Interesting program from Afropop featuring Lidwien Kapteijns and Ahmed Samatar on popular music and the making of the Somali Republic. I think it's crazy that they're claiming these are "rare songs" and that they possess some sort of rare archive in the cassettes collection they share, but other than the obvious bs, it's actually a pretty insightful and well done program. You can read the full interview with Kapteijns here. Listen to the program here:

<cite> @OdaySomali said:</cite> Safferz do you speak French? I do, but not fluently. Why do you ask?

Thank you, Gheelle! Although I don't think this person's lyrics are entirely correct either, it does fill in some gaps I had lol

Here's another clearer one:

I'm trying to transcribe it from the video I've posted below, but it's not the most clear. There's this that is clearer but I think the lyrics after the "hooyiwaalo" part are different in the two videos. I bolded the part I got from the second video, but what I really want to know is what the lyrics are for the one I posted. Thought I'd ask if anyone can add to the lyrics I've written so far, you never know who's browsing SOL and knows the song and dance well Asalkeeda Saylaceey, dhaqankii Soomaaliyeed Bismillaahi salalaah caleyhi hooyahee Bismillaahi salalaah caleyhi hooyahee (repeated) Yac gooya (repeated) Hooyiwaalo, hooyiwaalo, hooyiwaalo (repeated) This is the part I can't figure out, starting 1:45 Soo soco siraadeey sidaada oo kale la waayeey Hellooy wanaageey wallee nimaan helin halowyeey Waa taayadiiyeey wallee waa tii shukaantaay Hooy gabadha daayaay rag bay geel dhalay u tahayee Hooyiwaalo, hooyiwaalo, hooyiwaalo (repeated) Yac gooya (repeated) Shaylilaah shaylilaah hoobayow (repeated) -- starts at 2:20, is there more I'm missing? Calankaayagow, calankaayagow cawaale waad na caawisee Calankaayagow hoowa calankaayagow cawaale, waad na caawise (repeated) HELP lol

That would be NOI-era Malcolm X

DK, did you listen to this interview or any of his other media appearances? Please do, because you'll see that he has no substantive critique -- the crux of his argument in opposition to the task force is what he calls the "labeling" ie. identifying Somali students as a group and as a group that has to be targeted for help. If you listen to this interview, he even opposes "of Somali descent" as a descriptor. There also WERE public forums to discuss the recommendations as they were being developed, 8 of them if I remember correctly, that had hundreds of Somali parents come out and give their input. He is talking out of his ass, and I was glad that the school board trustee who was on the show with him called him out on it and set the facts straight. Hussen exists in a postracial utopia where there are only "Canadian students" and "Canadian students dropping out" to shoot down evidence of particular issues and challenges facing the Somali community and any attempts to mitigate them. How can you have a productive discussion with someone who doesn't acknowledge race and ethnicity in Canada? The Canadian Somali Congress has lost, humiliatingly. But what this TDSB issue has done is open up space for Hussen to emerge as a self-appointed leader in the Somali community (he's appeared in the media before for other issues, but nothing like the sustained exposure this mashruuc has handed him), and he's eating it up. Mark my words, the man is profile building and will run for political office in the near future. I'll remember to bump this thread up when it happens, lol.

Seems Australia may have found the wreckage... they're checking out debris in the southern Indian ocean right now spotted by satellite, the largest of which is 25 meters. Developing story.

I'm listening to Ahmed Hussen of the Canadian Somali Congress speaking on CBC radio about his organization's opposition to the Toronto District School Board's (all) Somali task force and their recommendations for curbing the high dropout rate for students of Somali descent in Toronto (the recommendations were passed by school board trustees earlier this month). Students of Somali descent have some of the highest dropout rates in the city, at 35.1%. What's Hussen's argument in the face of these educational disparities? What is his rationale for opposing those who are trying to change things for Somali students in the Toronto school system? There are no Somali students! Just Canadian students! So why target them for statistics and for support? WE'RE ALL CANADIAN. I would like to smoke some of this post-racial crack he's on.

