NG, It seems that the overwhelming majority of those that reject this government hail from the capital and, not surprisingly, the vast majority of those cheerleading and voicing their support hail from Puntland! Could this really be a simple coincidence? Just like TFG, If we look at the issue of the secession and Hergeysa-based-admin, the reality is the overwhelming majority of those cheerleading and voicing their support hail from Northwest (mainly Hergeysa), and the vast majority of those that reject the secession and Hergeysa-based-admin hail from Sool, Sanaag, and Cayn[buuhoodle] Could this really be another a simple coincidence? as you hinted I support any people’s right to self determination. But where it will stop? when Northwest, Sool, Buuhoodle, caynabo all demand self-determination Good principle, regions can have some form of autonomy without seceding Secession will create more problem within North Somalia, Somalia, horn Africa, and Africa at large, its like opening Pandora box, if Northwest is recognized, consequently Awdal, Sool, Sanaag, buuhoodle from togdheer, canabo from sool, ceelafweyn from sanaag, puntland, hiiraan will all seek recognition would prefer it if they joined the Republic of Somalia. Welcome on board, it’s the best and wise choice in the age of globalization, even nation-state/nationalism is diminishing(a concept of 18-20 century), let alone tribal-feithdom/tribalism (a concept of stone age) What’s important to me here is peace, mutual respect and dignity. The rest (patriotism, independence, mistrust, etc) are all concepts that come and go. Makes sense, we need peace foremost, everything else is secondary, What Somali people need most is peace and some kind of rule of law presently, Somali people at least should reach the level of development of third world, Today Somalia belongs to category of failed nations And the chances for recognition are still fifty/fifty. Unfortunately, you not realistic the chances for recognition are its 0.00001%

Thinker, i see you still cant except somaliand or what you term North West somalia leaving, And I see, you still against people of Sool Sanaag and Buuhoodle to decide for themselves and join Somalia even if the issue of Sool, and Sang were solved you would still have issue of somaliland living, Even if we accept the secession of your northwest region, you would still have issue to respect people of Sool Sanaag and Buuhoodle to decide for themselves and join Somalia i dont understand, to issue of buhoodle its in region firmly in support of somaliland, Me too, I don’t understand the issue of Ceelafweyn and Caynabo both are in regions firmly in support of unity with Somalia and as you claim let the people choose let the full region itself vote for somalia or with somaliland, you and i both no the outcome of that vote, in Sang you have areas that are in support of somaliland so what do you suggest the rights of those people be to follow the majority, because you say so then you must say the same thing about buhoodle. True, both of us should be fair and objective How about if Sool and Sanaag are divisible, Togdheer is as well divisible and vice versa meaning permitting the areas pro unity/somaliweyn to go with Somalia, and areas that pro secession to go with Somaliland regardless of local borders between sool, sanaag and togheer OR we should not split of each of the three regions into smaller districts, and see where the majority of Sool want, majority of sanaag, and majority of togheer prefer The adwal region wont have their own state for the simple fact they were never pre-1960 i nation, unlike somaliland that was, Nonsense, no one was a nation, there was British somali coolony just like Hong Kong was never a nation, Hong Kong was once a british colony and now part of China If Awdal wont have their own state, then Northwest as well wont have their own state, You cannot say I can have my own state but other people cannot have be fair plus my brother the issue of pandra box being open is unfound even the A.U. fact finding mission de-bunk this view so that point is not strong. Source?????//// Face brother, the real obstacle to Somaliland recognition is the issue of Pandora box, How will the world deal with future secession movements in north somalia like sool, toghdheer, sanaag, and then buuhoodle, caynabo,ceelafweyn How about Puntland, Bay/Bakool land, Juba land, Hiraanland might seek secession as well? How about other secesion movements in Horn of Africa and Africa like western somalia, oromo, afar in Ethoipia , southern sudan, northeast kenya, northern uganda Only Somalis have the solution for their problem, What we have here are two regions controled by two different nations, IE UK and Italy with set borders, after they left the two independent nations choose not forced to combine there natios to one, with the hopes of other regions coming, but in the end that never happened Entirely FALSE What we have here are two former colonies(not region) controlled by two colonial powers, regarding the British each subclan had a separate agreement with British and also some tribes never signed agreement with British, thus they were never part of the colony officially anyways presently irrelevant its just was one small chapter of the long history of Somali people, remember that Somali people have a history before and after that short-lived colonial history one region chooose to leave its simple like that, Only northwest choose to leave the union, not all the territories of former British Somali colony, that’s the issue and its not simple as you wish look at it in none-emotional way brother look at it in black and white and you see the truth There is nothing black and white in this world Brother you as well donot be emotional and blindly support socalled somaliland - one clan project Brother, I think you need to face the truth, and you already know that only part of former british somali colony want to secede, and other part want to stay with the union people for some odd reason still refuse to let somaliland go people (somalilanders) for some odd reason still refuse to let sool sanaag and cayn go their way - stay the unoin with larger Somalia my main point which no one refutes is that puntland does not control FULL control of both these regions thats all i am saying people. AND my main point which no one refutes is that Somaliland does not control FULL control of all theses regions (Sool, Sanaag, and Togdheer) thats the truth In the case of Saaxil the whole region as whole choose to do this in the case of Budhoole its only one section in the region that choose to create it not the whole region as whole old boy. Regarding former British Somali colony its only one section in the in the former colony that want to secede, it not the whole former colony as whole want to secede There is striking similarities between former British Somali colony, Caynabo, Ceelafweyn, and Buuhoodle Self-declared faction of Somaliland only represent northwest region of Somalia

