There goes another random hadeeth! Better cry in silence, boys. Kashafa, Are you going to send me that virus or what? Your threats are endless. What was that about manhoods now? A manly-man, huh? I am not being fair on you, kids. I really can’t help having a pop every time I come across one of your pathetic weeping threads. Ok, I will try really hard to ignore you all and let you blubber in peace. Don’t call me, I’ll call you..

^^^^ Get over yourself, saaxib.

Somaliland Interior Minister Ishmael Aden said on Friday that police had arrested "an internationally known", Afghan-trained leader of Osama bin Ladin's network along with a second al-Qaida member after an overnight shootout in the capital Hargeisa. "We have captured two members of al-Qaida and about four others fled the area," he said. "Their leader, who was among those we arrested, is an internationally known fighter for al-Qaida who has been in Pakistan and Afghanistan." He and other officials declined to name either suspect for security reasons but Aden said he planned to call a news conference on Saturday to announce details of the operation, including the identities of those arrested. Not much to expand on, saaxib. His comments sounded a little too vague. Still, as long as no innocents died in the cross fire.....

^^^ You’re quoting the bible there, you know. I’ll let you off this time, must be the tears. I prefer not to discuss my family on this website, son. I can’t stop you from making your own speculations though. For my own information and amusement I thought about asking you the same question (hypothetical of course, son) but then I worried that such an imaginary scenario might be too much for your sensitive nerves. And you might send me that virus after all for daring to pose such tasteless questions about your unborn child. So, I shall not ask. Anyway, we’re hijacking the topic here. There are people trying to view the photo of the toilet and weep in peace. Until next time...

And there I was getting worried that you might be thick enough to send me a virus in retaliation. Heh. Can someone else please do me a favour and act outraged on my behalf? I can’t keep a straight face long enough to pretend that those ‘cutting’ words got to me. You disappoint me, son, I really thought we were making progress there. PS It was no mistake, son.

An internationally known fighter that they refuse to name because of security concerns! Is this genuine or just a cynical attempt to advertise the elections? After all, nothing catches the world media’s attention like the arrest of a senior Al Qaida operative (could it be Osama himself?). They almost sound as bad as London’s police force.

^^^ Or else? Come on, son. Give it to me. Break through that wall.

Evidently not! Ok. Carry on. I shall go and pester someone else now.

^^^ You’re always on the verge of blubbering over one thing or another, aren’t you? Did the photo of the toilet really make you burst into tears? Ah. Never mind. I’m sure someone will offer you a virtual hug. In future, try and do a Kashafa though. Rage, my son, rage. Don’t whimper.

Originally posted by Kashafa: quote:The child got raped in a toilet! A damn toilet! The poor child would have overcome this ordeal much quicker had the attack taken place in the honeymoon penthouse in the local Sheraton Hotel. It's that kinda irreverent sarcasm that gets you in trouble. You wanna comment on what you call "shameless sensationalising", write a damn article on it. Using the boy's plight to get your point across is beyond callous. It’s reactions such as yours that make me plunge the knife of ridicule further into this pointless injury of pretentious grief. Rage with me, boy, rage with me. Of course, you can also learn to rise above the provocative details and instead develop the skill to skim through statements and dwell on the points being made. Could you possibly make that leap, son? The bore using the plight of the child to get his point across is the one that accompanied the article with a photo of the toilet, solecistic Kashafa. As the war-cry goes: CEEB, CEEB, CEEB At least you’ve been paying attention. This is good. There is hope for us still.

The child got raped in a toilet! A damn toilet! The poor child would have overcome this ordeal much quicker had the attack taken place in the honeymoon penthouse in the local Sheraton Hotel. Here is a photo of the ugly scene of the crime. Sad story, shameless sensationalising.

