Wadani;951140 wrote: There u go again with ur postmodern-liberal-elitist-hogwash. I'm partially trolling btw, but only partially. loool. ...ee sida uula soco. Add Judith Butler's "Gender Trouble" to that list of recommended books

Wadani;951182 wrote: Ofcourse they do in Somalia and the Middle East. What's ur point? And as you know, many societies (like ours in North America) would find that strange and disqualify them as "real men" for it. My point is that ideas about masculinity vary across space and time, so there's really no answer to the question posed by the OP.

Wadani;951130 wrote: That's because u and society at large don't want men to be men anymore, lest their unfettered nature offends the prevailing liberal sensibilities of the 'elite'. No, it's just that it's clear that what it is to "be a man" is socially constructed, historically shifting and culturally specific. I don't know what it means to be a man, because a man (and a woman) can be any number of things, your genitals don't determine that. "Manhood," like "womanhood," is a social construction. Case in point -- do "real men" hold another man's hand, in your view?

Chimera;951060 wrote: It means to be a loyal son, a loving grandson, a caring brother, a cherished cousin, a vital pillar of the family. It means striving to be a good husband and an even greater father. +2. Not feeling the gender essentialism in the other posts.

Wadani;950299 wrote: Men and women are not equal ee sidaa ula soco. What was that, Wadani? :mad:

oba you can't change your profile pic and not tell us how too!

Shutting off the computer is a good start I should get to sleep too, but I'm watching Law & Order SVU lol

If he ventures back into the general forum, yes (I avoid the politics forum because of this stuff). How's your evening going, SP?

SomaliPhilosopher;950714 wrote: Come on, saffy I expected you to cream him!!! you were too soft! Saalax? lool I had to leave to go pick up my sister and didn't want to commit to a debate, but honestly it's difficult to argue with the nonsensical.

Saalax;950715 wrote: Well that is the problem every Tom and Jerry masquerades attacks on the Sland and its people as that but truth be told it is something deeper than that. Slnders just happen to be more straightforward and don't beat around the bush. I disagree -- there is certainly much of that in the debate, but there are also many people who don't support SL because they believe in the Somali state. The positions within Somaliland are just as varied and complex, and one can support SL for a variety of reasons, for some people that reason is qabiil. But I will say that the SL elites have crafted a problematic discourse that relies on Somalia being the barbaric "other," in order to make the case that they are different and more worthy of the international support.

Saalax;950711 wrote: What is your take on people who take jabs at Somaliland? You can articulate a critique of politics without reducing it to clan BS, I'm consistent about that regardless of what region/state we're talking about. I just think Somalis can and should do better.

Saalax;950708 wrote: It is like an American from California the west coast of USA reminding a southern redneck from Texas of his backward uptight nature. Except it's not.

My heart is so full right now

Saalax;950702 wrote: Racism indicates different ethnic groups, I am Somali. I am just pressing Oba's buttons and reminding him the reality. It has nothing to do with race. C'mon now, qabyalad is a form of racism... and tropes of barbarity and primitivism in southern Somalia are certainly racist.

God natt oba!!

Saalax;950695 wrote: You know it is the truth, we have the likes of machete wielding Oba Hiloowlow who threatened several SOLers if they visit that city. Saalax, although you are among my SOL cousins, I cannot accept your racism and hatred towards other Somalis, sorry. You can be a Somalilander without that sh*t.

I'm ridiculously happy to be home, having bariis isku dex karis and watching the Young and the Restless with hoyo. And my dad has been wearing my university t-shirt all day (I got him one of those dad ones) with a matching kufi

Saalax;950687 wrote: Mogadishu would have been even more greater place if it weren't inhabited by uncivilized groups.

Good to know. But yes, if Mogadishu continues its progress the way it has, it will be great in two years

SomaliPhilosopher;950676 wrote: Saffy you don't need a lot of people or family there. The lingering threat of random acts of violence/terrorism is what concerns me though

oba hiloowlow;950667 wrote: do you have any relatives in Mogadishu by any chance? If you do i suggest you should call them and ask, the city has the best peace since the war started in 91 believe me people who have seen it all told me this walahi Oba, what's the city like for people without local/family connections? I think it's clear that things are getting better, but for a lot of us it still seems too unsafe to visit unless you are from the city and have people there. I hope to go in a year or two, though.

I manage the SYL fan page on Facebook, more pics/videos/historical info here: https://www.facebook.com/pages/Somali-Youth-League-SYL/108052855892328

Haatu;950489 wrote: Saff, I imagined you falling over whilst trying to get to the toilet :D lool no, thankfully I was in my seat with my seatbelt holding me in

Hi guys!! Just landed in Toronto. Horrible flight, turbulence all through the trip and we had two actual drops (drinks hit the ceiling!) but glad to be home. The view from Toronto Island airport:

SomaliPhilosopher;949998 wrote: You can go and vent to Wadani now safferz, my possible relative NOPE. I'm going to bed now because I have a flight in a few hours, but when I'm back on SOL I expect to see: 1) what city you're from; and 2) which side of the city you hail from, if the city happens to be the aforementioned two-region capital. Goodnight SP PS - I always vent to Wadani, he seems to be employing the "friend zone strategy," ee sida uula soco.