While I welcome this new development of lifting the Ban, I have reservations about its sincerity You make it sound as if it’s some kind of favour, saaxib.

Feebaro, waxan aad qortay ma gabay bu aha mese "yaada" kugo dagtay, saaxib?

*** Pulls up a seat and eagerly awaits the first romantic male to pour his heart out on this thread *** Mental note to self: Bully the fool.

What an interesting topic. It’s like an Indian movie. It has a hero and a heroine. He’s nice and god-fearing. She’s young and fashion conscious. It has good and evil, a little tiff and a final embrace! The audience love it. Some are even drawing a moral out of that complicated story; Hijab is good, devious holy men are bad. It’s even related as badly as all those movies usually are.

DA, dear(said in the nicest possible way with me kowtowing at your feet lest you think it condescending again). I’m afraid we’ll have to withdraw the “nit-picking†award from you. You’ve been beaten by a mightier force with an epic like aptitude for nit-picking.

^^^^ I think the phrase to use when faced with such a comment can only be a big fat “ Whooshâ€. :rolleyes: This was directed at Barambaro rather than Rahima. In any case, the sister above was kind enough to explain.

Do you have something against me posting my opinions? Not at all! Do you have something against me commenting on them?

You have not given enough details on how this is to be carried out. You mentioned Islam but didn’t say if the judgment will be done in a civil court or an Islamic one. I wouldn’t want to risk making a judgment on this idea, but purely on the strength of your article I think this is a Turkish version of Islam-lite. By the way, doesn’t “adultery†relate to people who are already married? Are the young ones free to fornicate then? DA, I wouldn’t want to get into an Islamic discussion on the subject. However, the stoning on the strength of half the evidence (baby in the womb) is only accepted by those who follow the Maliki madhab (I think).

There is a need for law in all aspects of our lives, to help those less advantaged in the law arena, and that is not restricted to family-oriented fields as mentioned above. I didn’t see any restrictions in the article. You saw them! That, my dear, is nitpicking. (I think it’s infectious too).

^^^^ You’re turned “nit-picking†into an art form there, dear.

I don’t know about any of the other married people on here. Personally, I visit these forums and all the other chat rooms to find an eager companion. You see, I’m a Somali man. I’m unlike any other type of man in this world. I was born with a roving eye and a filthy mind. One woman is not enough; two women are not enough, fifteen will keep me busy but they’re still far from enough! :rolleyes: I’m not interested in their looks. I’m not interested in their marital statues. I’m not even bothered if they were really men masquerading as women. It’s all about the idea of a woman, female, feminine, soft, alluring, sweet sounding woman! If the “single†people feel threatened by our presence then that’s really a failing on their part rather than a fault with the Marriage Club Brigade. Seriously though, this topic is a non-runner.

It was in April this year when the systems at work were down. The only thing we were able to use was the Internet. I decided to use google and see what Somali websites I can browse to pass the time while waiting for the systems to be repaired. I saw this topic: http://www.somaliaonline.com/cgi-bin/ubb/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=8;t=000546 The first post on that thread caught my eye and I decided to read on. It wasn’t a bad way to occupy myself while the systems came back up. I’ve been amusing myself thus ever since. PS On the same day that I found this place I also stumbled upon Somalinet. I have no idea how bad or good that website is and I’m not about to criticise it on a rival website either. The cheer size of it put me off though.

^^^ Well of course.

Very nice topic. Although I’m getting the impression I was the only Somali who got smacked, hit, slapped and treated as a moving shoe rack as a child! Oh come on, straighten your faces and don’t feel sorry for me, I used to enjoy the experience. In fact, I used to beg my father to beat me up every time I did something wrong. The alternative you see, was a long and wearisome lecture. It was not even a story like the ones the sister above related! No, my father would go on and on and on about how wrong I was in whatever it is I did. He’d gradually build up into a crescendo and tell me that these were signs of failure and that if I didn’t arrest them now, I’m going to regret them for the rest of my life! He knew that I knew that he was talking rubbish and that these long reprimands were my punishment for doing wrong. He also knew that children in general had no patience and are not able to concentrate on a boring activity for long. A five-minute lecture always felt as if it lasted for an hour! Of course, if he was in a hurry and had no time to spend on long rebukes, he’d shout as loud as he could and start pretending to hit me and miss. Sometimes, depending on the offence, he would actually hit me! Mother on the other hand, never did hit me (none that I remember at least). She did all the things the people in the posts above mentioned. She’d threaten me with telling my father, she would give me the “look†or she’ll threaten to embarrass me in front of my friends the next time they came to visit. Amazingly enough, both parents still follow the same routine with me and my siblings (excluding the beating part of course). Now, I’m an adult and have my own children. I really have no idea what methods of punishment and correction I’d use on them, they‘re far too young for anything stronger than a NO with varying pitches of voice. To tell you the truth, I’d quite fancy owning my own punishment BELT. But, that’s more to do with my twisted mind than a belief in its use as a parenting approach (I assure you that the belt has nothing to do with my own upbringing, in case you jump to conclusions). Lately, I’ve noticed a trend amongst many Somali mothers (and fathers), I’ve noticed that many of them would curse and swear at their children with some very obscene and colourful language. Having never actually lived in Somalia and never experienced living in the midst of a predominantly Somali society, I could not confirm such occurrences to be the norm. However, in my dealings with migrant Somalis in the Arab world and the UK, I’ve witnessed the same scene being repeated dozens of times. I can’t help but cringe every time I see an otherwise respectable and decent mother scolding her child and telling him to go away and do such and such things to his own father! On occasions, the mothers will notice me and feel embarrassed and ashamed. What’s really astonishing and bizarre about this is that they’ll feel ashamed for swearing in the presence of a strange man but see nothing wrong with swearing at their own child! May Allah guide them (and us) into the righteous path and reward their efforts with virtuous and worthy offspring. PS I wrote this at 3.45 AM. The entire family are suffering from a bad cold and I had to stay up to keep calming them down and sweet-talking them to sleep. They all woke up again at 7.00 AM and I only managed to get some sleep at 11.00 AM. It's almost 7.00 PM now and I just woke up. They're all keeping out of my way now because I told them that I'm finding it hard to control my temptation to use that belt after all. Parenting you say? It's a piece of cake, no really it is. :mad:

^^^^ 10.00 PM tonight. Channel Five. Hairy Women.

^^^^ Qacbaro is not a girl, dear.

but what am a little confused about is that they also prefer for us to be educated...well...if that is to be how do u expect a person to have dedicated all this time and effort in an education and then they expect u ...to stay at home and then raise the kids ...and God forbid ...that u want to have a career after u've had kids....is it so wrong for me to want it all....a great home and a great career?...plz help a sister outtttttttt Sister, you don’t have to study to be able to work. The hope is that you’ve spent all that time in learning and studying to improve your knowledge not to just get a job. Two separate things, you see. I wouldn’t worry myself with getting answers for all these questions. Usually, people change their minds about lots of things when they get married. We’re merely human; we can’t plan for every eventuality. When the time comes though, be happy that he wants YOU and not all these inconsequential things on those made up lists.

This one has all the signs of a:

Apology accepted. But, you don’t have to totally abandon me, saaxib.

^^^ :eek: Saaxib, I had you down as many things; pretentious, fake, aloof, sensitive, stiff, misunderstood, confused, intelligent, silly, a ridiculous parody of a fraud, wise and blinkered all at the same time. But I never had you down as a cyber troll. Can’t you see the pointlessness of chasing me around like this and dangling of my shirtsleeves like a neglected three-year-old? Lets keep our little mating ritual for the other forums on this site and stay civil to each other in the Islamic one. Now, put your shield down and let’s see if my questions have managed to hit their mark. Any other comments on them? Replies would be more helpful of course.

^^^That smiley face he has as an avatar leads me to think that he’s hardly ever serious in the things he types, saaxib.

lol@Shobaaro..ala maxa nala gumiistay, saaxib. lakin ruunta hadaan ku sheego, xayraan bad eska tahay ninyaho. xaaskaga hado walac hayo, maxa ku hor dhigay? arr hoyadiid o so dhir oo tunoho Moti sheegayay eska sameeso. Cajiiib!! Going into the Kitchen needs talent, it also needs discipline and you really have to be interested in what you’re cooking. The girls have the advantage over us in that department (most girls anyway). If you don’t know how to do it and don’t enjoy it, don’t do it, saaxib. Don’t do it for love or money. Phone for a pizza. La es ma dhibo, saaxib. Anyway, your case is temporary. She’ll soon be up and running again and cooking you all sorts of lovely foods. In the meanwhile, you either eat out or call a female relative to do all your cooking. It’s the Somali way and therefore it must be correct, saaxib. Did she enjoy your food by the way? :rolleyes:

Truth Seeker, As you rightly state, these “madhabs†are only minor details that are blown out of all proportion. I understand your party’s plans and agree with them (in the long term). But, as I have been telling you in the past, not everyone is in agreement on the ways and hows of Khilafah. As you yourself admit, such things are due to the decline in the Ummah. Wouldn’t you need to have an aware Ummah before trying to implement an Islamic rule? Not everyone needs to be aware but at least a significant number should. The rest can ride along in that tidal wave. At the moment, everyone says that the best system of government is Islam (according to their own understanding of it and the ways it should be implemented). You’re different, you’re saying it’s the Khilafa and you thankfully give a detailed plan of how that will be achieved. But, I still think you should focus on explaining and reconciling the differences in perception and interpretation rather than banging on about the Khilafa (that message has been received loud and clear in that respect, saaxib).

lol@Barambaro Apart from the receding hairline (it’s not nature, it’s a fashion statement) you got me spot on. I can’t say I could imagine what any of you look like. Well, ok, let me return the compliment. You’re slim; you have a very tiny mouth and chocolate coloured skin. You have eight legs and you can climb walls...... It’s rude not to describe the author of this thread. I imagine OG Girl to be of average height and build. Small nose, big eyes and small mouth. Wearing Wellington boots and Army Fatigues. A bandana on her head and a Swiss army knife on her side. A toothbrush in one hand, toothpaste in the other and a winning smile.