Article 35: Extradition of Accused and Convicted Persons and Political Asylum 3. The Republic of Somaliland may extradite to their countries convicted or accused foreigners if there is a treaty between the Republic of Somaliland and the country requesting their extradition. http://www.somalilandlaw.com/

^^ You're 5.8 and Juxa dares to call ME short? :D

^^ Waliga ba!

^^ Travelling can't open an already closed mind, saaxib. Half of these guys live in areas where other communities live. Ask them how many freinds that are not Somali do they have or how many other cultures have they mixed in!

Yet you will get a girl that would not fit any of these Somali measurments of beauty being called the prettiest of all. "how?" I hear you ask. Err..jinn bay leedahay. Naga daaya dee.

^^ I didn't live in Saudi Arabia, saaxib. I lived in the UAE and no, I have never faced colour-related racism. I'm told that life in Saudi Arabia is great. Adigo horta what do you expect someone to say about a place they grew up in, saaxib? Do you really expect them to badmouth it in the style of an Alpha and the UK? Only an ungrateful nadil would do something like that warya.

Rahima;919635 wrote: Bingo Mario- my point exactly. We really are in a sad state of affairs if our 'PhD holders' have the same thinking as our illiterate countrymen/women. NG- there is a clear difference between acknowledging that some of our people are only concerned with the interests of their clan and actually defending it and/or voicing that opinion yourself. I don't believe any Somali person who has been awake for the last 20 years will deny that there are suspicions and fears (not sure how it can be genuine on your couch in the West) but we should be focused on the treatment of it not exacerbating the symptoms. My hat is firmly placed but I'm just glad that the people back home are not so concerned with clan. Baashi- I've obviously missed a bit in my absence . I'd love to see my people put somalinimo ahead of clan, inshallah one day soon. The people that invented the 4.5 system are not concerned with clan? Those that created the federal system alongside clan lines are not concerned with clan? Those that are protesting the president's meddling in the Kismaayo are not concerned with clan? Those that come out in open demonstrations every time they feel their clan is threatened are not concerned with clan? The examples are endless. As for your talk of treatment or exacerbating of symptoms, in both cases you will first have to acknowledge the existence of a disease Rahima. Somalia’s main problem (the disease if you will) today is one of clan conflict (I don’t know how many times I could repeat the same line). The only treatment is fairness to all and acknowledgment of all complaints. You will never manage to apply this treatment if you refuse to acknowledge the clan conflict and rather choose to blame it on opportunists or shady politicians. Clan is the refuge of ALL Somalis. It’s a fact. Baashi is brilliant. He’s forever creating diversions and red herrings! Again, all this detail that he’s focusing on is irrelevant. The issue on the lifting of the arms embargo is not a hypothetical question that the Somali government is thinking of doing, it is a fact. So all this nonsense about being opposed to this action until or unless the government recruits soldiers or builds big storage spaces is, again, nothing but a red herring. The government is demanding the lifting of the arms embargo which in turn means that the government believes it has the capacity (and support) to cope. The only protest here has been the one about the perception that this government plans to arm one clan. That’s the subject of this thread according to the article posted. In Somali politics clan is everything. It’s not something I convinced myself with, it’s something that Baashi actually introduced me to but he’s too humble to take the credit. p.s. The point you all keep missing on the “intellectual v geel jire” argument is that no such difference exists when it comes to the truth. They both agree that the sun is bright but the difference is that the geel jire may stop at that and the intellectual may share his knowledge and understanding about the reasons for the brightness of the sun. You don’t have to distance yourself from the truth just because an ignorant person happens to also admit it. That’s just pointless snobbery. Wax fahma.

oba hiloowlow;919448 wrote: tell me about your past life in wadamada carbeed? Have you ever been called, cabiid,aswad,cabdi,kelb and anta 7eywan? Is it true that saudi people and arab in general are really hateful towards non arabs especially Africans and asians?. Thank you for your time! // Imam Oba Imam Jeelow Ask a question in a proper way and I shall give you a detailed reply, saaxib. The only reply I can give to what you ask above is NO.

