I don't "follow" anyone and I don't owe you a response, Hawdian. Go back to your boys' club.

Classified;982321 wrote: I didn't make any takfir. Just asked a question regarding your authenticity in claiming to be a Muslim; "Is it safe to say that Safferz is not a Muslim?". lol sometimes I'm not sure if you're being dense on purpose. What's the difference between calling someone gaalo and questioning their "authenticity in claiming to be a Muslim"?

Hawdian;982316 wrote: Taas inn la cadeeyo weeyan wayo qoofka maarku yidhaaho waxas baa diinta Allah SWT ka badalaya waa marku waada qalad kuu socodoo. Maybe if you spent more time reading and thinking about Islam's rich intellectual history and browsed various fiqh rulings, you'd know anything I've said in this thread - that some issues are not black and white, and Islamic scholars debate these questions - pales in comparison to you and Classified's takfir, which is explicitly haram.

^^ lol! Oiler;982308 wrote: The 2nd question has been answered: She's entitled to her opinions. Well no, not quite, unless you conflate civil law with religious law. Classified also conflates behaviour (what Islam and religions in general try to regulate) with feelings, desires, thoughts, etc. He seems the type to tell a gay Muslim not to bother praying, because "you can't be gay and Muslim," but wouldn't say that to his friend with a girlfriend, or a Muslim who drinks and parties. And I can't stand Irshad Manji.

Classified;982303 wrote: Who's Khaled Abou El Fadl? :confused: What do you think about what Oiler said? Is it true? If yes, do you agree with it? Why do you ask me things you can Google? Bear in mind that Al-Turabi is a political leader who is concerned with Sudan's legal system, that he believes consuming alcohol is not something that should be in the purview of the state (especially one like Sudan, which has Christians too) is not a big deal. Very few countries prohibit alcohol. And the than the question of interfaith marriage, but you can do your own research on that and I'm not interested in getting into that discussion in this thread.

Wadani;982300 wrote: Both Zaid and Zaynab were arabs. Just like the Xalimo and Chinese guy are both Americans, or whatever. What's your point? Zaid was a black slave in Mecca. Classified;982296 wrote: Who are these "Some" that "say it goes both ways" and who are these "Others" that "say it does not"? :? Don't just throw empty rhetoric, provide substantial evidence to your claims. I'm thirsty for more knowledge. Educate me, bal. Khaled Abou El Fadl's books "And Allah Knows the Soldiers: The Authoritative and Authoritarian in Islamic Discourses" and "Speaking in God's Name: Islamic Law, Authority, and Women" is a good start.

Classified;982288 wrote: Interesting. So, the Ahlu Kitab position goes for both genders and isn't exclusive to only men marrying from the "people of the book". Who's Hassan Al-Turabi? Like I said, there's no scholarly consensus so some may say it goes both ways, others say it does not. Hassan Al-Turabi is a well known Sudanese sheikh and political figure.

The man sowed the seeds of Somalia's destruction. It's a part of our history and should be remembered, but I don't think it should be celebrated either. I don't understand the nostalgia for what was a brutal military dictatorship

Classified;982270 wrote: Of course they can, as it's their choice to do as they please; but the 'can' I asked refers to from Islamic perspective. Does Islam allow Muslim women to marry non-Muslim men? Also, if you don't mind, what is your position on the matter Islamically? I answered your question, there is no such thing as "the Islamic perspective" because there is no one perspective for a matter that's been debated over centuries and has no scholarly consensus. Someone like Hassan al-Turabi has said it's permissible for a Muslim woman to marry a Christian or Jew. I don't care either way.

Classified;982264 wrote: Can a Muslim woman marry a Non-Muslim man? Of course they *can,* whether they *should* is something that's been up for debate for centuries and positions vary amongst scholars.

^^ you don't inherit religion from anyone and certainly not your father, in fact that's one aspect of traditional Arab religion that Islam clearly forbids. Don't try and invent religious justification for ethnocentrism and bigotry, Prophet Muhammad himself was married to women of different ethnic backgrounds (ie. a Jewish woman, an Egyptian Copt) and even encouraged interracial marriages (ie. he asked his cousin Zaynab to marry Zaid ibn Haritha).

It's inappropriate to post people's personal pics from Facebook on a public forum without their permission. Should be against SOL rules, if it's not already.

SomaliPhilosopher;982198 wrote: I start experimenting with writing a while back, wrote this story. never really finished it. now im revisiting it.. debating whether to wrap it as a short story, which appears more fitting, or continue with it... but what is the use of a short story?? idkkkkk decisions decisions Short stories are awesome, do it!

