You play your good cop and I’ll stick with my bad cop, man. Passing through, come pass through my DHIRBAAAAAAXO, girl. You’ll feel a whole lot better, dear.

See what I mean? ** Rolls sleeves ** Time for your fix, girl.

Surely it’s a matter of business though, Barwaaqo. Would you say the Saudis were doing it out of spite? See what I mean about the “few sick goats”? (Now, now, stop scratching your desk, you’ll ruin your nails, girl). It is an unfortunate thing when the Saudis refuse to buy Somali livestock. However, it’s a matter of business and public health. If they believe that livestock to still be diseased then they’ll refuse to buy it, as will any other country. We can’t force them to buy it and we can’t hate them for not buying it. As fellow Muslims we can expect them to help us out with Sadaqa but they’re not really obliged to do so. Still, all this is beside the point. The government of Saudi Arabia has put the embargo in place, not the people. Why then do many Somalis profess to hate the people? ** Ducks again **

This girl needs a good and proper DHIRBAAAAAAXO to clam her down, man.

Yes, it’s supposed to be humans and dolphins that enjoy sex. But, since you mention monkeys, I’ve got to say nobody does it as much as those little buggers.

I was talking about the place, Haniif.

DON’T GIVE THE PLOT AWAY, PEOPLE! I’m yet to watch any of these movies. :mad: :mad: :mad:

DON’T GIVE THE PLOT AWAY, PEOPLE! I’m yet to watch any of these movies. :mad: :mad: :mad:

Well said, Emmy. I, however, fear this has more to do with the usual Somali hatred of Arabs and everything connected to them than a simple discussion about Somali Arabs in the west. A huge number of Somalis who have never set eyes on an Arab country have a serious problem with Arabs. It’s the old tried and tested custom of “ waxa la yadhi”.... The Saudis refuse to buy a few sick goats and all of a sudden all the goat herders’ start hating Arabs! The Arab league does not jump to the aid of Somalia and again, the Somalis go wild with hatred. The funny thing about all of this is that it’s a one-way hatred. The Arabs either don’t realise or don’t care. While our Somali brothers and sisters would tell anyone and everyone about how much they hate those useless Arabs. When anyone tries to reason with them about this unwarranted hatred, they counter by asking questions such as “ why do you defend them so much? What have they done for you? Do you have residency?” Not forgetting the, “ The only thing that links us to Arabs is the religion” remarks! (Somebody has to tell them that this rather than belittling Arabs ends up sounds as if it’s belittling the religion). Those defending Arabs have good reasons to do so. They grew up in that environment, they got educated there and some of them still live there. Only someone who’s extremely selfish, suffering from an identity crisis or amnesia would turn around and decide to hate Arabs for things as simple as the refusal of residency! None of this is directed at the original poster by the way. I already replied to his question above. ** Ducks **

I’m glad you guys liked the story. It’s not mine by the way. It was a comment a friend made about his fridge a while back. I just ended dreaming about it. That’s all. Sewers you say? Oh, that’s one place full of all sorts; Mice, cockroaches, frogs and lots and lots of lovely writhing worms. :rolleyes:

This lunatic (meant in the nicest possible sense) was talking about singing a native deen song, SS. I have no idea what that means, so I asked her to explain. I believe Sahra Axmed to be some famous Somali singer, passing through. Don’t know any of her songs though. Maybe you can help me (highly doubt it).

What is Native Deen? Or rather who is Native Deen?

That’s how I felt all of last week! Today though, I’ve got work to do. Not much, just a bit. I’ll be done soon and then we can sit by the cyber fire and sing a Sahra Axmed song if you like. :cool:

What’s the matter, darling? Can’t you read? :rolleyes: I personally thought this story would be right up your street, sweetie