Sorry, Baashe. But, I’m not having that argument. It is with all due respect yet another lazy line of reasoning. Get your scales out; we’re going to do some weighing here. In fact, I am finally going to show you what a spade looks like. You saw my disagreement with Nur above. I can still see that he’s stuck on his conspiracy theories, but I also know that Nur is a reasonable man and that sooner or later my argument will get through to him. Still, in this thread, I could have posted my final reply in the form of a verse from the Quran! There are far too many to choose from. I could have used Khayer’s choice (whims can be applied to all). I could have chosen a line or two about hypocrisy or hypocrites. I could have posted a couple of verses talking about Iman and Islam (making sure that anyone reading it will get the insinuation that I don’t rate so and so’s Iman very highly). To show that it’s best that we ‘agree to disagree’, I could have used the verses from Surat al Kafiroon ( To you be your religion, and to me my religion)! Could you argue with me then? It’s all in the way you understand it, right? What is vexing is that all this takes place in a discussion board where people that can’t read get all worked up with sentences such as “there is a problem with Islam†or “the trouble with Islamâ€! They shout and scream for clarifications, explanations and repentance. Under no circumstances, their argument goes, should one utter the words “there is a problem with Islamâ€. If you can get angry over such simple words being used in such a way, HOW DARE YOU not get upset when the holiest of holy words are nonchalantly posted into every topic with no explanation or argument? What is the scale being used here? Saaxib, the posting of random verses should not be encouraged if they can be read (or understood) in a different way (and those verses were read in a very different way, not by me alone). It should not be encouraged if the person posting them hardly understands them (and Khayer demonstrates time and again that his Islamic knowledge is minuscule). This is not simply a matter of a difference of opinion; this is a matter of Islamic etiquette. It’s not MY CHOICE or invention, it is what EVERY scholar would recommend and demand. I know you try to see ‘the other side’ of the argument here and expect me to also see that. However, there is no other side to this argument. One is either duplicitous or not. One is either intellectually very lazy or not. One is either a fence sitter or not. Now, you see what I just wrote above? THAT IS A SPADE. You see what Khayer wrote? THAT IS A SPADE. You see what Johnny B and Castro wrote (here and in other threads) THAT IS A SPADE. You either call it every time you see it or you let it go and admit that it is an open for all forum. If Kahyer can abuse the verses and ahadeeth in the way he does (and get away with it) Castro can be a fan of homosexuality (and never be picked up on it). Not that I am saying Castro is a fan of homosexuality. Or Rushdie can write books insulting Islam and be let free to do and say what he likes. One has to apply some sort of scale to these things. Right now, it all looks very random! Conviction without contemplation is a sorry fix.

^^^^Welcome back, fraudster. The quality of agitators has not been the same ever since you left the site. Many have attempted to recreate your rage-filled posts and impulsive pronouncement. Alas every last one of them failed to reach the great heights that you regularly and effortlessly used to reach. You’ll be glad to hear that I personally approached the admin and, generously, offered to volunteer as a moderator (for one week only). He, wisely I thought, politely declined and turned down the chance of rubbing this particular lion’s nose. Must have been my roar methinks. So, for now at least, you’re safe from my Mary Whitehouse-like-whip, saaxib.

^^^ First appearances can be deceptive. There is plenty of benefit in this thread. The argument of ‘odayal squabbling’ that you and Seven of Nine are talking about is merely the noise that a machine makes as it whirls around and does its work. The older the machine, the louder the noise. Do not worry about it and practise skim reading. Roob, I will not accuse you of not being able to read in case it upsets you. I will not even bite that bait you’ve dangled in front of me and go into one of my usual rants. I’ll simply ask you to go back and read my exchanges with Nur (and Baashe) on this thread. If you still insist on your idea, I still would not say that you can’t read, but I will not waste my time and yours by having any discussions with you (the like minded people comment).

Can I be the first to protest at the choice of new moderators please. Rudy is the wrong man for the joke section. I don’t think many people would get the punch line. His is more poetry than humour. The choices for politics and Dood wanaag are far too sensible. Juma and Duke for the first & FF (she can’t speak Somali) for the second would have been more interesting. It’s not enough that the Chinese guy had monopolised the women of the site, now he’s got the power too! Doom, doom. Shehrazad will try to be too fair until she ends up writing nothing at all. I still think that Ameenah was the best ever moderator on this site, EVER (and it has nothing at all with her being my ayaayo. Nothing at all). :cool:

