I’m not sure why you didn’t “google” for the answers for your questions? A quick search on the Net yielded the following results (and I only spent less than a minute looking through them). I’m sure you’ll find the answers to your questions if you did a bit of research on the Net. Most of my search was on the Somali Private Sector. You can do the same with the security situation and the role of Islamic groups. In fact, I bet you’ll have more results on those two questions. I advice you to do that because any answers others and I give you on this site will mostly be subjective, speculative and slightly biased. Somali Facts Somali Info. Somali Government More Info. PS Out of pure curiosity, do you mind telling me where you from? :confused:

Some would argue that living in the West and sending hard currency home is a bigger sacrifice than leaving the comfort of your living room and your Coco Pops, QCH. Still, good luck with your journey. Hope you’re not too disappointed. Enjoy.

Anarchists want co-operation and mutual understanding. They dislike authority and being forced(coerced) to obey the state. But, in order to get their ideas across they coerce people to follow them. Their goals are noble but their movement is contradictory. The last thing that Somalis can be described as is anarchist(in the truest form of the ideology). If we were talking about the actual meaning of the word though, it meaning the refusal of the rule of law(not a precise meaning by the way, you better check the dictionary for that), then your magazine will not work. Fellow anarchists will refuse to adhere to the rules of 250 to 300 words, etc, etc...

I let you guys argue amongst yourselves about your first division teams while my premier league superstars win this whole thing. I have a decent defence, a dream midfield and effective strikers. Goals galore.

I wasn’t making a comparison between women that can have children and those that can’t. I was only praising those that can. As I said earlier, a woman’s worth is not judged by her ability to have children or not. If that was the only measurement then the praise would have been totally false. It’ll be something akin to praising a healthy cow or camel! Everything about her personality and upbringing will have to come into play. To judge her as a person(by human measurements and perceptions) we’ll have to take everything about her into account. The childbearing bit might be a bonus or a curse in that case. No point in saying so and so is a great woman because she has ten children if so and so isn’t also a good mother. Still, most people look to have children and when choosing a spouse they go about it hoping that their chosen partner will be able to have children. If in Allah’s (swt) great wisdom he decided to “deprive”(for lack of a better word) some people from experiencing that joy, it does not mean they’re less worthy. Your second question about the doctor and his ability to perform his duties in peace is easy to respond to (not that the response will be of any use of course). In a well-organised and correctly functioning state doctors will rarely have to experience the difficulties and problems that doctors in Somalia face right now. People live in a state of anarchy and many only respect the law of the gun. The majority of rational thinking people will disagree with the way this doctor has been treated but because that place does not function along the lines of morality or rational thinking, people don’t really bother themselves with such problems, unless they’re related to that doctor or the problems he’s facing stop him from treating them. The lunatics have well and truly taken over the asylum.