Thinker nothing is a different matter We can say eastend of both Sool and Sanaag is also a different matter in that its in another region and picking and choosing on area already in established region would be wrong (note I used the same words you used against you) You want Sool and Sanaag to be divided, and not Togdheer THAT’S NOT FAIR How about if think outside of the box and say Somalia is an established and recognized country by UN, AU, EU, AL, and over 200 countries, and dividing a country would be wrong, makes a complete sense right The World is unwilling to recognize any region within Somalia, because for 16 years the international community was examining Somaliland’s case for recognition, they realized that’s it’s like opening a Pandora box, once they recognize Somaliland, they also should recognize Sool, Sanaag, and then Cayn, Caynabo, Ceel-Afweyn, and ofcourse Awdal will join the bandwagon I heard already there is group of somali people in UN, who are advocating for Republic of Awdal Most of you heard the story of Chechens, they want secede like Ukraine, Azerbaijan, and Kazakhstan Some international think tanks warn an all out war (a multifaceted tribal ) in Somalia if any region within Somalia is recognized, they believe history might repeat itself like ethnics in former Yugoslavia, Hutu and Tutsi in Rwanda/Burundi, or Suni, shai, and kurds in Iraq

Bad Cas Thinker said "A Nazi state, clan state, a tribe that wants to secede, no such thing as somaliand" Cries like this of hatered towards this people, is sick comments like this only shows them and i your true views of them. … I see the issue of greater somalia as like cancer, TFG president that his claim of control of somaliland is false, and that people in that region are not in support of his claims on their rights as citizens of Somaliland. Bad Cas responded to this Good thinking mr.Somali. Only there is no nation called Somalia anymore, ------------ Soo maal said We cannot blame only one side of the conflict, because it’s unacceptable and not fair I believe what we need here is to talk, solve issues peacefully, reach an agreement and move forward Bad Cas responded to this Soo maal, once again the issue isn't somalia and Somaliland it's bigger. Bad Cas, for you when thinker expressed his personal views, the issue was about Somalia and Somaliland But when Soo maal responded to thinker’s unfair opinion in a balanced way and exposed the ugly side of both camps, you turned the table and said the issue is about Somalis vs Ethiopians , and not Somalia and Somaliland or Sool issue in that matter I call this DOUBLESTANDARD Bad Cas, inadeerkaa baa la safatay

