^^^ Silly ayaayo. All women are regarded as commodities. I read it in my wife’s copy of “The Feminist Manifestoâ€.

People marry those that they were meant to marry. He can be in North America and she can be in Burkina Faso, if they’re meant for each other then it’s going to happen. Discussions, arguments and speculations don’t change a thing. Having said that, this little rumour seems to be gaining more momentum of late! Is it just a rumour or is there really something wrong with the “image†of Somali women in the west as to drive some men to think or behave in such a way? On the other hand, Somali women in general (there are the odd exceptions of course) seem to have formed a similar idea of Somali men! They of course, can’t go back to Somalia, Africa, Arabia or Asia to fish for a husband, because, in all probabilities, this husband will be more backwards than the chauvinistic men in the West! What’s a girl to do? Well, to start with, she can add her name to my list (insurance is good for you). This of course is a worst case scenario (for I’m the rescuer of spinsters). Alternatively, girls can always immigrate to the countries these illegible bachelors import their wives from. I’ve just noticed the name of the person that started this thread. Heh. How appropriate!

^^^ 21 posts now

^^^^^^ I assumed that the article was about Somaliland, saaxib. The words “Puntland†and “ I’m outraged†don’t often come out of Nationalist’s mouth, you see.

^^^ That one is a bit farfetched, wouldn’t you say? Do you think the president of Somalia is trying to encourage transparency or did he have no time to open a Swiss bank account? Either way, it’s a huge gamble to take in the name of honesty, wouldn’t you say? Long live the honest president of Somalia.

^^^ I thought we agreed they'll be no more flirting between us, dear!

^^^^^ Of your nineteen or so posts on this site so far, are there none that don’t concern that “non-existent†country by the name of Somaliland, saaxib?

Originally posted by rayaana: Please iam beging Take this topic to the POLITICS SECTION...the problem does not lye with visitors in the islamic section but those in the corrupted part of sol i hate to see what people post there. I wish the admins could do thier jobs in a more "hands on way", where is the honour with them ppl?? This can almost be construed as gossip! Horta ma ila argtay? Xuma dadkano.... Good topic by the way.

Poor FF! Someone needs to get that girl married. Pronto! :mad: One minute she's hitting on old toothless men and the next it's five year old boys! :eek: Looks like little sister likes to stay safe.

^^ Adopt? Surely you mean foster? :rolleyes: (I'm getting there first before any of the others do)

lol@India. Way to miss my point, walal

EDITED. POINT MADE.

^^^^ Aaaamiiiiiin. Samir eyo iimaaan, saaxib.

^^^ This thread is making me take my words back! I was wrong about you, saaxib. Apologies. Seeing that I've just apologised twice already on this very short thread, I hope Baashi will excuse me if I don't comment on the points he raised. The one point I’ll address though, is my use of the phrase “greater Somaliaâ€. On that occasion, I meant the old republic and not the romantic concept of all the lands in which Somalis reside.