Xaaji Abukur was standing outside the room shouting “ waar albaabka ega fur, adeer”. Rudeboy shouted back to him: Leave me alone, adeer, I daaa, blud. Today I’s not in da mood to talk to nobody, yeah? The old man persists and keeps telling him to open the door and come out but Rudeboy refuses. The old man stops knocking for a few minutes hoping that the silence will make Rudeboy come out of his own accord. Nothing happens. Later on, while Xaaji Abukur is sitting in his living room drinking a cup of tea with an odey friend of his, Stockholm arrives. He asks to see RudeBoy and the old man tells him about the morning’s incident. Stockholm tells the old man not to worry and that he’s going to see what the problem is and hopefully sort it out. He walks to the room and knocks the door saying, “ Oi Abdi, blud open da door, man”. Rudeboy lifts his head up from the bed and stares at the locked door for a couple of seconds then decides to get up and open the door. Stockholm walks in and says: “Wa’ppun, blud?” Rudeboy replies: Nutten happen, blud. I’s just not in da mood to chat to people, ya get me? Stockholm nods with a knowing look and a cheeky smile. Rudeboy says: What, blud, what? You wants me to tell you what happened? Aight, I’s gonna tell you, blud. It’s about dat girl, blud. She’s leaving, blud. Her holiday is finished and she’s leaving me, blud. Stockholm exclaims “ So what? It was a holiday romance, blud. It’s over now, no biggy”. Rudeboy screams: Holiday romance? Holiday Romance, blud? Dis is not some English movie about some old woman loving a Greek sailor, blud. Dis is real, ya get me? We’s not in Aya Nappa or nothin like dat, understand? I’s not even sure I’s love da girl or anyting, blud. I’s just like her, like her a lot blud. I’s told Xaaji Abokor dat I’s wants to go back home but he refused. He says my “rehabilitation” is not complete, blud! What’s not complete? When my Hoyo sent me here she says it’s because of Tracy and my bad boy crew, blud. I’s don’t even want to hang around dem boys no more and I’s been cured from loving white gals dem, ya get me? So why are dey keeping me here, blud? Stockholm shrugs and says “ So, if you don’t love da girl why are you too upset about it, blud? You’ll go home soon, man” Rudeboy replies: I’s told you, blud I’s like da girl a lot. We’s have some sort of a connection, for real! She da only woman I sees dat can read my mind, blud. Even my Hoyo can’t read my mind dis good, blud. If I’s was older I’s would really tink about marrying her, blud. Stockholm asks him “ so why don’t you do dat, blud? Dis is Somalia, star not Laaandhaan, ya get me? If you’s over 16 you can marry her, blud. Is dere something you not tell me, man? Everyting in good working order, yeah?” then he winks at him. Rudeboy giggles and says: Everyting in good working order, blud. I’s is fully functional. You go and ask Tracy and her baby boy, blud. But dat is not da problem, ya get me? I’s don’t have a job or a house or nothing, blud. How is I gonna marry someone when I’s can’t look after myself, ya get me? Stockholm laughs and replies: I’s told you blud, this is not Laan dhaan this is Somalia. You’s have family to sort all dem details out for you, blud. Yous just make sure you is “fully functional” like yous say, ya get me? Talk to Xaaji Abokor, he’s your adeer innit? Tell him you’s want to marry dat girl and he will deal wid everyting for you, blud. Rudeboy asks “FOR REAL, blud?” Stockholm replies: for real, blud, for real. Just tell him, man. Rudeboy gets very excited and starts daydreaming about being married and how when he gets home from the Maqaaxi he’ll walk in and shout “naaa Farax contada meeday?” and how she’ll come running and acting all shy and happy to see him then bring a baaldi with water in it and wash his tired feet for him. He starts thinking of his ten male children and how they’ll be big and strong and that if they ever disobey him, he’ll get his SOON and karbash the lot. In the middle of his daydream and the sound of the SOON and crying, fleeing children, he hears Stockholm’s voice saying “ Abdi, Abdi, stop tinking about sex, blud..we have work to do, ya get me?”. Stockholm tells him to go out and talk to the old man while he waits for him in the bedroom then come back and report it all. Rudeboy hesitates but Stockholm persuades him that it will be alright. Rudeboy walks out the room saying, “ wish me luck, blud, wish me luck”.

somalia is one of the only third world countries (muslin or non muslim) that acknowledges women rights and thier class in sociaty, let me go up a notch (if a man beats up his wife and she goes to her family n tells them what he did, her father n brothers will beat the living sence outta him, if not kill him)...... ... another scenario...... (if a women is not happyly married or is fed-up with her husband, she will go to her father n tell him she doesn't want this man anymore she wants divorce, after few warnings of (itaqal laah) he will give in) we had women doctors, flight attendents, bankers, lawyers, teachers, principals, intrapreneurs,import n export business owners. I agree that we acknowledge women’s rights and their class in society. They’re second-class and they have no rights whatsoever. Lets get real here, man. All these women who whinge and complain about their treatment by men can’t be simple trouble makers who are having a bad day, can they? As for your example of a wife getting beaten by her husband who consequently receives protection from her father and brothers, well there is nothing civilised about that one at all. An eye for an eye, was it? How does that differ from the family of the woman who in retaliation for her treatment shut the hospital and tried to attack the doctor? After all, the main method of arbitration here is violence. You seem to condone one surely you’ll condone the other too! There is something really rotten about the whole thing but that’s what happens in ignorant societies.

oo flin hindi ah oo ladhihi jiray "Amal, Akbar, Antony" Heh. Finally, I found a man of my generation. Of course, even though I saw that film on TV, I was still not old enough to go and watch it in the cinema, adeer. :rolleyes:

It’s understandable that the woman’s family were upset about her losing her womb. I wouldn’t say a woman’s life is judged by the children she bears but you’ve got to admit that as a nation (and as encouraged by our faith) the bearing of children is very important to us. My comments here regard Muslims in every other part of the world, not Somalia though. That place currently goes by different rules. In fact, I always find it amusing when I see westerners grumbling about the proliferation of the compensation culture. They should try going to Somalia to see how it’s really done. Nobody’s life is worth anything in that place. Everyone is a tool. Women are the most profitable type though. They’re the geese that lay golden eggs (or was it golden camels?). I’ve heard of countless stories of old pensioners living in the West who go back to Somalia and get seduced by a young teenage girls then end up marrying them. A week later the girl would complain that she does not want to stay with the old man and asks to be released from the marriage. The girl’s family will ask the old man not enter the town/city/village until he had paid her what she’s owed or they’ll kill him! These people are a law unto themselves. They follow whatever path will make them the most money and they take advantage of any opportunity that presents itself (such as a female relative losing her womb!). Talking about women and child bearing in general though, without being insensitive or harsh, I would say a good, strong and healthy young woman who is able to give birth to healthy kids can’t be judged in terms of worth and value, the scales are not big enough for that! That kind of woman is priceless. I’m using the measurements of us mere mortals here by the way. I’m sidestepping the (obvious) point about her worth in religious terms (Taqwa, etc) because little old me is in no position to judge people from that angle. Go forth and multiply, baby :cool:

News just in, Juxa celebrated her birthday without inviting anyone. Evidence below: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Even if you didn’t say you were a girl, Pearl your post more than gave it away. ** Patronising Mode On ** Do you like Totti and Beckham? ** Patronising Mode off ** hee hee

Shujui, funny you should ask that. Here is a website with a fatwa on your questions. I'm not sure of the authenticity of the website though. Looks fine to me. :rolleyes: Interest?

Reminds me of my younger days.

The job description does not sound too bad. There is no mention of being part of any transactions that involve interest. Again, from the job description alone I can’t see how you would “dirty” your hands with any Haram acts. Still, the company (which you didn’t mention by the way) might be involved in Haram and “Halal” trades. You better ask an expert on this (and make sure you provide him with all the information). If it’s any consolation, I think you did the right thing, saaxib. PS Why wasn’t this posted on the Islam section? PPS Good luck with your next job (avoid sausage factories ).

I reread the original article and I have to confess that I got it wrong. There is no mention of any scholars or any Islamic bodies being involved (I’m sure I read about their involvement somewhere). I take it all back. Still, as a face saving exercise, I’m going to remind you that the two schools are not the same. “Stuart Moore, assistant head teacher at Denbigh School, said the girl had not been excluded, but had taken the decision to be absent.” The above is from one of your links and relates to the 15 year old. The school that banned the Hijaab is a different one. It was a slight knock but My wisdom still remains undiminished. ** Sprinkle **

"we did not come to Plymouth..Plymouth landed on us" That was Al Hajj Malik Al Shabaz (or Malcolm X). It’s ironic that you actually used that line. He was talking about using the bullet or the ballet! In that speech he was talking about either being allowed to fully take part in American society or fighting for that right. He was also talking about going HOME to Africa! However, in saying that line he was illustrating the fact that the African Americans did not immigrate to that continent but were brought there “Plymouth Rock landed on US”. Back to the topic...

Heh. Your first link relates to a different school and the banning of the Hijaab altogether, cheeky. Your second link relates to the same article above but where it differs is in the omission of the school’s efforts and consultation with Islamic bodies (which was part of the article we’re all replying to here). Your contention on the use of the Quran and Sunna when criticizing is void because as mentioned on the original article, the school did consult with other Islamic bodies regarding it’s uniform policy. See? My argument is one of semantics not religions and laws. If someone is going to post an article and in that article already state that “scholars” have been consulted and dismissed the girl’s actions as wrong then people will tend to agree with the views of the scholars rather than agreeing with the views of a 15 year old (note that all these articles did not say if the girl had consulted anyone). The funny thing in all of this is that most of those arguing for this case are using the secular High Court verdict as being a proof of the correct actions of this girl. My wisdom remains undiminished. ** Sprinkle Sprinkle **