Is what matters is the will of people? or who controls here or there? We all know that Siyad controlled all Somalia; ICU controlled much of the south Somaliland claims they want self-determination, democracy, peace, and freedom to secede from Somalia Not bad, however people of Sool/East Sanaag/Cayn as well want self-determination, democracy, peace, freedom to be an integral part of Somalia Somalithinker I see that you are against people of Buuhoodle to have their own province/Gobol called Cayn, while you want your people of Northwest to have a country called Somaliland….that is hypocrisy

Nin Saddex Dumara kula aqal galay woqooyiga Hargeysa waaba dhaqan cusube????

cheap hadal baa meesh ku heysaa dandaansiga adi un baa yaqaan markii aad i aflagaadeenasay ma anaa ku soo daadansadey, bal beenta aad sheegasi u fiirso Caanood asagana markii cirka laga hadlaayo....... where is markii aad i aflagaadeenasay, where is the thread? there was another thread where you accused me everything meesha xaqdaro badan baa ka wadaa Ninyahow caqli la imow

MMA cajiib, lately, SOL became dictatorship you can do watever you want, and can delete any thread You misusing and taking advantage of your status as moderator wat kind of moderator are you

Maakhir there is only North Cenral Somalia that includes Sool Sanaag and Cayn Nimankan Hergeysa u taagwaayey, waa faduul waxey wax kalaba uga hadlaan

"MAXAA SOOL IYO SANAAG BARI LAGA SHEEGI HARGEYSA AYAA BADH MAQAN TAHAYE"Wasiirka Wasaarada Hawlaha Guud siciid Sulub

Does it bother you Zenawi might like Riyaale more then Yeey? LOL. I am not sick like you, I dont care, for me a warlord is a warlord And here I was thinking I was dealing with an honest man. Failed crop, indeed. Sick man will not understand anything Riyaale uun baa u cad iyo aqoonsi

I prefer Riyaale to Yeey You are loyal to your warlord (leader of you clan malitia)

snm-mujrim muuse biixi dhaha, Duke, Arag, lama arko Zenawi lamana diidana Xabashi waxa la diidan yahay waa C/Yusuf , cadaawad waxaa loo qabaa dadka soomaaliyeed sida Puntland

Here is Riyaale screaming Zenawi name "rajo fiican iyo kalsooni buuxda ayaan kala soo noqday" “Waxaanu ka wada hadalnay Soomaaliya inaanay arrinteedu inaanay ina qusayn oo weliba wuxuu ballan qaaday inaanay Itoobiya ogolaanayn in Somaliland nabadeeda iyo jiritaankeedaba wax la yeelo”. “Anigu sacab baan tumayaa maan odhan, laakiin waxaan idhi wixii Soomaaliya aad nabadooda wax kaga qabanaysaan waanu taageeraynaa, Itoobiyana waan ku taageersanahay wixii nabad ah ee ay koonfurta Soomaaliya la qabanayso”. ““Ujeeddada safarkaygu waxay ahayd xaaladaha ka dhacaya geyigeenna inaan xogogaal u noqdo iyo inaan xogogaal u noqdo meesha la dhigay Somaliland. Anigana waa la i waraysanayey, aniguna fikirkaygaan gudbinayay. Waxaanan dadkaas aan la kulmay kala hadlayey inaanay waxa halkaas [soomaaliya] ka socdaa saamayn ku yeelan Somaliland. Markaan idiin soo koobana – hadday tahay Ra’iisulwasaaraha Itoobiya, AU-da, EU-da iyo hadday safaaradaha kale tahayba – arrintaasi waa arrin Soomaaliya ku kooban oo wax inaga khuseeyaa aanu jirin. Taasna waxa ii dhex socday inaan qaddiyadeena cid kasta u sheego iyo mustaqbalka waxaan caalamka uga baahanahay, markaan idiin soo ururiyo rajo fiican iyo kalsooni buuxda ayaan kala soo noqday wax dadkeenu ka werwero oo halkaas waxa ka socda inaga saamayn karaana ma jirto.” ““Mid ayaan idiin sheegayaa Somaliland guusha ay gaadhay waxa weeye haddii Soomaaliya la inagu daba nabi jirey, maanta inaan nahay dad gaar loola macaamilayo, taan u dedaalaynaana waa taas, taan safarka degdega ah ugu tagayna waa taas oo ah inaan xogogaal u noqdo wixii saamayn ah ee inagaga iman kara waxyaabahaas dhacaya…” ayuu yidhi.