I can't hear what the guy is saying but his face tells the story. (wouldn't live within ten miles of that area, never mind doing THAT job).

First in, AGAIN! Morning all.

Mario B;919441 wrote: Isn't this the problem? a geel jire and a Phd holder sharing the same world view. Shouldn't we be expecting the later to be an 'enlightened man/woman' who sees the nuanced part of existence and believes that reality isn't black and white! But reality isn't black and white. Reality is that there IS clan conflict in Somalia. Something both the educated and uneducated know. Only those living in dreamland choose to brush it all under the carpet and pretend that no such things exist, saaxib.

^^ Suldaan nuune, A humble sister of ours wants to know the following: Malika;919380 wrote: What is the Somali perspective of 'jinn possession'? .

Malika;919385 wrote: ^You must have missed Ngonge's motto - 'Clan is Everything' .... Waxaa laa yiri - there is no difference between an illiterate geeljire to the phd holder of the Somali kind, kuli seem to have the same thinking process when it comes to Somali affairs...lol Oh I missed this one! Doesn't this thread (and others) prove the C is E rule, Malika? When a mad man breaks his legs, it will be crazy to start dealing with the greater issue of madness rather than the broken leg first. Wax fahan. p.s. On everyday issues, the geel jire and the phd holder are the same. The only difference is one can articualte his ideas better and the other can't.

^^ Knock what? I don't mind having bananas with my pudding, not my main meal.

^^ I agree. You just do it on the most banal topics.

^^ That's the best thing you could ever have, saaxib. Better than phones and other apps, the books of the world at your finger tips (seeing that this is the one commodity most needed in your part of the world). How did you get your hands on one?

I will support any Somali resturant that does not offer you a banana with your barees.

^^ I legitimise Xiin’s main point (not the noise that surrounds it) because he and those that share his point of view form an important part of Somalia. You see, Somalia would have not reached the point where real hope is finally detectable without talks and reconciliation (all the Garowe meetings and the London and Istanbul conferences, etc). In all these times and throughout that process it is inconceivable to suggest or think that major points of differences between the sides and clans have not been encountered and that there weren’t any hurdles or stumbling blocks. In fact, some would argue that the whole federal experiment was the result of clans wanting to see more equality and fairness in the Somali process. The embargo issue or that of looted houses falls into the same category. In other words, they are problems caused by the same mistrust and suspicion. So, although I would normally agree with your ideal world scenario, Somalia’s case is one of reality on the ground. The reality is that of 4.5 and federal states. It is one of collective agreements and compromise. Therefore, in order for the process to continue to bear fruit, one has to consider, accept and solve all problems and complaints that may arise, no matter how silly. Right now, some in the Somali arena are vociferously raising their doubts about the lifting of the arms embargo. Behind all the noise and confrontational language lays a genuine and present fear; the fear that the “others” are planning to arm themselves and go back to settling old scores. To simply say “don’t be silly” to someone who is afraid that you’re out to get him only makes him more suspicious and more boisterous. Wax fahan. p.s. Never mind you and your good reputation on SOL, have you ever seen Nin Yaban post in the political section? That’s the thing about politics though; a reputation that took several years to build can be destroyed in seconds. Keep your helmet on, Rahima. This is a dirty place.

^^ Because it's half term. SOL has lost those with the ability to express themselves in an intersting way (the last of thsoe was A&T and he's been missing for two full months).

^^ That's twice more than me anyway you lucky so and so.

^^ Still is miles better than a steal city accent you know. Haye, what's new? How many cumras have you done so far?

^^ What fence is that? I know it pains you that my uncle rules you but it is really nothing to do with me, saaxib. Just hang in there and hope that your lot can get their act together and win the next election. In fact, I dearly want them to win it (anyone but someoen from my clan really). It makes it easier to have pot shots at those in power you see.