Just got back from the gym having let out lots of steam. The testosterone has been regulated and the senses are calm. Baashe, You say: Ngonge, I don’t see anything wrong with Khayr’s post. For crying out loud the man has only posted Qur’anuc verses. Where has Khayr gone wrong saaxiib? You also said: Amigo Castro has yet to acknowledge, in practice (virtual), the care and foresight these kinda topics need Now, correct me if I am wrong, but would you not consider the abuse and impulsive use of Qur’anuc verses a more alarming offence than all that Castro could ever be accused of? What do the verses he (Khayer) used insinuate? Are they correct or is he making an assumption? Who here has confessed to worshipping their own desires? Does Castro own a hidden stone (I own none)? I am more than happy to throw a couple of lines from a poem into a discussion. You do too and so does Xiin (and many others). We know it’s simply a poem and even if we used it out of context it really is not the biggest of felonies. Verses of the Quran are not like lines from a poem. They should not be cited in every topic (and certainly not in the way that Khayer and others use them). How can you not see the wrong in that when you yourself do not do the same? This is a quote from you in another topic: FYI there is an ayah in the Qur’an that commands the faithful to obey whatever the prophet asks them to do and vice versa. It goes like this: Maa aataakumu rasuulu fakhuthuuhu, wamaa nahaa cankunm fantahuu. Nomads plz correct me and if you would please find the chapter and verse numbers for SB. Allahu Yaclam. Why did you not do what Khayr did and just post the verses without any caveats or qualifications? After all, for crying out loud, you’ll only be posting Qur’anuc verses (ironically enough, yours was even more relevant and answering a direct question). What is the more serious issue, Baashe?

I can't see what Castro did wrong there to deserve all this nonsense from you guys. Xiin, says he disrupts topics! 99% of the kids on this site disrupt topics, Xiin. Have you read some of Kashafa’s nonsense? At least Castro tries to make it interesting. Baashe says he does not show respect for the faith. Have a look at Khayer’s last reply, sensitive Baashe. THAT is what I call not showing respect to the faith. What did what he just wrote mean? Is it correct? In the right context? Does he know what he’s talking about? In this topic at least, I think you’re being unfair to Castro. So much for calling a spade a spade.

Nur, I agree with all seven points. However, I choose not to pay attention to numbers 4, 5 and 7. I can see where you’re heading with these arguments. I understand the arguments. I even (hush hush) sometimes, wonder, ponder and speculate on the truthfulness of such arguments. However, in my observations of people using this forum, I believe that not many are equipped enough to understand that dangerous argument. I’d rather you preached, spoke about and insisted on the basics instead of the ‘philosophical’ here. You see, Nur, it might be ok for you, but for many others an obsession with conspiracy theories ends up becoming just that. The faith, the reason for entertaining these conspiracy theories and the consequences become secondary. The conspiracy theory becomes the goal. That then is followed by hatred (thoughtless hatred) and unfounded allegations (as are conspiracy theories if you had not noticed). You might have been well read and sensible enough to distinguish between a conspiracy theory and an unreasonable hate. You probably can reconcile such thoughts and ideas with your other Dacwa work (but, not everyone is you). Surely, you can see how harmful these issues of conspiracy theories are! I refuse to believe that you don’t read exchanges, opinions and threads on this site. I really doubt that you just post your own topics and move on. You must have read all the nonsensical threads, seen the unbelievable opinions and noted the harmful trends. In such an environment and with such an audience, a topic like this one is most inappropriate. When bravado and ignorance meet hope is lost, saaxib. Here, with my respect to all readers, ignorance (when it comes to Islamic attitudes) reigns supreme. A thread full of bravado is not going to be much help. One that jumps into the intricate and confusing world of conspiracy theories is even worse. I attempt to avoid mixing politics with faith. Not because I believe in the separation of the religion and the state. But, because I would not want to confuse others and myself by applying it. My knowledge of politics (which is easy) is more advanced than that of my faith. Regardless of how hard I would try, the stronger subject is more likely to dominate my arguments and I might, just might bend the weaker subject to fit in with some political hypothesis I have. I’m rambling here but hope that you get my point.

Your sad plea got to me and I was forced to add my vote too. While I was there, I saw this: Johnny B: Add to Your Ignore List | Add to Your Buddy List How does the above work, saaxib? Will it stop me from receiving private messages from you or does it mean that I can ignore your posts?