MMA dont about Xabashi, when you believe Baydhabo was liberated shaatiguduud Ninyahoow, the whole country Xabash ayaa heysato xabashi 16 sano ayeey walaaqasay dalka, ee maxaa cusub whats the difference Melez was supporting Shaatiguduud in 1999, and supporting Yusuf and other warlords today? the differenc is different man Xabashi waxaa la xasuusta marka la hadlo C/yusuf, not marka laga hadlo shaatiguduud the liberator, or RRA (xabashi Spies), or socalled somaliland and puntland mma, haa u maleen in aan sidaada oo kale u waalnahay ama aan dhinaca qabiil uun arimaha ka eego

^ Could there be some who support the the clan malitia (the so-called somaliland) for non-clan reasons? none

"rajo fiican iyo kalsooni buuxda ayaan kala soo noqday" “Waxaanu ka wada hadalnay Soomaaliya inaanay arrinteedu inaanay ina qusayn oo weliba wuxuu ballan qaaday inaanay Itoobiya ogolaanayn in Somaliland nabadeeda iyo jiritaankeedaba wax la yeelo”. “Anigu sacab baan tumayaa maan odhan, laakiin waxaan idhi wixii Soomaaliya aad nabadooda wax kaga qabanaysaan waanu taageeraynaa, Itoobiyana waan ku taageersanahay wixii nabad ah ee ay koonfurta Soomaaliya la qabanayso”. ““Ujeeddada safarkaygu waxay ahayd xaaladaha ka dhacaya geyigeenna inaan xogogaal u noqdo iyo inaan xogogaal u noqdo meesha la dhigay Somaliland. Anigana waa la i waraysanayey, aniguna fikirkaygaan gudbinayay. Waxaanan dadkaas aan la kulmay kala hadlayey inaanay waxa halkaas [soomaaliya] ka socdaa saamayn ku yeelan Somaliland. Markaan idiin soo koobana – hadday tahay Ra’iisulwasaaraha Itoobiya, AU-da, EU-da iyo hadday safaaradaha kale tahayba – arrintaasi waa arrin Soomaaliya ku kooban oo wax inaga khuseeyaa aanu jirin. Taasna waxa ii dhex socday inaan qaddiyadeena cid kasta u sheego iyo mustaqbalka waxaan caalamka uga baahanahay, markaan idiin soo ururiyo rajo fiican iyo kalsooni buuxda ayaan kala soo noqday wax dadkeenu ka werwero oo halkaas waxa ka socda inaga saamayn karaana ma jirto.” ““Mid ayaan idiin sheegayaa Somaliland guusha ay gaadhay waxa weeye haddii Soomaaliya la inagu daba nabi jirey, maanta inaan nahay dad gaar loola macaamilayo, taan u dedaalaynaana waa taas, taan safarka degdega ah ugu tagayna waa taas oo ah inaan xogogaal u noqdo wixii saamayn ah ee inagaga iman kara waxyaabahaas dhacaya…” ayuu yidhi. Somaliland org: Madaxweyne Riyaale Oo Ka Soo Laabtay Booqashadiisii Addis Ababa: "Anigu Sacab Baan Tumayaa Maan Odhan...."