"The battle of the Zanussi 500" Last night, I woke up feeling very thirsty. I went to the kitchen and opened the fridge to have a drink. The kitchen was dark but when I opened the fridge door, the whole place lit up. I was about to pick the drink up when I noticed all sorts of hullabaloo in the fridge! Nothing was where it was supposed to be! The eggs were crowded in one corner, the onions were lined up opposite the tomatoes and the cucumber was backing up the onions! The ketchup bottle was standing to the side and looking down at all of this. I don’t know how I did it, man. But, I found myself talking to the bottle of coke and asking it what’s going on! It replied, “ The onions and the tomatoes are fighting, man”. I asked her why are they fighting and she told me they fought because a female tomato was walking past a young onion when the latter tried to chat the former up. The tomato told the onion he would be the last vegetable in the world she’d consider talking to. The onion persisted with his chat up lines when the tomato finally uttered the words that no living creature would dare say to an onion’s face. She told him that he stinks! All the onions that were loitering in the background got offended and surrounded the tomato and started roughing her up. The rest of the tomatoes gathered up and tried to help their fellow tomato. A big fight ensued. The melon tried to stop the fighting sides when the cucumber started shouting, “ butt out, fatty”. So, the melon tried to crush the cucumber, man. But, the cucumber was not alone; it had other cucumbers to back her up. The melon was surrounded and was getting punched from all sides by angry cucumbers. The eggs begged the lettuce to stand in front of them and shield them for all the fighting. The ketchup bottle was taunting the tomatoes and calling them “unrefined thugs”. The grapes blamed the tomato for all of this. They said she only insulted the poor onion because she was angry at the orange. Apparently, she tried to chat up the orange and he told her he only has eyes for the sweet bananas. The grapes claimed that the tomato was as sour as they were, man. I thanked the bottle of coke for the explanation and then picked her up and drank her. I told the rest of the fruits and vegetables in the fridge “ see what I did to the whistleblower? Now if you don’t behave, I’m going to chop you all up and eat you”. I closed the fridge and went back to bed. When I woke up in the morning I wasn’t sure if what happened the night before was a dream! I hate it when people tell me stories that I end up having them in my dreams.

su'aasheedu waa, maxaa waaye the reason behind this, maxay cadaan cadaan iskaga dhigaan isla markiiba. mayanay madow iskaga dhigin? maxa cadaanka ku waalay? It's probably because Arabs act like Westerners anyway, man. So, they probably feel at home the minute they arrive.

It's a complicated issue to get into, man. But, the few Iraqis that were tortured in those jails are only the tip of the iceberg. What are we complaining about here? Is it the torture and abuse of innocent people by non-muslims? Or is it the torture and abuse of Muslims in general? I was sickened and saddened by those pictures, I felt the humiliation of those prisoners and their families, and took out my frustrations on my ****** TV by throwing the orange I was peeling at the damn thing. Still, none of this is new or even surprising. If we're talking about these soldiers and what they did to those prisoners, then I understand why we would all take the moral high ground and shout "foul"! However, if we take a step back and leave emotions aside, we'll see that we're bringing this on ourselves. How could we reconcile our feelings towards Iraq when two thirds of the people of that country are in FAVOUR of the occupation? How could we complain about human rights abuses when most of those are committed in Muslim countries by Muslims against Muslims? I have no great love for the Western style of government or their pretensions of fairness and justice. They're only looking out for what's beneficial to them and their people. We're not doing the same for ours. We've become the world champions of wailing and screaming. I'm tired of all the rants about conspiracy theories, Islamophobia and hatred. We've been doing this for the past hundred years and it did us no good. The original poster says an apology is not enough, I think an apology is all that we wanted (or rather our leaders wanted). This way we can move on and forget about this minor misdemeanour. Now to the religious part of this! I keep hearing people going on about how ALLAH is going to help us overcome the tyrants, how justice will prevail, how the giant that is Islam will finally awaken! HUM BUG and a dozen hum bugs. None of this will happen unless we change ourselves and we're not going to change ourselves unless we stop all this weeping and wailing. Can any of you see change on the horizon? All I can see is calls for democracy and "modernisation" of Islam on one side, and calls for Sharia Law and fundamentalism on the other! Still, if things were as clear cut as that I would be happy and would have no choice but to take one side instead of another. alas, they're not. There are a hundred and one other variables to add to this equation. When I see pictures of dead Palestinians and tortured iraqis I feel really sad. Not sad for them, oh no, I'm more selfish than that. I feel sad for myself, man. I despise myself for my helplessness and my indecision. furthermore, i'm disgusted with all who wake me up from my slumber to remind me of this helplessness.