Originally posted by Alle-ubaahne: ehehehehehe, that is funny, indeed. So you grew up in Arabia! Very interesting. Fiiri saaxiib, why do somalis who were raised in Arab countries have always the tendency to intermingle suddenly with the whites and come up this western-wanna-be attitude? Walaahi been makuu sheegaayo, I see the worst somalis are those who grew up in Arabia because they whole-heartedly assimilate to the western cultures! Am talking about a large disproportional number of born in arab or influenced somalis. I read this book, the autobiography of Edward Said, a palestinian thinker, written by a western educated somali scholar of Arabian background. The first thing you can detect of his writtings is the love affair he has with the western culture. I wonder why this excessive inclination towards western culture exists with somali arabs and not others. Does this inferiority reflects the treatments of real arab experiences? tell me saaxiib, walaahi am very amazed how simple our people of arabian backgrounds are. Somalians are known for one thing: superior resistance of other cultures. I don't hate Arabs, and have no any problem with Arabs, i.e. the muslim arabs, but I don't like following their culture. We have Islam in common, and also certain cultural similarities. But I think its part of the compelled assimilations that many of your fellow arab-influenced folks had inherited which follows in the same trend when they arrive in western territories. Saaxiib, you finally disclosed yourself, and that draws me some laughter, lol. By the way, I don't want to perpetuate this criticism-like observations, but since you are like my brother, please revive your Somalinimo and be couragious enough to develop the typical superior self-confidence that were attributed to us, as sociaty. Ok, Mr. NGONGE, Professor of Everything. Its all about to remind your fading esteem and long-forgotten somali culture. Nabadeey Still waffling? You, sir, are a fraud; a class “A†fraud. You espouse and adopt beliefs and ideas that you know NOTHING about. Your minuscule knowledge of your faith is most dangerous. It’s the type that leads people astray. You mistakenly believe that by declaring any lenient looking statements as unislmaic and deviant you’re doing your faith a service, oh how little you know! You sir, are an impostor, a charlatan, a fake. You have the ability to use a computer, the ability to find the letters around the keyboard, the ability to construct comprehensible sentences but you don’t seem to have the ability to read and understand. You don’t have the ability to THINK. You carry a “do†and “don’t†list that you tick off as you read any piece written by anyone, the minute you see a word from your “don’t†list, you shut you mind (if mind it could be called) and stick your hands in your ears. You respond with irrelevant pieces about this western infamy! Your counterfeit knowledge shines through all your posts, saaxib. When pinned down, you evade the questions with child-like assumptions and postulations! Are your arguments so weak that you can’t back them up with proofs and corroborations? Is your position so fragile that you can’t stick with one line of reasoning and carry it through? The Golden rules of this site ORDER us to criticise ideas not people. In your case, the idea and the person are the same, pathetic. I’m conducting a character assassination exercise here. I’m performing an exorcism (yes, it’s a Christian phrase, wail away saaxib). We need to banish this horrid ghost that seems to have possessed you. We need to bring the real YOU out, saaxib. This depressing excuse of an intellect has to be extinguished. Come back to us, saaxib. Fight this virus away! Does the above sound bad? Did it hit a nerve or is it an unnecessary and pointless rant? Am I making far too many assumptions about you? Is this leading anywhere? On this occasion, and this once only, I’m going to do the work for you. Yes, I think it does sound bad. Yes, I’m certain that I’ve hit a nerve and no I don’t think it’s an unnecessary rant. I also don’t think I’m making any assumptions at all; if anything it’s more of an educated guess! Now, let us talk about where this is leading! I’ve noticed (in your replies to me and others) that you have a way with random statements. You spew an infinite number of such statements and never back them up with any reason or sound argument. You apply this method to every debate you take part in and never make your position, beliefs and principles clear. You criticise the words of others but you NEVER stand still and uphold your own words. You question the FAITH of others but never let your own faith shine through. This is a sluggish way to conduct any sort of debate. This is unacceptable from someone with your (at least to my eyes) intelligence. This has to be corrected (with or without your consent). For if you ever choose to engage in serious debates, you always have to remember that your fellow Nomads are not going to let you in if they so much as sniff a tiny bit of weakness or nonsense. These discussions are not the usual drivel you see in other parts about the best-looking Somali or the casual affairs of the heart. These are very meaningful debates that require, expect and demand of the contributors some seriousness, honesty and COMPREHENSION. Arbitrary, passing and fleeting comments are not taken lightly (I speak for myself here). If you (or anyone else) are not capable of engaging in these debates and backing your arguments, you’re better off taking a back seat and viewing the discussions as they unfold. Do not come in if you’re not up to the task. Do not question, ridicule or mock if you’re not prepared to PROVE why you’re doing so. Do not flog the “ waxa la yedhi†ritual on here, tell us who, why and when it was said, done or suggested. I could have easily ignored your comments and carried on talking about integration and assimilation. I could have quoted every word you wrote and dissected them one by one. I could have chased you around these parts for weeks to come and kept you on the defensive throughout or simply drove you out of this site. I say I could have and I still would! However, like I said earlier, I see signs of intelligence in your words, saaxib. I KNOW you can do better than this. I beg, plead and implore you to cast off this blasé attitude of yours and take a moment to THINK before penning any future replies to any debates on this section.

Oh, you’re waffling again and talking about my “western†values. I’ve given you the opportunity to clear your points and prove your argument but you didn’t oblige. You instead, came back with some rhetoric about it being the “opinion†of the majority of Muslims. Where are your proofs for such an opinion? Why should I take your meaningless words for it? Saaxib, if you’re going to criticise the words of others, make sure you come laden with proofs and refutations. Brushing aside my words as being “brainwashed†and influenced by western culture is insulting and idiotic. To try and qualify it with empty words about “respect†is not enough. Put up or shut up, saaxib. Not wanting to get in the way of your tried and tested method of passing judgment on others, let me tell you that if I was influenced by any cultures or am guilty of following any views, then those would be the views of the Arabs! Whom I’ve spent most of my life amongst. But, like I said, don’t let that little bit of information change your absolute conviction, O fount of all knowledge. Now, care to get serious and give us your real views on this whole thread? I’m not going to let you go until you finally start to communicate in an acceptable manner, you see. You’re already articulate and fluent enough, so there is no excuse for your shabby and half-witted contributions. :mad: Give it another try. I hereby dare you to answer all my questions without making one single assumption, but, rather address the points made and contribute with “healthy†and complete arguments of your own. Think you can do that? Don’t worry, I’ll help you along if the need arises (as it invariably will).