Xiin I don’t recall wanting to reform Islam, saaxib. Still, if it makes you happy to believe that I did, so be it. The Nomad above as you accurately suspected displayed signs of talking utter and pure humbug. He believes that Sharia law is outdated, yet, as he demonstrated in this argument with you, he does not understand the definition of Sharia law, nor does he acknowledge the authenticity of its sources! The prophet, he claims, is a fallible man. Castro agrees with him on this. With Castro though it’s merely a play on words! Castro’s interpretation here is, if I understood it correctly, equal to the meaning of the word ‘mortal’. Though that is also a correct interpretation, it only confuses matters and departs from the original discussion into our favourite pastime of semantics. Now, to return to the topic in hand. The essence of Socod Badane’s argument is that state and religion should not mix (I wonder if his understanding of the 'state' is as good as that of 'sharia'?). He believes that Sharia law is outdated and needs ‘upgrading’. He admits that he knows nothing about Sharia law but still urges us to get rid of it! quote: Originally posted by Ducaqabe: With all due respect my friend, your knowledge of Sharia is limited. I know. But I'm judging it based on the results from where it was implemented by more learned ppl then me. Now, let us move from the trivial and uninformed into the interesting and educational. What is Sharia law? What are its sources? Xiin provided a link that gives a definition of Sharia law (would have been better if he had posted it really). Here, not even Socod Badane could claim to not know the meaning. Is it the Quran that people question? Is it possible to do so and remain Muslim? Is it the hadeeth? Did the same mouth not utter both? Is it possible to question authentic ahadeeth? Let us assume that such a thing is possible. What next? Islam being followed according to the Quran alone! How will it be understood and interpreted? Will each individual have his/her own way of reading it? How will it be Islam? Can one mix and match and still expect the same results? Socod Badane believes in the Pillars of Islam but does not believe in the Hadeeth! How does he suggest Muslims should pray? How Zakat should be paid? Will knowing the details of Ramadan be necessary? Without the guidance of the hadeeth, what criteria does he propose? Ijtehad? What skills should one have to interpret the Quran? Would you need to be able to read Arabic or does a simple translation sound ok? Socod Badane accepts that these Ahadeeth are authentic but argues that they might not be true! This makes one wonder if he understands the ‘science’ of Hadeeth! He cites the rejection of some weak ahadeeth as evidence of his argument. The cheek! It’s very late now and this area of discussion would take a lot of my time if I were to attempt to write on it. What I will recommend is that Socod Badane (or any that doubt the validity of hadeeth) read up on the subject and find out the criteria that were used to accept some ahadeeth and reject some. There was a lot more scrutinising than the simple ‘I don’t like the look of this hadeeth’ methodology that Socod is using. The third source used by Sharia is the consensus of the scholars. Surely this, at least, is where the Sharia detractors should be in total agreement! The scholars would have applied experience, reason and logic to arrive at their verdicts. What sane person could refuse that? Even if one refuses, one will still have to come up with a better alternative. Surely, a reasonable, logical and just alternative is not likely to be refused by the scholars (and if it is, they’ll have a very good reason for doing so). The final source is the qiyas. Again, that too relies on reason and common sense. Could the critics of Sharia law go against common sense? Isn’t that what they’re after in the first place? It seems to me that two of those sources are articles of faith that no person claiming to be a Muslim can deny and remain (at least in the traditional sense) a Muslim. The other two sources are issues of consensus and comparison and here too, one can’t imagine any sane, normal and rational person rejecting these methods. One can speculate as to the reasons for such assaults on Sharia laws. One can point the finger at conspiracy theories, hidden enemies and weak Muslims. None of those really matter though. Islam will always be attacked, always be misinterpreted (by those within and those without) and always be resisted. It will, nonetheless, carry on as it did for the past 1400 years. The only point of contention is how many will it keep in its folds as time moves on? How many will trip over every time Islam is attacked? Many of us find Socod Badane’s ignorant (don’t get too upset, Socod. It was by your own admittance) rejection of the hadeeth irritating, annoying and very offensive. However, such views are only allowed to spread because they’re hardly ever tackled or challenged. The boy clearly demonstrates that he’s not a charlatan. For charlatans are cunning and skilful in the subjects they discuss. This one is leaving himself open to ridicule by admitting his ignorance! A western mannequin? PS I wrote this in a hurry and might revise it in the morning.

