Warya Xiin, what's with the Duke histrionics these days saaxib? You're a couple of threads away from calling for a total impeachment! (what are you up to?).

malistar2012;956077 wrote: How does feel to behind Somali Flag you traitor About the Conference and Exhibition » As Somalia and Somaliland looks to build a secure and prosperous future, the first Somali Reconstruction and Investment Conference and Exhibition (SORIC), will be held in Nairobi, Kenya on 28-29 May 2013 at the Kenyatta International Conference Centre. This ground breaking event will be the first of its kind to bring together key policy makers from the Government of Somalia and Somaliland , top decision makers from international and regional development organizations, and participants from the public and private sector. It is the only event of its kind fully endorsed by the Federal Government of Somalia and supported by the Ministry of Trade, the Somali Chamber of Commerce and Industry, and the Kenya National Chamber of Commerce. The bald one knows what he's doing, Mali.

^^ Morsi's fans are saying it's ok. Husni's fans are blaming Morsi. The thing is, with Egypt's revolution and the huge numbers of youth who got used to revolutions and riots, Egypt has a ready made army to send to Ethiopia if the situation ever gets worse. But I don't think it will. Ethiopia seems ready to play nice and keep both Sudan and Eygpt happy.

Egypt pursuing win-win solution with Ethiopia: Ambassador “Ethiopia has repeatedly and publicly affirmed that Egypt’s water interests will not be harmed [by the construction of the Renaissance Dam] and we are following up on this,” Mohamed Idris, Egyptian ambassador in Addis Ababa, told Ahram Online on Tuesday. Idris was speaking by phone from the Ethiopian capital after Monday's announcement by Ethiopia that it would begin work on diverting the course of the Blue Nile as part of the Renaissance Dam project. The dam is already under construction despite requirements under international law that all Nile Basin states must agree before such a project is undertaken. The Renaissance Dam is expected to require the storage of over 70 billion cubic metres of water from the Blue Nile that provides Egypt with over 80 percent of its annual share of Nile water – with the rest coming from Uganda. The construction of the dam was effectively initiated some two years ago following the signing of an agreement by most upstream Nile Basin states. Ethiopia will use the dam to generate electricity to meet its expanded development needs, with extra for exports. “We are pursuing a win-win scenario in which the interests of both sides can be served and accommodated,” Idris said. The possibility of only mild damage to Egypt’s interests is possible because the water to be stored behind the dam will only be used to generate electricity and not for irrigation. “There are several factors that should be taken into consideration and will be decided upon by technical experts. We are expecting Ethiopian officials to make good on their promise to act in a way that will not harm Egyptian interests,” Idris said. “It is not impossible,” he added. A report on the possible impact of the Renaissance Dam is expected to be published this week by a committee of representatives and experts from Ethiopia, Egypt and Sudan. Sources close to the committee say the report will reveal some concerns over the impact of the dam on Egypt and Sudan. It is also expected to reveal concerns that cracks could develop in the dam within a few years and eventually lead to serious flooding. Idris said he had not read the report and was not willing to speculate on its content. “We have initiated a new phase of good relations with Ethiopia since the January 25 Revolution. There is new momentum that has seen greater bilateral trade and more Egyptian investment in Ethiopia, in addition to the expansion of cooperation,” he said. “In a positive atmosphere of mutual trust and cooperation we are certainly capable of moving forward with our joint cooperation, but should the overall atmosphere take a negative turn it is unlikely that we could pursue the improvement in our mutual interests,” Idris stressed. The construction of the dam is likely to be completed in around three years if Ethiopia manages to keep the funds flowing. So far Ethiopia says it is only using national funds. Cairo has made a point of reminding potential international donors that any aid should be consistent with international regulations that demand the full consent of all Nile Basin states for key Nile projects. Idris is hopeful that an agreement can be reached while the dam is being constructed so both sides can manage the matter “with consideration for the development interests of both sides.” He added, “We are in continuous consultation with Ethiopia and this will be upgraded to ensure the matter is given the fullest consideration and fulfills the interests of both nations." Idris said the diversion of the Blue Nile is a step in the dam-construction process and the most crucial matter ahead is the pace of water storage and safety considerations. “At the end of the day we cannot agree to anything that would harm our interests. I think this is clear and legitimate,” he added. http://english.ahram.org.eg/NewsContent/1/64/72617/Egypt/Politics-/Egypt-pursuing-winwin-solution-with-Ethiopia-Ambas.aspx