Garaad Jaamac Garaad Ali waa Garaad Somaliweyn aaminsan, Maalmulka Puntland na wada shaqeen fiican baa ka dhaxeesa Laas Caanood September 2006 Garaad Jaamac markii la caleema saarayey May 22, 2006 "waxaanan soo jeedinayaa si amniga loo sugo waa in la taageeraa dawlada federalka ah,” ayuu Garaad Jaamac, isagoo hadalkiisa ugu baaqay nabadeed oo uu u diray kooxaha ku dagaalamaya Muqdisho. Garaad waxuu dhamaan hogaamiyaasha dhaqanka soomaaliyeed ku martiqaaday Magaalada Laascaanood (Caasimada Dhaqanka Soomaaliyeed) inay shir ku yeeshaan

Originally posted by Castro: quote:Originally posted by Sophist: Castro, my suspicious mind leads me to believe that your painful loathing isn’t directed primarily towards Ethiopians or Abdulahi Yusuf!! It is the blood running through the veins of AY that you wholly dislike or dare I say hate? This my dear boy is what a lot of us are suspicious about. If by blood you mean the treacherous blood he shares with Geedi, Caydiid Jr. and many others, Why you left your warlord Riyoole,(former siyad's spy and Melez's puppet today) and your uncle Waraabe (king of all hate) in this list Everyone knows that hate C/Yusuf not because he is warlord or xabashi, but because C/yusuf is from Puntland, Hadii aad maqashid Puntland dhiigkar baa kugu dhaca, ee anti-puntland kiniin cun

Finnally, Yusuf is in Mogadishu Castro, xanuun iyo stress baa kudhacay mar ku maqlaba Yusuf Castro Riyaale is in Addis Ababa,donot worry Melez will not forget your warlord

mma, Maybe you over looked some Somali people and their regions intentionally Where are Awdal, nugaal, hawd, sool, and sanaag??? Bari is one of the 6 regions that constitute the Regional State of Puntland I am disappointed with you MMA - the self-proclaimed leader of SOL