Well, erm... it’s new! It’s almost empty and it has a big photo of the globe in it. I tried to say something good about it but I couldn’t think of anything, man. At least I didn’t say something bad, huh?

Sweet girl, my explanation was not a joke, sis. The language is Latin. It’s an extract from some famous Roman’s writings. The printing press used to use it to work out the sizes of paper. Then when typing and word processing arrived, they also used it for that. If you open many word processing templates or even web pages you’ll come across that language. It’s exactly like English and it fills the same space English words and letters would fill. They use it to show you how the page would look like if you typed your own words in, but instead of typing fffffffff, or, mmmmmmmm, they decided to type those Latin verses.

No thank you, brother. I don’t want to fool around on this thread. It will be like playing hide and seek in a mosque and the last time I did that the imam beat me black and blue. Jazaka Allah Kheer.

I had a feeling you were joking. But, then I thought to myself what if this is a young sister who’s been shielded from these sort of details all her life? What if she’s the type that would break into a sweat and blush at the mention of a baby’s belly button? Infamy, infamy, someone told her about a vasectomy! Anyway, I donned my patronising teacher’s hat and proceeded to preach about the birds and the bees (by the way, notice how these two our feminine?). :eek: Hope I didn’t offend anyone here. My aim was only to irritate. You guys are talking about our jewels and crowns!

You see if SOCRATES was around today, he would not have become this great philosopher, he would have been some big time hustler. Interesting reading though, thanks Mutakalim.

I’m not implying anything. I don’t need to. I saw his photo. :rolleyes: His wife is Somali but his girlfriends are not. Hmm, I wonder if he transmitted the disease to her and his kids! I hope not.

Angry people say the worst things. Angry and ignorant people are worse. Whether they’re Muslim or Kafir is not for us to decide, sister. If you don’t like that place I advice you stay away from it but at the same time, don’t fall into the same trap by calling people KAFFIRS. May Allah guide us, and all these lost souls to the right path.

I -and no doubt-many others who are sensitive to the emperical realities of history do not yearn for Islamic Khalifa, because Khalifa or theocratic state that covers the whole Islamic world is hisorical impossibility, it never existed and its chances of existing is vary slim, however, federations and cooperations are possible among the Islamic nations, but we shoud be very carefull in idealising the Islamic past speicifically as it regards to the state, moreover, the west, is not our primary enemy, our enemy is domininat ruling classes and their cleint Islamic scholars who were and continue to be the agents of oppression and blanket exploitation Zaylici , after reading your highly insightful and slightly suspect lesson in history above, I’m not sure what your objection to an Islamic khilafa is! Are you in favour of keeping the status queue but with a bit more Islamic flavour? Are we talking about a democracy here? Secularism? Islam with a cultural tang? I don’t want to get drawn into a political discussion into the different forms of governance here, but you dismissed the concept of Khilafa yet didn’t give good enough reasons for dismissing it or even alternatives to it! Although I usually don’t agree with Hezb-Al-Tahrir, the article was talking about an Islamic Khilafa along the lines of the Ottoman Empire, he was not talking about some Utopian Concept in which everything was nice and fair and everybody loved the great Khalifa! I think he was talking about a central Islamic ruling system here. Who is in charge does not really matter as long as the central focus (or even the perceived one) is Islamic. By the way, I’m not having a go at you, nor am I totally in disagreement with you (you never know I might even agree with you!). it’s just that your post above came across as being very negative, brother. J, I’m not sure if we’ll ever have a grass roots Islamic revolution, purely because of the size of the Muslim world and because of the differences amongst Muslims. It’s possible to have a grass roots Pakistani Islamic revolution, or an Egyptian one but because of the mentality of nationhood that we seem to have, I can’t see it causing a domino effect and transferring itself to other Muslim nations. If it ever does happen (and I hope it does), it will probably start from the top down. The federations that the brother above speaks off might be the start of it.