Egypt and Sudan express concern over multi-billion dollar dam on Nile which violates colonial-era agreement. Last Modified: 29 May 2013 11:33 Ethiopia has started to divert the flow of the Blue Nile river to construct a giant dam to meet its energy needs, according to state media, amid concerns from other Nile-dependent countries downstream. Demeke Mekonnen, Ethiopia's deputy prime minister, said on Tuesday that diverting the flow at the site of the Great Ethiopian Renaissance Dam would provide hydroelectricity not only for Ethiopia but also for neighbouring countries, reported the state-owned Ethiopian Radio and Television Agency. Egypt and Sudan have objected to the construction, saying it violates a colonial-era agreement which gives Egypt nearly 70 percent of Nile River waters. Ethiopia, however, says the dam will not affect Egypt and that the 1959 agreement ignores the needs of five upriver countries. "This project is said to cost between $5-6bn and is expected to produce 6000 megawatts to power not only Ethiopia but also export electric power to a selection of East African countries," said Al Jazeera's Azad Essa, reporting from Addis Ababa. He added that the hydroelectric project, considered the biggest on the continent, is expected to be fully funded by the Ethiopian government and not foreign donors who refuse to enter into a dispute with Egypt. No alternative sources Egypt says its population of 90 million is among the largest in Africa and that unlike other Nile Basin countries, it does not have readily available alternative water sources. Egypt's presidency said on Tuesday that it was awaiting a report by the Tripartite Nile Basin Committee, comprised of Egypt, Sudan and Ethiopia, to determine its next steps. President Mohammed Morsi's spokesman said the move will not have a negative impact on the amount of Nile water reaching Egypt. "The main issue and the essence of the matter is the impact of the dam itself and not of this step of diverting the course of water," Mohamed Edrees, the Egyptian ambassador to Ethiopia, told Al Jazeera. He said that the diversion is a step in the construction of the dam, and will not affect either Egypt or Sudan in the amount of water because of an alternative by-pass route. Some 84 percent of the water from the world's longest river originates in Ethiopia. The Blue Nile is one of two major tributaries of the river. The White Nile, flowing through Sudan, is the other. Source: Al Jazeera and agencies http://www.aljazeera.com/news/africa/2013/05/2013528212950410935.html

Stuff and nonsense.

^^ It's a reference to the comedy Faulty Towers. In it, it had a Spanish Waiter called Manuel (suppose he was the most famous Spaniard in England).

Cay maaha, waa amaan badow yaho. To a geel jire, everyone who is not a geel jire or Somali is an alien (from earth or elsewhere). Wax fahan. (that's two jokes you ruined today).

^^ Heh. You killed the beauty of the joke warya. (they called him a fat Spanish Waiter).

^^ Just a thought that I had. If it made you scratch your head, it means I didn't execute it well.

^^ Yes. Remember what people (other than LFC fans) used to call Rafa?

What if a geel jire met an alien? Waxa la yedhi: a couple of green Aliens landed on Somalia. They didn't know where they were and have never ever come across an animal or a human before. As they stood there staring at the vastness of open ground before them, they saw figures in the horizon walking towards them. They waited and waited until the figures got closer. It was five camels and two geel jires. One of the geel jire's noticed the aliens and said "acuudo bi allah min al shaydan al rajeem. Arr kuwano maxay ahayeen?" The second squinted and said "Indha yar maaha, Cadaan na maaha, baniyaal na mahaa! War inaga kaxeey, immikay na odhan caruurtiina biyo nadiif miyay cabban, hablihiina ma la guda iyo soaladii mala yacniga ay waligood na waydeen jireen".