Nur, There is so much wrong with your last reply that I’m forced to deal with it one sentence at a time (by the way, that’s a very wearisome way to conduct a discussion). You say: Stereotypical description of people is your forte and trademark on this forum bro. No one is contending against you in that sport here, its when it comes to discussing with you principles in depth that i see nothing between me and the ocean waves. Let us not play the 'principles' game here. This piece was nothing but a 'feel good' piece that had no substance at all. I repeat, I never had you down as a rabble-rouser. A well deserved bravado, its not for Ngonge nor for Nur, its for Allah, You know, its His faith and we are His slaves?, not slaves for the west, as some house niggers have us believe ( during Slavery, house niggeres where treated better than farm niggers ). You see a conspiracy theory in every corner. Could I be in the pay of George Bush just so that I can pester the Great Nur? What is an Uncle Tom in an Islamic context? Nur, do you think, as a result of my written words on this forum that I’m going to get offered some highly paid position as a ‘reformer’ of Islam? Is it a sadistic fetish of mine? What in the world prompted you to come up with the house nigger analogy? This piece was below your usual standards, saaxib. Which is why I said that I never considered you a demagogue prior to reading that. Do you just want to take offence for the sake of taking offence, saaxib? Reading your responses, I vote for your uncontested negative attitude toward the faith you belong to, and the faithful, mockery of Muslims is safe game from the perespective and shelter of a western adress, but it will not avail you the responsibility, cursing darkness is not a good idea, why not light a candle bro. I have yet to read a sesnsible alternative suggested by you to advance Islam or to solve its current problems, if you did, please bring it to my attention, i take my observation back. I admire the way you’re asking me to ‘light a candle’ instead of cursing the darkness. I think you and I understand the word ‘sensible’ differently. Is it not sensible to expect you to deal with what you know instead of fighting the windmills of conspiracy? Is it not sensible to advice you to avoid the trap of duplicity? Is it not sensible to insist that you refute instead of brushing aside? Is it not sensible to demand that you show, demonstrate and display your knowledge instead of your assumptions? What would you deem sensible, saaxib? (The ‘you’ there is plural). As usual, you are becoming vey predictable, what Muslims say is always a hogwash, but when agnostics talk or insult Islam, its a diferent perspective, and we must reason with them, different strokes for different folks. Come, come, Nur. Such petulance does not become you. What Muslims say is not hogwash, what you wrote above IS. I needn't go back and explain why I think it is so. When agnostics insult Islam and question its tenets, you HAVE to refute their allegations and reason (if we must use such a word) with them. When you do, you do it exactly for the same audience that you wrote this piece for. Or is it easier to wave the flag and promote the cause but not to argue, explain and show the strength and righteousness of the cause? Dont be so shallow Ngonge, you are lettig me down again bro, where in my write ups have you ever seen me suggesting short trousers and beards? not that I am belittling like you, but that i have made it my vocation to focus on issues that are priority for the Ummah, go back and read my e-Nuri messages, and be objective, you can shine without putting people down, if you are sincere to Allah alone, I am sure that you get my drift. I get your drift and don’t like the sound of it. Did you get MY drift? Maybe the next quote will do it. very elequent Ngonge, an Islamic Maniquin? wow, is she in Hijaab? since you are too quick to point finger at any suggestion contrary to your views, can you for once show the living example of Islam? better yet, of the thousand posts I posted on this forum, is there any post that you deemed that can qualify to have some life in it? if yes, I would like you to tell us the criteria of a message with a soul and spirit, I am bit confused brother, and I am sure that you will be rewrded for it. Now, my here is my own definition of lifeless messages is as follows: any message that lacks sincerity and devotion to Allah alone, or any message that caters to please other than Allah is shallow, we are living by virtue of our adherence to Allahs law, the ONLY right law on earth, His earth, and His peeople. Heh. There you go again with your assumptions. It’s quite lucky that your judgment of me makes no difference. My sincerity or devotion is not what’s in question here. I mock such nonsense and am surprised that you’re writing it now! Maybe I pushed the wrong buttons here and got you to write that. I apologise for this. It is not a healthy discussion, don’t you agree? You do me a disservice by misunderstanding me though, Nur. The Islamic mannequins were not in reference to your words. If you were patient enough and read the following sentences you would have noticed that I clearly showed my surprise and dismay at this new style of writing. I warned you that such threads encourage the spread of Islamic mannequins (I did not call them Islamic mannequins). I knew it coming, this is your example of the lifeless Islamic Manaquin, The Islamic fake glory and