Ra'isal Wasaaraha Dawalada Ethiopia Meles Zanawi Oo Dhexdhaxaadin Doona Madaxweynahaasha Somaliland Rayaale iyo Ka Dawlada ku meel gaadhka C/laahi hadhwanaag 2007-01-07 (Hadhwanaagnews) Hargeysa(HWN)- Wefti u hogaaminayo Madaxweaynaha Somaliland Md, Daahir Rayaal Kaahin oo ay ku wehelianayaana Xubno ka tirsan Golihiisa wasiirada oo uu ka mid yahay Wasiiraka Maaliyada Md, Xuseen Cawil Ducaale,a waxaaana hore ugu suganaa Ethiopia Wasiirka arrimaha dibada Somaliland Md, C/laahi Maxamed Ducaaale ayaa lagu wadaa inuu berito socdaal ku tago Magaalo madaxda Ethiopia ee Adis Ababa. Sidaa waxa shabakada wararka ee Hadhwanaagnews.com u xaqiijiyey Afhayeenka Madaxweynaha C/ idiris Ducaale, balse uu ka gaabsadaay inuua waxa tafaasiil dheeraada ka bixiyo socdaalka Madaxweaaynaha iyo cida ku wehelinaysaa,au jeedada Socdaalka Madaxweynaha ayaa la sheegay inay ka danbeysaya kadib markii uu Ra'isal Wasaaraaha Dawlada Ethiopia Meles Zanawi uu u yeedhay Madaxweynaha Somaliland Md, Rayaale si uu u wada hadashiiyo Madaxweynaha Dawalada Kumeelgaadhaka C/laahi Yuusuf oo imika ku sugan Ethiopia,wararku na soo gaadhayaa macadayn waxay labada Madaxweayne kawadahadalidoonaan sidii ay labada masuula iskula meela dhigi lahaayeen arrimaha caakiran ee ka taagan Geeska Afrika Gaar ahaaana Magaalada Muqdisho ee imika u soo gacanagashay Dawlada kumeelagaadhka ee ay ciidamada Ethiopianku Caawainayaan. Socdaalkan uu madaxweaayne Rayaale ku tagayo beri Ethiopia ayaa wiigii ugu danbeeyeyba ay shacabiga ku nool caasimada Hargeysa ay aad u hadal hayeen Wixii intaa ka soo kordha socdaalka Madaxweynaha kala socda shaabakada wararka ee Hadhwanaagnews.com wakhtiyadaan soo socda Weriye, Mustafe-janaale Reporter Hadhwanaagnews.com/Hargeysa E-mail, Janaale94@yahoo.com ------ Madaxweyne Riyaale Oo U Ambabaxaya Berrito Booqasho Uu Ku Tegayo Addis Ababa, Itoobiya Somaliland.Org — Hargeisa, Somaliland — 7 January, 2007 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hargeysa (Somaliland.org) – Madaxweynaha Somaliland mudane Daahir Riyaale Kaahin ayaa lagu wadaa berrito inuu u ambabaxo booqasho uu ku tegayo Addis Ababa, Itoobiya. War rasmi ah lagama bixin socdaalka Madaxweyne Riyaale. Hase yeeshee, warar laga helay madaxtooyada ayaa sheegaya in Madaxweynuhu berrito shir jaraa’id qaban doono, kaas oo la filayo inuu kaga hadli doono socdaalkiisa Addis Ababa. Wararka la xidhiidha socdaalku waxay sheegayaan in mudane Riyaale uu martiqaad ka helay Ra’iisul wasaaraha Itoobiya, Meles Zenawi, isla markaana ay ka wadahadli doonaan arrimo la xidhiidha xaaladda gobolka, gaar ahaan arrinta Soomaaliya iyo waxa ka khuseeya Somaliland. Socdaalka Madaxweyne Riyaale ayaa waxa uu ku beeggan yahay iyada oo uu gobolka ka socdo dhaqdhaqaaq diblomaasiyadeed oo xawli ah, kaas oo lagu baadidoonayo sidii wadahadal loogu soo dabaali lahaa arrinta Soomaaliya, kadib hawlgalkii milateri ee ciidamada Itoobiya kaga fara-maroojiyeen Maxaakiimta Islaamiga ah dhulkii ay ka talinayeen ee Koonfurta Soomaaliya, isla markaana uu Addis Ababa dib uga noqday maanta Madaxweynaha dowladda Ku-meel-gaadhka ah ee Soomaaliya, Col. Cabdillaahi Yuusuf oo halkaas wadahadal kula yeeshay Ra’iisulwasaaraha Itoobiya, Meles Zenawi. Col. Cabdillaahi Yuusuf iyo Meles Zenawi waxay ka wadahadleen – sida ay sheegtay warbaahinta dowladda Itoobiya – arrimo la xidhiidhi sidii loo ballaadhin lahaa wadahadalada dib u heshiisiinta, loogana qaybgelin lahaa “dhammaan dhinacyada Soomaaliya”, taas oo uu sheegay Ra’iisul wasaare Zenawi inuu ka caawin doono. Ra’iisulwasaaraha Itoobiya, waxa uu dhowaan sheegay in Somaliland iyo Puntland ay la safnaayeen [dowladdiisa] duullaankii ay dhowaan ku qaadday Maxaakiimta Islaamiga ah ee Soomaaliya. Dhinaca kale, shir jaraa’id oo saxaafadda lagu wargeliyey oo saaka lagu qaban lahaa Madaxtooyada ayaan qabsoomin. Shirkaas jaraa’id oo aan hore loo sii sheegin cidda qabanaysa ayaa la wararku waxay sheegayaan inuu qaban lahaa Agaasimaha Madaxtooyada, kaas oo la sheegay inuu ka jawaabi lahaa shir jaraa’id oo uu Khamiistii qabtay darawalkii hore ee Marwada Madaxweynaha, Abshir Xaashi oo soo bandhigay xogo u markhaati furaya fadeexad musuqmaasuq oo uu wargeyska Haatuf iftiimiyey in qoyska Madaxtooyadu ku lugleedahay, kaas oo sababay in la xidho tifatiraha iyo guddoomiyaha wargeyska Haatuf. C/risaaq M. Dubbad, Hargeysa.

ma ogeen inaad ku faantid

Making exuses for your warlord Riyaale jailed hundreds of innocent Somali from western Somalia in Hergeysa and Northwest like Sheikh Muhammed, and shipped them to Addis Abbaba claiming that captured Terrorists You don't see all those, because you are blind and full of hate

northerner aduu aqoon gaal baa tahay ee iska aamu