^^ Gah! Look at the picture warya.

xiinfaniin;956001 wrote: ^^I am not sure where you got that Puntland ever opposed Jubbaland. But though I understand your caution of going all in with respect to the Imam, the same can be said about the president who stopped everything he was supposed to do and put all his eggs in Jubbland basket. You seem to be understanding why Hassan is doing that but somehow unable to understand why Faroole is making the moves he made. All I am saying is Faroole's move are quite safe and strategic: 1) By boldly supporting Jubbaland , he is ensuring federalism takes hold in Somalia 2) By Supporting Jubbaland the way he did, he is creating political alliance both at home in Puntland and in Jubbaland and in the diaspora 3) By saying he will mediate , he is making himself reasonable to the external forces -- a relevant, and reasonable player is always effective in politics . He is also cornering Hassan who seems to be firing all directions these days indiscriminately , Kenya has become the latest victim 4) If all fails, the Imam has a nuclear option , that shall remain nameless --I trust you could decipher it . The calculation is simple NGONGE: Kismayo is a test for the commitment SFG made in honoring the federalism framework. If SFG reverses teh federalism gains of Jubbaland there is not government to honor and be part of I understand why Hassan is doing it and I've already given you my preception of Hassan's presidancy; the man comes across as a total amatuer. For a man who has been in the job for a mere nine months, I fully expect such mistakes and ego trips. Furthermore, his whole job was really created through the hard work of the Imam and others. The Imam on the other hand, has been in the job for several years and is in charge of a peaceful and developing region that's been around since 1998. A lot of work went into creating PL and making it what it is today, saaxib. Now, if Hassan Sheikh loses, the IC that's been proping his government up will find another guy to carry the torch and attempt to lead Somalia in the a different direction. However, if the Imam fails, Puntland may be swallowed up by this federal government and lose many of its hard earned advantages. 1) Like I said earlier, he should have allowed his media and public to support Jubbaland without making it a PL official policy to do so. 2) The alliance here benefits Jubbaland more than it does PL. If JL loses, it simply loses "reconciliation" efforts that are only a few years old. But if PL loses, it loses an entire generation of progress. 3) The mediation point is null and void, saaxib. He's already openly come out in support of JL. 4) By getting too involved in the JL dispute, he has almost closed the door on the nuclear option. I agree that Kismayo is a test on federalism, I just am not sure that Jubbaland and Puntland will pass such a test considering the way they chose to answer the difficult questions Hassan Sheikh put to them. The IGAD recommendations (which were later approved by the IGAD leaders) gave Jubbaland plenty of room for politicking without the need for open confrontation. 1) It advised (read ordered) the federal government and Parliament of Somalia to expedite enactment of the necessary laws that govern the establishment of regional administration - How many members of parliament could PL & Jubbaland (plus all their supporters) muster? They should have fought this battle in Parliament, saaxib. 2) It called upon the stakeholders in Kismayo to go to Mogadishu and dialogue with the Federal Government regarding the interim regional administration. The "Stakeholders" control Kismayo, saaxib. There is no harm in going to Mogadishu and "dialoguing" until the cows come home. Again, they control the land, let Hassan Sheikh lose his temper first not the other way round. 3) It says that the FG should take the lead role in creating regional adminstrations. Fair enough, let them take the lead role. Let them pay for the tea and coffee and lobby whoever they want. If, as you have been telling us, the locals are all in agreement then the FG can not change anything here. It'll still come down to the fact that the vast majority of Jubbalanders are in support of Madoobe and that Madoobe has pysical control of the land. Now, knowing all of the above, why in the world would the Imam choose to risk things in such a way? Could "Carafaat" be right?

^^ If Jubbaland "fails" it will only fail in it's current format but not as a federal state. PL is already an established federal state that is recognised by all. However, by meddling (OPENLY) in the Jubbaland fiasco, it will drag itself into a swamp that it may struggle to free itself from. By making it a win or lose situation, he's leaving himself open to the consequences of a loss, saaxib. What if Hassan Sheikh tames Jubbaland ( a state that is not in the hands of Farole, remember)? What if when doing so, Hassan gets greedy and decides to make use of the diplomatic spoils that, as a victor, he will surely have? What if these spoils include PL's positions and previous gains? Remember, all this is about the two sides idea of federalism and their understanding of the constitution (one that the Imam already disputes). Now if Jubbaland was a PL proxy that the Imam set up and planned to throw at the federal government way back when the roadmap was being agreed, I suppose I could understand why he is acting in the way he's acting now. But, it isn't! Not long ago, PL was opposed to Jubbaland. So that can't be it. That also shows that further fallouts are possible. So why bet the whole house on someone you can't possibly trust 100%?