History, defenitely inappropriate because it can brainwash Muslim kids to believe that they had a shining past, and that it is very scary for our friends because they cant stand a good example to compete in the world of beliefs and ideas, it can possibly revive Islam again, a danger indeed. So, the great minds like yours only subscribe to the coincidence theory?, I am defenitely a half wit by your standards if there is no Conspiracy theory, may be I watch too much TV and movies to believe that they are real, like most simple minded Muslims out there, my problem is that I only see Islam as the only viable option, nothing but Islam, and all of it , no apologies period. How did you get all that from these words of mine? "Every half-wit can be trained on the spread of conspiracy theories. You were never the type for such nonsense and it’s shameful that you’ve now succumbed to such crude sabre rattling" Nur, do you have proof for such theories? If not, let it go and stop using it as a coat hanger for all that's wrong in the world. It can't be proven either way and to base all your arguments on it is POINTLESS. Besides, I did not call you a half-wit, saaxib. PS I subscribe to no theories. All is possible and one should not limit onself to one 'theory'. Here you are becoming wishy washy, you are contradicting your earlier statements that leveled unkind remarks on Muslims attempt to pick the pieces and move on. Contradicting? Wishy washy? Unkind remarks? All that because I said: "Islam does not need to ‘come’.Islam was always and shall forever remain here"? Your thread (other than the interesting historical bits) was pointless, saaxib. If stating the obvious was 'wishy-washy' you would be the world's top wishy washer (based on this thread alone - your other threads are almost ALL great). Brother, why copy what I said and present it as a new thing? remember that was the lifeless Manaquin you cmplained about? that was all I said, we need one Manaquin on this forum, not wannabees, be original brother. NO. IT. WAS. NOT. Brother, do not let your contempt for those striving in the way of Allah make you loose sight of what is right. Do you ever stop with the assumptions, saaxib? My contempt is for fakenss, for ignorance (and the encouragement of ignorance). My contempt is for duplicity, for artificial knowledge and for self-indulgence. You see Nur; I rant on about the beard-strokers, Hijab-adjusters and the like (though I promised someone not to use such terms anymore). I also mock the duplicitous people, the unwitting hypocrites and all the mullahs-come-lately. However, brother, you would not see me questioning any of their intentions. I genuinely believe that they all mean well. I can even see things from their point of view. Yet, I strongly disagree with the methods they adopt. I disagree with the methods you’re adopting in this thread and think them highly duplicitous. I will, if I may, extend you one piece of advice: rid yourself of the habit of conspiracy theory assumptions and second-guessing people’s intentions (you gain nothing from it). Fake Muslims are those who would like Islam to resemble Kufr ways of Life, anyone who ebcourages Islam to be diluted, its moral standards compromised, its basic Aqeedah confused or mocks at its people, to be made a hero by the western auduience is indeed a fake Muslim. One has to chose his camp, being all things to all people is being wortless. We’re finally playing to the gallery. Alas, you’re aiming your comments to those in the cheap back seats. The knowledgeable critics sit in the front, saaxib. This business of ‘being made a hero by the west’ is becoming an obsession of yours. Do you really rate SOL that highly? One has to choose his camp! The camp of Islam verses that of the West, right? Fair enough. However, are things that straightforward and easy? Does the Islamic camp stick to Islamic principles or does it allow itself to be eroded and diluted by all those distracting assumptions and conspiracy theories? If only things were that simplistic, we would not have had this disagreement, saaxib. The rabble-rouser returns. Brother, I am doing it now, with you, and I am sure that you can handle criticim gracefully, after I am done with this response, I would love to buy you a cup of Coffe for your troubles, our customer service believes that the most loyal customer to be an upset customer, if treated well at the end. I might get frustrated from time to time. I might use harsh words but I don’t hold grudges, saaxib. If we lived in the same town, I would insist on buying you that cup of coffee and bore the hell out of you with tales of duplicity and the subtle erosion of the faith. PS The poem was put there to attract your attention to the priorities, saaxib. This rabble-rousing thread was, if I’m being honest, an interesting read. However, it was simply a feel good thread with very little substance. Again, I hope you don’t take this to heart and assume that I’m attacking you personally, saaxib (I usually read all your threads and enjoy and agree with almost all of them. But, when you mix it with politics, you tend to slightly lose your way). PPS A couple of Nomads told me off in private for my confrontational style. I honestly did not realise it was that bad. I knew it was irritating and at times meant it to be so but didn’t think it was THAT bad. I shall, though it will be quite an effort, attempt to tune it down a little (the above post, as is obvious was not the start of my new benign era).