<cite> @thefuturenow said:</cite> ^ Nice. Did that really happen? If not, is the expression an original? If so, can I borrow it? More importantly, rock on. \~/ Go ahead

I just rolled my eyes so hard my contacts popped out.

<cite> @Khayr said:</cite> Saff, You may dislike the terminology used here (Assimilation) yet your value system has become one with that of western liberal socieites. In other words, you believe in the "free and progressive" thinking liberal society and your thoughts are in line with them. You think like them; You dress like them; You have values like gender equality and are pro-gay. You dislike any imposition on your "freedom of thought". So what are you really disagreeing with? Assimilation, diversity and inclusion (limited ofcourse) is all but from the same narrative - the dominant liberal worldview which is American and Euro-value centered. Khayr, I can't take your absurdity seriously sometimes. Are you really ceding freedom and equality to the West? Did you miss the part where I said that liberal Enlightenment thinking - the philosophical basis for the idea of assimilation/integration as a way of grappling with difference - is also the basis of the transtlantic slave trade, colonialism and other modern forms of human subjugation? Go read a book then get back to me when you are serious.

<cite> @Mooge said:</cite> why would such a lovely woman have any crisis? waxaga wa kibir. Safer, come to nairobi. lol Mooge, what's happening in Nairobi?

<cite> @DoctorKenney said:</cite> And why is that Safferz? What's wrong with the title? To put it simply, I think the concept of "integration" in the Western liberal Enlightenment tradition - the tradition Canada and other states trace their genealogy to - is the project to extinguish difference/distinction, when it's simply impossible to transcend most forms of difference (see Fanon "The Fact of Blackness") and you have groups who want their difference recognized by the state. It's this logic that produces crises in places like France; the realization that not only can the state not tolerate difference, but that the "universal" concepts inherited from the Enlightenment are in fact relative and historically particular. It's also these same logics that underpinned and enabled European colonialism and empire, and in turn set into motion the conditions that produced the immigrant communities that they are now trying to grapple with. Integration (read: assimilation) is a sham, it is an ideal and an impossibility.

I refuse to watch anything called "Integration TV" on principle.

<cite> @STOIC said:</cite> Since Saferz is our historian here (appeal to authority), I will let her words suffice the man's contribution.RIP When any of these "critics" can produce as rigorous and detailed an ethnography of Somali culture and history as "A Pastoral Democracy," then they can talk. Until then, their criticisms are baseless internet drivel, contributing nothing to the study of Somali history and society.

Flight 370 Deliberately Flew Hundreds of Miles Off Course: Report Source told Reuters on Friday that the Malaysian military has radar data indicating that Flight 370 may have deliberately flown hundreds of miles off course, raising the possibility of sabotage or hijacking. "What we can say is we are looking at sabotage, with hijack still on the cards," a senior Malaysian police official told Reuters. The data reportedly shows that Flight 370 abandoned its scheduled Beijing-bound course and instead headed west, towards India's Andaman Islands. From Reuters: Two sources said an unidentified aircraft that investigators believe was Flight MH370 was following a route between navigational waypoints when it was last plotted on military radar off the country's northwest coast. This indicates that it was either being flown by the pilots or someone with knowledge of those waypoints, the sources said. The Reuters report seems to correspond with a story in Friday's Wall Street Journal, which cited sources saying the plane flew for more than five hours after vanishing from radar. According to the Journal's report, Flight 370 repeatedly "pinged" its location to satellites that transmitted data to Boeing. Malaysia Airlines didn't purchase a package that would have allowed them access to the satellite system's data, according to Boeing. The Journal's sources said that, if the plane stayed in the air for the full five hours, it could have traveled more than 2,200 nautical miles.

RIP I.M. Lewis, I didn't agree with all of his writing and interpretations of Somali history and culture but his contributions are undeniable and he single handedly created the field of Somali Studies and paved the way for future scholarship. My favourite book of his is "Blood and Bone: The Call of Kinship in Somali Society" followed by his historical survey "A Modern History of the Somali" (title has changed over the years, but that's the most recent).