^^ Xiin, I do and I agree with him on that part. However, he put his full weight behind Jubbaland when the latest news have shown us all the number of the diplomatic setbacks that adminstration has been suffering at the hands of Hassan Sheikh. Now Jubbaland does not care for diplomacy much (because they hold the land itself) but the Imam should. I mean it's like he's going to send an army to Kismaayo to help Madoobe. His support all along would have been and shall remain political. Looking at it from that angle and (repeating the point abou the SFG's diplomatic wins) he is taking a big risk by declaring for Jubbaland this early in the game (and it's very early, you know). ElPunto, This Somalia, saaxib. Farole is PL and PL is Farole. There is no such thing as personal political capital. If Hassan Sheikh loses this game, the Federal Government loses and has its wings clipped. Likewise with Farole and Madobe. Moonlight, See above.

^^ Waxba ii maad sheegin dee. Waliga balan uun ii qaad. War soaasha ka jawaab. It is a risky move and the Imam is either being his old impulsive self or he's up to something (as I asked in that "rotten" thread of mine).

Waranle_Warrior;955927 wrote: ^Lol, when Faroole gambles, its not just a gamble, he has heads up from one the Casino workers. Faroole always comes up to, well, in most case, watch this space athiga and see what's gona happen. By the way, in his long speech Faroole also offered to mediate between Jubbaland and the SFG. I still think it is a needless gamble by the Imam. He could have allowed his media, public and other prominent Puntlanders to openly support Jubbaland without making it an official policy of PL to support Jubbaland in this dicey stalemate. To come out in support of Jubbaland in this open way, draws a line in the sand and leaves PL open to a failure that will almost probably be due to the incompetence of others (read Madoobe) and not PL itself. Why after all these years and progress would the mad Imam put the stature and fate of PL in the hands on others in such a foolish way? p.s. How could he mediate when he already showed his hand?

The Imam is gambling his whole state for the sake of Jubbaland. He really should have stayed out of Jubbaland arguments (at least publically) and concentrated on this new constitution dispute of his. At least, this way, if Jubbaland loses, PL does not get sullied with that failure as a result. Now if Madoobe switches sides (and the man has history) or Kenya is forced to stop interferring in Somalia, the Imam will be left out in the open with no allies to call on. This is a very strange move by Farole!

^^ War this little Bruce Lee doesn't need looking after. He was flushed down the toilet within minutes of being born and still managed to make enough noise to be rescued and still survived after that ordeal. The force is strong with this one.

N.O.R.F;955868 wrote: Oh, I forgot, you can't drive I can drive, saaxib. I just can't stand the activity.

(CNN) -- The dramatic rescue began after cries were heard from a fourth-floor apartment toilet. Alarmed neighbors heard the sounds and saw a tiny foot inside a ceramic bowl. There was a baby inside. They called the fire department in the Chinese city of Jinhua, state broadcaster CCTV reported. Unable to pull the infant out out, rescuers went to the floor below and sawed away an entire section of sewer pipe. But still, the baby was stuck, so both the section of pipe and the infant were taken to a local hospital. Working together, rescuers and doctors began removing the pipe, piece by piece, as shown in video from CCTV. It shows the exact moment hands in white gloves gingerly pulled away a part of the pipe, revealing the tiny face of a newborn. The afterbirth was still attached. CCTV reported the infant, a baby boy, was rescued Saturday. He is in stable condition. No one has come forward yet to claim the child, and police say they are looking for his parents. Jinhua police issued an appeal on the social media website Weibo. "Mom, come back! The baby is resilient and alive. Please show up, Mom. This is your own baby and he should return to your warm embrace soon." CNN's Steven Jiang contributed to this report. http://edition.cnn.com/2013/05/27/world/asia/china-baby-rescue/

Juxa, nothing is happening to me. I was talking about the dark old days when the only phone anyone had was the house phones. Ha igu odhan you never recieved cold callers and heavy breathers on your house phone back then!

^^ You say it like it's something shameful!