This is much better. Go on; fully dismantle Americanism and all it stands for. At least it’s educational and done from a principled position of strength.

^^^^ And there I was thinking I was not subtle enough. PS (I was being sarcastic)

Never had you down as a rabble-rouser, Nur. That article, with all due respect, was a load of empty bravado. As ever of course, I enjoyed the historical lesson and was awed by your religious knowledge. I suppose such demagogical speeches are needed every once in a while, to remind those with doubts in their faith that all is not lost and that Islam can withstand all that’s thrown its way. It’s a winning formula. Beat your chest, brag about the greatness of Islam, give a historical lesson or two and hope that the cracks wont be seen. What new information or arguments do you bring, Nur? The current raction fo the west about Islam's spread is predictable, the reaction of hypocrites who are materially benefiting from the present situation are aso becoming more vocal, specially on this forum, all of them showing their true colors in light of current events created and orchestrated to stop the spread of Islam as a viable world faith. What is so surprising is that Islam has beaten all other religions in terms of attracting believers, now, for the first time, Islam is a contender to take its rightful place, governing the people according to the law of their maker, but ouch! it hurts many, both "Mislims" and their non Muslim friends in the west. What does the above nonsense mean? You are being lazy again. Shake yourself out of autopilot and preach practical advice instead of this sensationalist humbug, saaxib. All that you’re saying there is that Islam is great and cannot be defeated. Quite a revelation that, you know! In another part, you instruct a Nomad to be a true Muslim in words and deeds! Well, that’s told her. You never explained what a true Muslim looks like though. Hang on, hang on: short trousers and big beard, right? Nur, ever been to a mall, saaxib? Notice how humanlike those manikins look? They have exactly the same body parts as normal humans, they’re dressed in human garb and look very impressive in the way they stand. However, if you look them in the eyes, you will notice that there is nothing there. It’s empty, vacant and blank. Such threads as this one, and messages as yours encourage the spread of Islamic manikins. Every child can be taught to regurgitate some historical lessons, saaxib. Every half-wit can be trained on the spread of conspiracy theories. You were never the type for such nonsense and it’s shameful that you’ve now succumbed to such crude sabre rattling. Islam does not need to ‘come’. Islam was always and shall forever remain here. America and the West in general, are merely today’s adversaries. They’re not the first and are unlikely to be the last. Yet, Islam has survived and will continue on surviving and reaching millions of people. This will not be as a result of your faulty rant above though. If anything, yours only goes to encourage the nonsensical ‘saved sects’ amongst us. Do you really mean it when you say: “we need to weeed out fake Muslimsâ€? On whose authority? Would it not be more beneficial and helpful if you attempted to educate the young, green and inexperienced Muslims on here? After all, you’ve clearly stated above that your E-Nuri entity aims to teach, enlighten and instruct. After reading your above article, I’m almost tempted to request a refund for my wasted time. Think it through, saaxib. You’ll get there eventually. Here, take a few words from Al Emam Al Shafici, saaxib: نعيب زماننا والعيـب Ùينـاوما لزماننا عيـب سوانـا ونهجوا ذا الزمان بغير ذنب٠ولو نطق الزمان لنا هجانـا وليس الذئب يأكل لحم ذئب٠ويأكل بعضنا بعضنا عيانـا How long ago was those lines written again?

^^^ If he’s a charlatan or fraud, others reading this are not. Rather than bow out, you should have played to the gallery, saaxib. Give me a few hours and I shall, Insha Allah, demonstrate (for I’ve given up on anyone here volunteering it).