^^^ Reminds me of Al Imam El Shafici's poem: I'll try to write it using the Somali alphabet (but it's still in Arabic if you can read it): TACAMADNI BI NOSXIKA FE ENFIRADI WA JANIBNI AL NASEEXATA FEL JAMACA FA ENA EL NOSXA BEENA EL NAS NAWCON MEN AL TOWBIIKI LA ARDA ESTIMACAH WA EN KHALAFTANI WA CASEET QOWLI FA LA TAJZAC EDA LAM TOCTA TAACA تعمدني بنصحك في انفرادي وجنبني النصيحة في الحماعه فان النصخ بين الناس نوع من التوبيخ لا ارضا استماعه وان خالفتني و عصيت قولي فلا تجزع ادا لم تعط طاعه

Ngonge, sxb, meesha waxaa la isku heesto, is the game of words, they call themselves INNOCENT, CIVILIANS, AND WE CALL THEM OCCUPIERS. so be carefull and don't be quick to judge. i agree with trueth seeker here, only when westerners dies they talk, not when muslims are dying all over. I think we’re going to go over the Nick Berg story again here. How could a journalist be classed as an “occupier”? Where do we draw the line on what is Just and morally (Islamic-ly) correct and what’s not? The war of words you speak of is all well and good in Iraq and Palestine (we might as well use the Westerners favourite term of “collateral damage”), however I don’t think it justifies the killing of unarmed civilians (Muslim or otherwise) in Saudi Arabia. Conscious Manipulation, “One has to ask, why are such government-backed committees and Sheikhs so ready to issue fatwa upon fatwa defending western interests?” As you can see, the answer is in the question itself. GOVERNMENT-BACKED COMMITTEES AND SHEIKHS! There isn’t much we can say or add to that age-old travesty. Still, sometimes, those committees and sheikhs get it right.

Again this is another argument filled with emotion and confused assessment. The people that criticized this girl (and I was one of them) did so as a result of the information presented to them in the original article. A school claims to have allowed for Islamic uniform, a student at that school goes one step further and decides to wear a uniform of her own choice, the school consults with Islamic bodies and is told its rules are more than sufficient! That’s what was written in the original thread (from someone who was actually backing the girl’s case!). Are you surprised then that anyone reading it would blame the girl for overreaction and being difficult? As for Muslims backing each other up, I thought that’s what people are doing here! You back your fellow Muslims up by supporting them when you think they’re in the right and constructively criticising them when you think they’re in the wrong. Blind support is a Jaahiliyah trait.

Heh. I see what you did there! Ok, lets follow your line of argument regarding the use of other “English” words. Would you feel comfortable with the word Niggér? How about swear words? Surely there are words that you wouldn’t feel comfortable with in the English language. If someone sneezed in front of you would you use the words “Bless you”? I could go on and on with lots of examples of words that although exist in the English language, you and I would not feel comfortable using them. There are alternatives to these words. The word Diaspora like I already said is strongly associated with the Jews. The scattering of the Jews from their original lands is at times attributed to god’s anger with them (this is the Jewish interpretation hence my use of the word God here). You might argue that the same might apply to the Somalis and other people who left their lands, but I would still not want to be compared to the Jews when it comes to experiencing a divine wrath. Anyway, back to the topic...you didn't tell me if you were planning to go home or not!

^^^I dislike that word because of its original meaning. It refers to the exiled Jews from Israel in the sixth century BC. Later on it was used to refer to any group of people who were dispersed from their original lands. But, even now, for the most part, it’s still associated strongly with the Jews living outside Israel. :mad: Anyway, back to our topic...