SomaliPhilosopher;982193 wrote: ^^ Though notice the languages differ from race to race... for the white women it is "women cannot accept the way things are""":confused: what is that soo vague.. for the muslim women it is "women need to be seen as equal" much more blunt and direct...of course not to mention what is written under the search bar also varies in severity.. for the white women it deals with matters of "bad drivers", "cannot be bishops", or the also vague "cannot be trusted" :confused:... these are soft, vague, and just obvious statements- women becoming a bishop?? whereas the muslim women things like "need to be put in place", or "need to be controlled", and "know their place"...compared to the white woman ad, these statements are focused and less random and share a common narrative which basically creates an image of her counterpart, the muslim male.. You're right, but the Muslim woman's ad also isn't as severe as say, the Asian woman. It's not perfect but it's a much better ad than what I had expected from Alpha's post.

Tallaabo;982174 wrote: I can already see Safferz storming Google's headquarters and strangling its chief executive;) I actually love the ad, now that I see there are other women featured, and it's not focusing on the Muslim woman as the object of gender oppression and "saving."

Nin-Yaaban;982102 wrote: Liban Ahmed, 31. 31 my @ss!

Saalax;982058 wrote: " frameborder="0" allowfullscreen> lol I love this video so much.

Hawdian;982036 wrote: This exclusive club nor its members have time for haters. Nor Am I willing to debate with You. Please see youself out. Yareey sifacn uga baax meeshan sacad kuma xayo. note you will not be accepted nomatter how many youtube videos you upload. This club full of madaxweynayaal will be going from strength to strength have no doubt. No. Go start your own boys' forum if you want, this is SOL and people are free to post in whatever thread they'd like.

Mad_Mullah;982027 wrote: Even the South Somalis were referred by the British as Arab. In their eyes only the stereotypical half naked Bantu would be African. We can however not deny that many Somalilanders were uncle Toms to the British and tried to make the other Somali tribes sound inferior so that they would grow closer to the Queen's heart. That's an excerpt from Richard Burton, isn't it? He was in Somalia in 1856 or so, before the partition of Africa and the establishment of British colonies in East Africa. You're conflating a lot of things here, and Burton's 19th century racist gaze on Somalis isn't any indication of what Somalis thought of themselves or what their relationship to the British was, because at the time of writing there was no relationship. Secondly, regardless of what Brits observed about Somalis, under the colonial state in Somaliland/Somalia, they were classified as "natives" like all other Africans in British colonies were. Somalis in other parts of British East Africa like Kenya and Tanganyika were the ones to organize for Asian status.

Alpha Blondy;982022 wrote:

Alpha Blondy;982007 wrote: summoning Saffz and Spoows to this thread immediately to explain their anti-SL tirades. I'm not anti-SL, and I don't owe you an explanation for anything. Why do you think you own SL and everyone here has to answer to you on SL matters? Piss off.

SomaliPhilosopher;981970 wrote: And do you realize the Somalilanders inability to productively cooperate with the dar0d given tribal animosity has delayed achieving asiatic status for decades until it was useless and had no benefits, not to metion economically unsound. Plus, when post WW2 Somali nationalism emerged which was more ambitious and sought complete liberation rather than 'elevated status' under a colonial administration, it was unsupported by a faction of the somalilanders (the faction you would probably belong to), remnants of the "asiatic" status campaigners. Instead they continued in their miniscule pursuits under their tribal banner In defense of my reer abtiyaal (my own grandfather was a clerk for the colonial administration), you can't blame Somalis in British East Africa for manipulating the racial hierarchy imposed by the British in order to make better lives for themselves. It has nothing to do with self-hate, but about doing what they could to access the legal, political, social and economic privileges afforded to those not classified as "natives" in the colonial racial order. And the Somalis of British Somaliland were also instrumental in the Somali nationalist movement(s) for independence, while southern Somalia was given the 1960 date for independence by the United Nations, British Somaliland had no guarantee of independence. Pan-Somali nationalist activity combined with the reality of a decolonizing Africa gave the British no other choice. As much as 1960 is being rewritten today by modern Somalilander political discourse, the independence and unification of all the Somalilands was something popularly supported by those in the North. My uncle was part of the delegation from Hargeisa who went to Xamar that day -- their grievances against the central government only emerged later.

Saalax;981902 wrote: I think you missed the definition of south Somalia.. South is relative, and you separated Somaliland from "the rest of the pack," which implies everyone else. Why can't you celebrate a Somalilander's accomplishment without insulting other Somalis?

Saalax;981900 wrote: I always knew Somalilanders had higher IQ than the rest of the pack (south Somalians). ... isn't your mom from Puntland?

I'm crashing this little tea party :mad: We all know it's men sitting around discussing politics who ruin everything.