Liibaan

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  1. Its about qaranka soomaaliyeed He was in C/Qassim gov as well, so its not A/Y, Buubaa run buusheegay, runtu lama jecla Nin ee dunida oo dhan dhageesanaso, waa nin lawada qadarinayo Waa riyoole ninka cabaadaya, waxaa ka daran, cidba uma jeedo, nin 16 sano cabaadaya oo rajo kasoo socota jirin, Riyaale is the only looser, nin hurdo ku jira
  2. ubaane, adaa ba u eeg mid gaaloobay sidii ICU u tagtay... oo waabad waalataye, Islaam nimadii miyaad tuurtay cay, aflagaado iyo waxbaan dilayaa baa kaa soo hadhay War orodo hadii ee run kaa tahay in aad tahay Allah-ubaahne, Illaah danbi dhaaf weydiiso, waxan aad sheegaso cadaab yeenan cadaab kuu horseedin
  3. Buubaa "waxa jooga waa dadkii dawladdii Siyaad Barre ku jiray ee dhibaatadii umadda lagu hayay ka midka ahaa...kuwa joogaa waxay ahaayeen kuwii NSS-ta ahaa, ee dadka gumaadayay, ayaa maanta leh waxaanu u go’nay sababtoo ah waa nala gumaaday. Waxaasina wax caqliga gala maaha, waxaanay ila tahay in arrimo kale loo jeedo’e, aan loo jeedin wax danta umadda ah. Waayo, anigu waxaan u arkaa danta dadka Somaliland jooga, inay ku jirto inay ka mid noqdaan umadda Soomaaliyeed, oo ay doorkooda ka ciyaaraan kaalinta ay ku yeelanaya.
  4. Liibaan

    SOL Nomads

    Mr mujaahid you described yourself You are pro Somaliland,meaning your are pro Xabashi invasion/ Xabashi use of Barbara, shipping somali people to Addis, You are pro Riyaale and Waraabe,which makes you pro corruption, warlordism, dividing somali people along tribal and colonial lagecy You not only pro-Waraabe, you admire him, you said before Waraabe is like President of Iran You think like Waraabe that wiilka Hergeysa closer to wiilka Addis Ababa, then Wiilka Mogadishu and Laascaanood YOu think the Somaliland exists,which makes you one who spreads lies You shot yourself in the foot Shmame on you waad isi sheegtay, Nin yahow mar uun isku xishood
  5. Dhulka aad Somaliland ku sheegasid idinku mawada lihidin, markaa cid wax idinka weydiinasa majirtu Xabashu in ee Somaliland degtay dhamaan waa lawada ogyahay I am talking about Somalia, the territory between Looya cadde to Raascaambooni Xabashi waa laga xoreenayaa Somalia, and that includes dhulka aad ku sheegasid Somaliland Marka Somalia oo dhan laga xoreeyo xabashida, mar danbe waraabe, Mr. shiicah, iyo kuwa la mid ah lagama maqli doono wiilka hergeysa iyo wiil addis ababa is xiga Dadka caqliga leh, dhulka soomaaliyeed oo dhan waa u dhul soomaaliyeed/somaliland (after all thats what it means)
  6. Liibaan

    SOL Nomads

    Honestly, I personally can't stand pro snm militia/so-called somaliland supporters,all pro corrupt politicians, pro-tribalism, pro division, pro-Xbashi and the people who only know how to spread hate, they only good at spreading lies.
  7. Mr. Shiicah, Xabashi were controlling Hergeysa and Barbara port for more then decade, without fight In Hergeysa, there is militia that is worse then Xabashida, they torture culumo and Somali people from other regoins in front of videos cameras, Melez send a messenger to Hergeysa, to give instructions to the puppet militia, and they will carry out for free siyaasiyiinta Somaliland waxey bilaabeen inay u cabaadaan Xabashida, meeshii ee ka canbaareen lahaayeen Xabashida, wexey ku doodayaan maxey Xabashidu nooga caaweeday Siyaasiinti Somaliland wey jeclaanlahayeen in Xabashidu xuduud beenaadka inay u sooxidhaaan garaad canood how can they be insulting u dont want 2 be part of somaliland and we dont want u there u dont have one wasier in somaliland u have 3 seat in the parlament in hargeysa but thats it we dont want u thats why we keep somaliland daraiwish free stay in taleeh Because still you insist on your hateful views, and moderator didn’t for some reason How about this, you might like it, waayo adaa iga keensaday You don’t want to be part of Somalia (from Looyacadde to & Raaskiyaambooni), and we don’t want u there, we want to keep Somalia-shiicah-free and snm-free, go live inside the red sea (Bada gal)
  8. Mr. shiicah Sool is Darwiishland, the homeland of Daraawiish people, Your comments are very racist and full of hate, I hope that our slow moderator will edit them since they insult to somali people of Sool, sanaag, and cayn Your clan militia/snm will never be recognized and will not continue occupying daraawishland, when you and your adeer waraabe spreading so-called darawiish-free somaliland program, something similar to nazi ideology's (Final Solution)
  9. Liibaan

    Somaliland?

