the ones over here. In this "lovely" (*end sarcasm*) city of mine, family members attack each other with weapons. One such case, a girl...let's call her Anab - as an example - apparantly said something about yet another girl named Mariam. It was another classcial HE SAID SHE SAID scenario. It escalated so that Mariam confronted Anab in her own house, with five of her friends. One of these friends turned out to be Anab's FIRST cousin. Still, the girls beat up poor Anab in front of her 3-month old baby in her own house after kicking down the front door because Anab refused to open it, for fear of attack. :eek: :eek: Now pray tell, is this Nomadly behaviour? In my entire life I've never had a close Somali friend, and yes, we mustn't judge all by the same standards, but it's damn hard to find some genuine NICE Somalis out there. It's almost as if being Somali justifies nasty behaviour to another Somalian. The people I have come across tend to be on another level, and are completely gobsmacked if you happen to have different interests than them. Their interests are more often than not, weddings (attending or getting married, which one was the biggest, most rubbish...etc), the hottest faraax/xalimoo around and other insignificant matters of life. What I'm talking about here is the level of compatibility with a fellow Somalian. We have created a Social Barrier which if one breaks away from, one is considered to be a traitor. Mind you, this happens in all cultures. For example, if a black person moves out of the ghetto, then that person is considered to be Whitenised. This is a good thing for the black community, their existence is placed on the map, yet the people left behind won't be happy. The same theory applies to us Somalis. The few that have high aims in life, are discriminated against and treated as traitors and isolated. So Silent-sis, yours is most probably a case of ignorance, jealousy and other petty emotions on THEIR part, so don't pay much heed. But, having said that, I have always approached members of my race with utmost respect and I will continue to do so. It's only when they do not return that respect (which is more often than not, unfortunately) that I cut them off. Silent-sis, I'm getting the impression that you are a great person, please continue to be that! And pray that you meet some of the 10% that are good Somalis. That's my slightly-more-than-two-pence...I'm feeling generous today

Orginally posted by Flying-still: she believes you can't really know a person from dating. Err....so she wants to find out he's a psycho after she marries him? ::LOL:: I totally agree with Kaafi. The education thing is more than a little barrier. Flying-Still, you say she's studying for her PhD? Then she will almost certainly have a high-paying job, whereas he will most probably get a job in the QuickieMart (or 7-11) while, perhaps (if he decides to) studying for a degree. Therefore, she'll earn much more than he will, and honestly, which Somali guy will be okay with that? His ego will be dented and bruised and therefore, perhaps, causing many problems in any future relationship. Of course, we only have minor details, and I'm all for the personality thing, but if her feelings are so strong, then it strikes me that there should be no doubts at all. This is not an easy decision to make, because what if he moves over and then nothing works out? But - this is a very complicated situation that your cousin finds herself in, and it's very easy for us (as outsiders) to jump to conclusions. At the end of the day it's all in Allah's will. Good luck to her in whatever she decides.

I enjoy talking with my multiple personalities. We are quite fun to converse with...

Kaafi: Next time...just yell..."NAYAA HOOYO, I QUIT!"...and she'll leave you a lone....lol OUCH! ...I was just imagining my mom's dacas slap if I was to tell her that!! LadyHova, I hear what you're saying, sis. I think that's why many Nomads wont help their wives later on in life; cos they haven't learned from young on. But if it's a big problem for you, tell him about himself. I know it's easier said than done, but try. Good luck!

Nin Yabaan: it doesn't matter if you have marshal art trainings or not. There are some really screwed up people out there, who only seem to be preying on women. So i would suggest that women stay home, and not even bother giving those screwed up ones any chance to assault a women. This is not a very useful suggestion. Do you mean that we (women) must be stuck in the house 24/7? Can you honestly see that happening? Attacks will happen whether it's night or not - you could get attacked picking the kids up from school or buying some groceries from the corner shop. Would you rather not have a fighting chance? Also, how likely is it that your (Insha'allah I hope this never happens to anyone) attacker is a martial-arts expert? Even if you have the slightest knowledge of defence you can wound the attacker long enough to get away. Nin-Yabaan: there is nothing wrong in staying home, it may even bring a good name to your family. Its the best thing to do. Women who stay home, are said to be, NAAGAHA ugu fiic fiican. So, walaal staying home carries a honor for the somali women. I would strongly suggest that you stay home. Can I ask what the point of this post was? I dont see how "a woman going outside" can give the family a bad name. What about work and school? I am afraid that perhaps you have been hanging around with too many unscrupulous characters that have given you a bad impression of women. If so then you should stop generalising and bringing down all women. Barwaaqo, I look forward to reading that article. harmonyangel

2 YEARS?? :eek: :eek: !! I am surprised the relationships lasted that long and neither of the dudes found anything out! I really thought Somali people gossiped enough to let the truth come out. I agree with SCORPION_SISTA, the guy that married her deserves my sympathy. Conspiracy, your friend is obviously better off without her. Just pat him on the back and steer him toward the nearest good Halimo . As someone said, whatever is meant to happen will. I also feel sorry for the girl: she's got a dose of bad karma coming. PS: Whats with all the whipping, people? I guess it's a London ting, huh?

flying-still: ^^^^ That actually made sense Thank you, sis, at least you got it!! Nefertiti, I apologise, that was not my intention!! I think it did my head in and all I agree with what you said, sis, and yet, all this labelling has lost us something, isn't it? But let me add another angle to this. You only know it is a computer you're tapping because you've been told. Same with the 'message' and the 'keys' you're tapping. What if someone told you that the chair you're sitting on is, in fact, called ' a lamp'. You wouldn't believe it, right? But I have gone completely off the subject (I do this all the time ) so I will resign (at least for tonight)