^^^ Heh. Let me make one thing clear here, saaxib. I am no advocate of a greater Somalia. To me the whole discussion is pointless. I also I’m not much of a great fan of Somaliland. If either does happen or take place then fine; great news for those that wanted it. I don’t live there and, frankly, it does not change anything in my life style. Being a Somali however (Somalilander to be exact), the welfare of my people does concern me. I was born in Burco and for the few months that I lived there and managed to sample the sweet and aromatic air of that city, I believe to have earned the right to call myself a Somali (lander). I will not go to the trouble of using my tribal lineage as proof of my citizenship (but oh, what a lineage it is). Nonetheless, this does not concern my loyalties or views on the political front. This was purely a comment on the Somali (lander or otherwise) habit of exaggerating and inflating achievements. Yes, Somaliland has done well. Yes there is some form of democracy, security and order. Yes, the people are content. I really could go on and on about how great the place is. However, this does not contradict the fact that there are awesome problems yet to be solved or overcome. Let us be honest with each other, saaxib. The place is a tip! No matter how much it’s decorated with all sorts of things, it still remains a dump. I agree that it used to be worse than this and that the people have worked very hard to improve things. I acknowledge their hard work and applaud the improvements made too. However, so far, and judging by what’s to be found on the ground, it is still a mess. I don’t mean to insult the place with these words of mine, I don’t mean to upset you (inadeer ), I just tell it as I see it and as I’ve found out when I’ve asked people. Note that my reply was not directed at Somaliland alone. If anything, Puntland is the one I should have gone for. After all, our Puntland Nomads never waste an opportunity to tell us how great that place is. So much so, that I often find myself dreaming about the Bosaso skyscrapers and the Growe Metro system! Humbug I say! Donkey’s backside! Total and utter twaddle! Maybe I’m aiming for something more than simple peace and a corrupt but functioning government. Maybe I’m asking people to run before they can walk! Maybe I’m being unreasonable. I just can’t help being sceptical about the place when all I read and hear are songs of praise and no complaints. This place is in Africa after all, surely there is some slight problem that’s keeping people awake, saaxib! Why don’t I ever hear about the work done to improve the lives of the most needy of people? Why is it always self-praise? Why should I take the idiotic boasts about Hargeisa’s one functioning traffic light seriously? (This is a made up example, so don’t worry yourself about posting any photos). Somehow, I don’t think you’ll ever see where I’m coming from and what I’m asking for here. Like all the other Somalis, you seem to be too protective of the place and take criticism as a complete denial of the state of Somaliland (change it to Somalia, Puntland or whatever, depending on your preference). As for the issue of recognition, it’s what I read in most Somaliland websites! It seems to be the overwhelming goal of the government. It’s not something I made up, saaxib. Fyr-Kanten, Thank you for the clarification, brother. I take all I said about her back.

I really am not sure how to take this post of yours, saaxib. You are not telling me what your problem is here. You’re just nit-picking my words and choosing the bits that you can putdown! Fine, do that; tell me that I’m following my “desiresâ€. But, practise what you preach and give me YOUR authentic proofs to show how I am doing so. Don’t tell me what YOU think, tell me what YOU know, saaxib. Give me your proofs (see how tedious this game can be?). You see; there is a simple formula to follow in a “debateâ€, brother. I say something; you disagree with it; YOU explain your disagreements with proofs. As simple as one, two, three! So far, all you’ve done is dance around my words, show your indignations and hint darkly about the weakness of my faith! It really is not good enough and quite offensive. Had I found a bit of doubt, indecision or room for manoeuvre with your replies (all of your replies on this thread), I would have continued on with the discussion. However, I don’t see any signs of a “maybe†there, your words are final. There is total conviction on your absolute correctness! At first, I thought it might have been an unfortunate choice of words. The second time I saw it, I blamed it on anger! Now, I’m not sure what to make of it and how to DEBATE with someone who seems to have made his mind about the subject and those he’s debating with! If you are genuine in your participation in this thread, then, please, post something worthy of a reply and discussion. Don’t nitpick on simple words such as criticise and blaspheme (words that don‘t make a difference to the thrust of my argument by the way)! Don’t be lazy! Share the burden. State your argument clearly and quit this bad habit of yours of hitching a ride on other people’s points. Do you believe that any non-believer living in a non-believing land that insults Islam should be killed? Is this your personal view or the Islamic one? Do you have proof? Can you carry your argument without clutching at whatever little straws I’ve left behind for you to pick up? (I know I say this all the time, but TAKE YOUR TIME).