First in, AGAIN (Malika doesnt' count). Morning all.

Rahima, I understand your position but still think it’s mistaken. There is nothing wrong with being an idealist; however, to become one (in the way you perceive the idea) you would need to distance yourself from all Somali political debate. For an idealist, the discussions of arms embargo, looted houses or clan fights are mere details that get in the way of their romanticised view of Somalia. These details don’t bother them, what they bother with instead are dreams of universal education, absolute justice and comprehensive healthcare (it’s the fantastic world of Chimera’s fluffy Somalia). In these political discussions (should one feel the need to take part in them) the fairest way to participate is when one is being objective. Of course, there is also nothing wrong with being biased (as Xiin is) if you believe in your cause. In your case, you make it clear that you are not rooting for your clan and that you despise opinions that are influenced by clannish leanings. That’s well and good. Alas, only by putting yourself in the shoes of those you disagree with could you be able to give a fair and impartial opinion on the subject. I don’t think you have because you keep going back to your hatred of clan politics (your clan or others). The problem though is that it is your clan that is being attacked in this thread (and that other one about houses) and your opposition (though I fully believe it to be genuine) comes across as an unwitting support of your own clan. When Somalia had a PL president, there was a lot of opposition to his actions. His supporters often used the phrase “they don’t want to see a functioning Somalia unless they were in charge”. All protests, opposition and genuine queries were attributed to “them” being in full opposition (in other words, being clannish). Today, the shoe is on the other foot and the “they” line is being used in exactly the same way. Still, there is a big difference between the current president and those before him (even the one that wasn’t from your clan). The difference being that Hassan Sheikh seems to have mastered the ability to ignore the noise and speak the language of appeasement. Of course, he made a mistake or two here and there but, overall; his spoken word has always been one of conciliation and olive branches. For example, where previous Somali presidents would have used the “they” line with Somaliland, he went all out to reassure, pledge and placate. He of course may renege on all that in the future but such language goes along way into building the needed bridges of trust and may, with time, convince people of the idea of a united Somalia. The same language and attitude is needed with those that suspect this government of planning to arm only one clan, etc. Finally, I still repeat that Baashe’s stuff up there is nothing but a red herring. It’s the eternal Somali habit of singing about ostriches when everyone else is singing about camels. Though the melody is sweet and tone faultless, make no mistake in thinking that he’s singing about anything there other than darn ostriches (there are seventeen thousand AMISOM troops in Somalia who keep this government going and will almost certainly be involved in any eventual lifting of the arms embargo when it comes to the minutiae and details). Wax fahan.

Rahima;918533 wrote: Because of this Mr. NG. You seemed to be insinuating that people are objecting to the questions themselves, so i thought i'd highlight what genuine questioning and objection look like. And there I was thinking you were making fun of Baashe's nonsense and accidently wrote my name instead of his! I did not at all insinuate what you think, Rahima. Read my words again (READ THE LAST LINE SLOWLY). Try to ignore the noise and deal with the issue in the title of the thread, Rahima. The noise here is the posturing that we see on this thread by Xiin, Liqye and many others or the red herring of Baashe. The topic is about the arms embargo and the questions related to it. Now please do not insult me by asking me to pay attention to talk of storage, materials and other minutiae. All this is irrelevant here. What's relevant is the main questions regarind the lifting of the arms embargo. REMEMBER, it is not a hypothical issue like the one that Baashe is talking about (or making it sound), it IS a fact that Somalia asked for the lifting of this embargo and some in the International Community support it in its quest. Is it then a big surprise to you that some will feel angry and smell a rat? A question is a question (genuine or not). You either deem it worthy of an answer or you don't. I believe that Xiin's questions were worthy of answers, even if I disagreed with Xiin's delivery. Wax fahan.