^ Holac, the Iranians with the fake passports turned out to be asylum seekers planning to get into Europe via Beijing. The 19 year old had his mom waiting for him in Europe I believe the satellite images have been checked out and nothing has been found at those sites either. This new piece of information today in the Wall Street Journal is intriguing, the plane could truly be anywhere and it seems whether there was even a crash is still up in the air: Missing Malaysia jet may have flown on for hours U.S. investigators suspect that Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 stayed in the air for about four hours past the time it reached its last confirmed location, according to two people familiar with the details, raising the possibility that the plane could have flown on for hundreds of additional miles under conditions that remain murky. Aviation investigators and national security officials believe the plane flew for a total of five hours based on data automatically downloaded and sent to the ground from the Boeing Co. BA -0.99% 777’s engines as part of a routine maintenance and monitoring program. That raises a host of new questions and possibilities about what happened aboard the widebody jet carrying 239 people, which vanished from civilian air-traffic control radar over the weekend, about one hour into a flight to Beijing from Kuala Lumpur. Six days after the mysterious disappearance prompted a massive international air and water search that so far hasn’t produced any results, the investigation appears to be broadening in scope. U.S. counterterrorism officials are pursuing the possibility that a pilot or someone else on board the plane may have diverted it toward an undisclosed location after intentionally turning off the jetliner’s transponders to avoid radar detection, according to one person tracking the probe. The investigation remains fluid, and it isn’t clear whether investigators have evidence indicating possible terrorism or espionage. So far, U.S. national security officials have said that nothing specifically points toward terrorism, though they haven’t ruled it out. But the huge uncertainty about where the plane was headed, and why it continued flying so long without working transponders, has raised theories among investigators that the aircraft may have been commandeered for a reason that appears unclear to U.S. authorities. Some of those theories have been laid out to national security officials and senior personnel from various U.S. agencies, according to one person familiar with the matter. At one briefing, according to this person, officials were told investigators are actively pursuing the notion that the plane was diverted “with the intention of using it later for another purpose.” As of Wednesday it remained unclear whether the plane reached an alternate destination or if it ultimately crashed, potentially hundreds of miles from where an international search effort has been focused. In those scenarios, neither mechanical problems, pilot mistakes nor some other type of catastrophic incident caused the 250-ton plane to mysteriously vanish from radar.

^ all we know at this point is that traffic controllers lost contact with the plane somewhere between Malaysia and Vietnam, and Malaysian military are saying their radar data shows the plane may have turned back. It hasn't been traced and no one knows what happened yet. Interesting image that shows the possible distance the plane could have traveled with the amount of fuel it had...

<cite> @Cadale said:</cite> Latest news is that the airplane has been traced and the malaysian military think the airplane landed somewhere in the malaca island. Where are you getting this info? The last thing I heard is that they believe the airplane turned at some point so it's likely to be hundreds of miles off course, but nothing about the plane being traced or believed to have landed somewhere.

Where the hell is this Malaysian Airlines flight? It's baffling. Even Air France 447 that went into the Atlantic had traces turn up a few days later, though most of the wreckage wasn't found until two years later.

<cite> @Reeyo said:</cite> Not to divide into the cliche you've just described but did you have to go there galbeedi? Saf is bored and you make the assumption it has something to do with Somali men? A little self-absorbed wouldn't you say? :=P I was wondering when someone would suggest it. After all, the received wisdom is that a woman's life is incomplete and unfulfilled without marriage and children, so that must be what's 'missing' for me. It's not.

<cite> @Holac said:</cite> Saff, reading that transcript gives me chills. The conversation in those few minutes of struggle for survival (followed by silence) take you right inside that airplane's cockpit. It really is chilling. I found this simulation helpful for understanding exactly what the co-pilots did wrong, since I'm not familiar with the technical language they were using in the transcript: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4pYCctsdN9Q

Well said, galbeedi. Clan is a base political unit and collective, nothing more. It has also transformed over time and continues to evolve - the qabiil of today is hardly the qabiil of our forefathers, contrary to some of the primordialists in this thread seem to think.