:rolleyes:

Don't let Al Naser football club fans hear your refer to thier team as Al Ain, saaxib.

nafta, When a large group of people frequent the same site, the owner of the site has to create an atmosphere where all will flourish and feel comfortable. Writing Somali in all the forums was counterproductive because it excluded the majority of the members of this site. I’m not talking simple Somali here: waxa la yedhi eyo la ma odhan! I’m talking about the type of Somali that you now find in the “Dood Wanag†section. Most people can speak, write and communicate in Somali, but not all are on the same level. Can you post something in the “Deel-Qaf†thread for example? How many Nomads who consider themselves fluent Somali speakers can? Wouldn’t you think it’s better to have an entire section dedicated to such topics rather than having all the good Somali-written topics buried under dozens of pointless English ones? If you’re going to write down your thoughts in Somali, you do so expecting someone to read them and maybe even comment on them. You are targeting a certain audience. Well, now you know where to find such an audience and they know where to find you. Still, this post of yours reminds me of one of those old black and white slapstick court movies; when the verdict was announced and the jury were shuffling off back to their homes, the snoozing lawyer jumped up shouting “I objectâ€. PS I remember sitting next to an Indian guy on a bus once. He turned round and started staring at me. He then looked straight ahead. I was puzzled! Why was this “barees-cun†looking at me in such a way? Damn timo jilic! I was offended (I was young back then). I kept on staring at him hoping that he’ll stare back and say something. I was ready for him to say anything that will give me a chance to punch his lights out. I knew he was aware of my gaze. He slowly turned his head around, looked at me and said “ maxad naga eegaysa?†Completely caught me by surprise and disarmed me! There was no trace of an accent in his words; the man spoke perfect Somali. He later told me that he grew up in Berbara and still had many Somali friends. I told him (laughingly) that he was more Somali than I am; he said something about my forehead and went on to give me a long lecture about what it is to be a Somali!

Originally posted by opinionated: JamaaL...disgraced or not..he can still write! read: Honour among theives Oh, the irony! (This was in relation to Lord Archer)

^^^ What is PALTALK?

yabaaal baa.....yabaaal baa...yabaaal baa laba es jicil..kala yaaaciyeee..kala yaaaciyeee..dhish dhax.. Gabadho horta maxay ka cadhootay? Ma en odey lagu sheegay? Cajiib! Malin walba odey ba la ego sheega anoon bakoorad ama comaamad xidhan..es daji huuno malab..la tawarwir wala ta nax nax bu ku yedhi NGONGE dhagacas.

Nice little article. Don’t doubt her sincerity or the fact that all of this is true. Can’t really say she added anything new there though. What she’s basically saying is that Somaliland is no different to Somalia, Djibouti or even some remote parts of Guatemala! You see; I don’t really like people like this Yvette lady. Most articles she writs; she spends on praising the greatness of Somaliland! When a citizen of Somaliland does that, it’s understandable, he’s drunk with the euphoria of patriotism. Besides, it’s the done thing with most Somalias to praise and inflate everything. However, when a lady like her does that, I start to despair. I’m by no means anti Somaliland; I’m undecided as yet; erring slightly on the pro. The reason I despair when I read pieces written by non-Somalis (somalilanders), is because I at least (naively) expected them to address the areas our fellow Somalis conveniently forget to mention or neglect. It might be argued that HOPE is good and that by exaggerating all the achievements of Somalia/Somaliland/Puntland we sustain people’s hopes and assure them (and ourselves) of better things to come! Not a bad view to have for us outside Somalia. However, for those living the “dream†it’s the worst view they could ever have. It encourages laziness and lethargy. It tells them that most of the work is done and they needn’t worry about anything anymore. For Somaliland, the one overwhelming thought is of RECOGNITION. Everything else is ok; Hargeisa is an international capital that can rival any other; Berbera is the Jewel of the Red Sea; Burco is the Chicago of Africa! Puntland has its own cities that receive similar acclaim (if not more); the rest of Somalia follows the same pattern. The new overwhelming thought for these parts of course, is the new government and how it will finally bring security to the country and bring it back up from the gutter. Now, while Somalis are all busy having these sweet dreams (which, incidentally, I hope will soon become reality for all), why isn’t people like Yvette talking about the poor, hungry, mad, disabled and drug-riddled? Why is she falling for and propagating the same rhetoric?