Today Rudeboy was sitting in the Maqaaxi with his boys and playing Torob. His mind was not on the game and Stockholm was getting irritated. Stockholm says to him: Yo, blud you got to concentrate on da game, man! I knows you can play better dan dis, fix up blud, fix up. Rudeboy gets all defensive and says: Why you stressing, blud? It’s only a game of torob, ya get me? Dese boys are on fire today, blud. I’s doing my best to win but dey is playin a great game, blud. Stockholm laughs and says : dese boys are rubbish blud and you knows it. Your mind is not on da game blud, you tinking of dat gal again, blud! I sees you looking at your watch every five minute, man. Rudeboy replies: What gal blud? You tink a little gal can run my life, star? I’s got no time for no girls, ya get me? You my boys blud, you my boys. Gals are fun to be wid and all dat but when I’s wid my boys, I’s wid my boys, yeah? Listen blood, I’s tell you a story Xaaji Abokor told me yeah! He said dat back in da days when dem dumar used to cook Conto for all dem mans, dey never got to eat anyting until the mans have finished eating blud! Can you imagine dat, blud? Dey got to eat the Hambo, star! Leftovers like a bisad, blud! I’s told Xaaji Abokor dat it was wrong to expect women to eat my habmo but he’s told me dat it was ok, blud! He’s said dat da women did not mind! When I’s heard dat story I’s was tinking how cheap it was to take a girl on a date blood. Imagine taking her to MacDonald’s or somethin yeah, and you order one Big Mac Meal yeah, you eat first and when you is full, she eats, blud! I’s don’t know if I’s can do dat though. I’s know dat men and women is not equal but dis here story is cruel, blud. So, what I’s tryin to tell you is dat I’s put my boys and bredrins before any woman dem but I’s never aks a woman to eat my leftovers, ya get me? Stockholm nods and asks him if he likes the girl or not. Rudeboy replies: I’s gonna be on da level wid you now, blud. If you tink I’s gone soft or anyting, just allow it yeah, allow it. I’m feelin her, blud. She’s buff. But she only a girl, blud. I’s not gonna marry her or anyting like dat. But I’s like being around her and she’s clever blud. She’s clever you know. Dem Holland gal all clever, blud. Dey speak so many languages I’s don’t know how all dat stuff fit in dier pretty heads, ya get me? I’s gonna meet her later on by Xaaji Abokor’s Birkaad, you wanna come so I can hook you up wid her girl? She’s buff too you know. Stockholm declines the invitation and tells him that he’s more than happy with his own Jaat girls. Rudeboy looks at the other two boys and then decides that it’s best if he doesn’t invite either of them to join him. He puts his cards down and gets up telling the boys it’s time he got on his way to his date. An hour later, Rudeboy is standing by the birkaad waiting for Farax and wondering why she’s late. He starts getting paranoid and thinking maybe Stockholm had spoken to her and told her about their earlier conversation. He starts thinking of excuses to explain why he told Stockholm that she’s not really that important and that he’s only wasting his time with her. While he was standing there kicking the sand and lost in his thoughts, Farax sneaks up on him and tabs him on the shoulders. He jumps up startled and takes a swing at her that narrowly misses her, shouting “who dat, who dat?” Farax looks at him with a shocked look on her face and starts walking away. He chases her and grabs hold of her arm. She stops and turns round and looks at him. In his panic, he tries to explain to her that he’s a thug and “ you don’t sneak up on a thug like dat unless you have a death wish, ya get me?” Farax still stares at him without uttering a word. He panics even more and starts saying: Listen Farax yeah, listen. I’s didn’t mean to hit you and I’s didn’t know it was you sneaking up on me. I’s like you gal and would never dream of hurting one little Timo on your body, ya get me? Dis was just a reflex action, ya get me? Just a reflex action. Like when you sitting under a Geed and a Caaro falls on your head, you jump and wipe it off, right? I’s done da same. Naah, naah baby gal, I’s not calling you a caaro, blud. Dat was just a example, ya get me? Amyways, calm down now and come and sit down yeah. We’s got a lot to talk about, ya get me. Don’t tell dis to my boys but I’s have a better time when I’s wid you den when I’s wid dem. I’s no playa or anyting but I’s like your company. For real, blud, for real. I’s like talking to you and listening to your broken Somali. Yeah, yeah, I’s know my Somali is not perfect eider but still, I’s find yours real sweet, ya get me. Finally, Farax breaks into a smile and starts laughing about how clumsy he is. Rudeboy tries to tell her that he’s not clumsy and that the reflex action was a result of his natural “Thug” tendencies. “ When I’m wid you I’s not a thug, I’s gonna be a butterfly, huuno malab”. Today, I’m more bored than usual. Well, at least I only have 45 minutes to go.

I only gave it one try and didn't bother after that.

I don’t understand this game. I got the correct answer straight away but that was pure guesswork.