^^^ Did you like my swahili contributions? I've been studying night and day just so I could claim to understand you. Ulimi unauma kuliko meno :rolleyes:

^^^ Heh. I'm more than happy to confess to my shortcomings, dear. It's one of those things that make me interesting, charming, great, humble and all in all, the irresistible person that I am. Ladies, my knowledge of the Xijaab is very limited so I will not conduct a sermon on that particular matter. However, my crusade against that tiny garment favoured by the Romania dwelling, Oxford street walking, gold-toothed street beggars, continues. :mad: When out and about in banaanka, do not wear a bandana.

Aaah, friends! My candle burns at both ends, it will not last the night But Oooh my foes and Aaah my friends, it gives a lovely light. Everyone I know is an acquaintance, a colleague or an associate. My friends live a very long way away from me. I don’t even own a dog and my eyesight is too long gone for a book! ** Bemoans his old age and forgotten friends ** ** Sobs **

I was about to go into a big rant about you clutching at straws there, DA! Was going to go into another long explanation quoting the photos above and the comments of other people in this thread, but then I read Rahima’s post one more time and I think it answered all your questions. Here it is again (just me being irksome): DA, Hijab can be of any type but it must fulfil the following seven conditions: 1. Clothing must cover the entire body, only the hands and face may remain visible. 2. The material must not be so thin that one can see through it. 3. The clothing must hang loose so that the shape / form of the body is not apparent. 4. The female clothing must not resemble the man's clothing. 5. The design of the clothing must not resemble the clothing of the non believing women. 6. The design must not consist of bold designs which attract attention. 7. Clothing should not be worn for the sole purpose of gaining reputation or increasing one's status in society. Therefore any hijab fulfilling these conditions is acceptable in Islam irrespective of which people wear it.

^^^ Forget about that and tell me the good news instead, did you win?

Heh. Calm down, Bee! It’s not only your grandmother who wore the garbasaar, dear. All our mothers and grandmothers did (do). My entire point in this thread is about the Masar. It’s something that does EXIST in Somali society and many people mistake it for being the proper form of Xijaab. Was I wrong in attempting to enlighten those that don’t know and remind those that do? Shoot me! Devil’s Advocate asked for a description of a Xijaab (go on, describe one and I bet you that it would look like any of the above). Oh, just one more point, the third photo with the little girl is not a photo of an Arab girl. I’m glad I started this topic, methinks lots of the protesting sisters on here are closet Masar wearers. STOP IT NOW! Seriously though people, not every guy who starts a topic about an incorrect practise does so to antagonise you. Honestly, some are criticising the thread because I posted some photos in it and some are attacking it because those photos had Arab women in them! I feel cornered here, people! Like some mad man once said on national TV: I’m not a Sandwich!

^^^ Nyimbo ya kufunzwa haikeshi ngoma

^^^ Just for you, saaxib.

Any of these will do I suppose: and........ ^^^ Hope all of that was to your liking, Your excellency.

I don't like trick questions, DA! :mad:

Soomaali waxay ku maah maahdaa, coke hadee kaa dhamaato pepsi aa lagu daba qabtaa. POST OF THE YEAR!

^^^^ I don't know what you said above but in a rare moment of inspiration the dreaded lingo seemed to roll of my tongue. :rolleyes: What can I say to you guys, huh? Kuambizana kuko kusikilizana hapana! :mad:

Heh. It was a teeny weenie pinch, dear. Had I known the scream would be that loud, I wouldn’t have bothered! Erm, blame it on the sleepless nights. :rolleyes:

That looked like a tiny lizard to me, raula. This is a real snake.

:eek: :eek: :eek: OG_Girl in “I demand a housemaid” shocker!! :eek: :eek: :eek:

Education is a tool to succes I was under the impression it was a path to gaining knowledge! It’s a real shame how the capitalists have turned it from that into an emblem of success and making money! Are you an imperialist too, comrade Dawoco? :eek:

Different people, different answer - if you are after a general agreement you won't get it. People see things differently - old or young it doesn't really matter Erm, but it does matter! :rolleyes: The next time you meet any Somali women, have a good look at them and the way they wear their Masar. Better still, go to their houses and sit with them when they’re not wearing any Masar or Xijaab. Watch how quickly they scramble to wear a Masar (not a full Xijaab) the minute a man arrives. Like I said, I’m not stating an opinion here. It’s a fact. My hope was that we would start from this fact and continue the discussion from there! Seems the fact is being disputed though!

Have you cleaned the house? Is dinner ready? Have you fed the kids? Did you wash my clothes? Are there men out there that ask such questions? :eek: Don’t they have anything better to do than wonder if their wife has cooked or cleaned? Great advice but maybe I’m being naïve here, I don’t think there are many guys like that these days. Lazy probably, but expecting such privileges and actually making orders! Where can I find these guys so they can give me some advice on how to make my wife kowtow and shuffle about at every whish and whim of mine? Sounds very appealing if you don’t mind me saying so. *** Clears throat *** Shaah, Shaah, NOW! *** Ducks to avoid the flying Dacas ***

Ngonge, bro what u saying here. when i say to stay with in islamic circle, i mean not going out of it, as in not to sin. I still don't get the pt u r making when u say gayness is ok in their rule. if u see their history u would know they were the one of the first ppl. they say the pope burned the first gay ever seen in europe long time ago somewhere in the 14th century. Homosexuality is ok in their laws because they’re man-made laws. Even in their religions they’ve chopped and changed to modernise the interpretations of the Bible to accommodate this new understanding of homosexuality. So, being gay is ok.

I’m not sure what all the fuss about that photo is! The actual photo was freely available on the net. The topic on hand was not about the girl’s beauty or morals. It was an example of a Somali form of Xijaab. I think people are being a little too sensitive here. :rolleyes: Most of the people who replied stated that this is not the correct way of wearing the Xijaab. They sort of made it out to be an isolated incident of someone wearing the “Masar” as a fashion accessory. I’m really tempted to post another photo of an older woman wearing a Masar (this time she’s in Somalia). This Masar is regarded as a Xijaab in Somali society. It’s not something I’ve invented it’s something that already exists. When I started this topic I was hoping most of us were on the same wavelength but obviously we’re not! :mad: So, back to my original warning: Girls, do not wear that Masar. Lets leave it at that.

Hate it when that happens :mad:

Good news, good news, I hear a Masri guy has opened a coffee shop in Upton Park with sheesha and all the other bits. His partner is Somali (actually both his partners are - his wife is Somali and his business partner is Somali too). I hear it's the best place in town.

lol@Jumatatu. The shirt and jeans don’t bother me in this instance only. I wanted to talk about the masar today. Nafisa, I know it’s not a Xijaab and I also know that many Somali women treat as a Xijaab. There was no assumption being made here. Cold facts, dear, cold facts. Picture the scene: Your brother brings a friend of his home, you’re in the living room as they walk in, the first thing you grab is your “garba sar” because your head is already covered with the masar. You need to run to the shop to grab a pint of milk, the first thing you grab is your garba sar (masar is already on the head). For all intents and purposes, this damn masar is being regarded as a form of Xijaab. You follow?

^^^^thax again sxb... Ok people my distant uncle Ngonge was talking about the different 'xijaab' worn by our sisters. He took an example of a girl wearing a jeans, open chested shirt, and a masar on the head..and asked whether this was permisabble.... I have no problem with the shirt and jeans (not for the purposes of this discussion anyhow). I only wanted to point out the masar.

Go to the website below and tell me your opinion on that masar. Not the girl, just the masar. Xijaab ama Xarragow?