    Red sea, You are hypocritic Just admit that you are another hardline secessionist that defends his clan militia based in Hergeysa right or wrong The reason you are against TFG is tribal (Puntland factor), its not Ethiopia and C/Yusuf Hows your adeer Waraabe, you admitted that you admire his hate massages (for you it is frankness), Do you still believe that Waraabe is like president of Iran, even after his nazi comment? I think so, since both waraabe and you expressed joy over the burning of Somali flag
  10. Azmaya, waa runtaa ninkii soo joog laga waayo, soo jiif baalaga heelaa Sheikh Ahmed Sheikh Shariif was a gentleman; he was a man of peace, he never wanted ICU to invade Jowhar or Baydhabo Sheikh Ahmed recognized TFG and was determined to make compromise to save the country; however, the problem was that he was in the wrong group, at wrong time Aweys iyo Indhamadoobe baa ka masuul ah wixii dhibaata dhacday, dagaal bey ku qaadeen marka, jowhar, kismaayo, buurhakabo, Baydhabo, iyo meelo kale oo badan ICU cidina kama qaadin Mogdishu, ayagaa iska qaaday
  11. Red Sae TFG and Somaliland are same because both them are Xabashi tools, Somaliland could be worse because because in addition being xabashi puppet they also dividing somali people, and burning somali, You are agianst TFG solely for clan reaons, While you support xabashi's use of Berbara, Qofkasta oo soomaali waa muslim waana ku dhwaaqaa Shaahaadada including Riyoole and C/Yusuf, thats not good reason adaa markii ugu horeesay, yidhi dad somali oo muslim ah iyo xabashi waa isku mid Do you still think that Faisal Waraabe is like President of Iran? Red sea iyo Waraabe labaduba waa ku farxeen in la gubo calanka soomaaliyeed Sheikh red sea waxaa tidhi somalinimo waa idol worship, macalinkaaga waraaba na wuxu yidhi somalinimo waa nazi
  12. Red Sea, I never said I support Ethiopia’s troops in Somalia, that’s very clear, However, you admitted that you support the killing and the occupation of SSC people, you have a high regard for Waraabe, for you he is like the President of Iran, and you were the only one in SOL that expressed joy when Somali falg was burned Markaa aduu bakhtigii iyo fuudkiisii ba waad isku darsatay
  13. You still insisting to your accusation that I support Ethiopian troops in Mogadishu, false I will not condemn nor say a word if Sool and Sanaag get nuked today,why, well why should I... I expexted this from your type of people, thanks for declaring that you support the occupation and the killing of SSC people, so there is no point debating with you, honest people make no conditions Specially some one who admire Waraabe, Waraabe continually talks about invading Laascaanood, and for you that’s outspokenness,
  14. Red Sea anaa daalac ii raacasaa, war gaalka xitaa gartiisa wala siiyaa adi Garaad uun baa kuu muuqda maba aragtid khaldkaaga iyo tone How can I understand something, when your clan malitia is invading xudun? and you not even condemning
  15. Thinker, I am just angry over Somaliland’s aggression against the people of SSC There is no fear at all, because I am confident that people of ssc will fight for their freedom Red sea, defend your clan militia and xabashis when they support you Xabashi baan ka doorbidayaa inuu iguumeestu, intuu soomaali iguumeesan lahaa Waayo in aan la dagaalamo shisheeye ayaa ka fiiican intii Somali lawada dhashay aanu la dagaalami laheen All the Somalilander overseas...Are raising money for the army as we type away lol. Do watever? keep in mind Ninkii dhoof ku yimi bey geeridu dhibasaa
  16. somalilanders is that we are very bright group and unlike some unionist False and bias statement You saying we are right, and other are wrong, you just self-righteous and not fair Somaliland militia is invading Xudun (sool) as we speaking, that invalidates your argument i ask from the Unionst side is the same. Well we ask the same as well Let me ask you this question my brother forget about SSC lets say that region is resolved, do you as somali and do you think SOMALIA will allow Somaliland to leave. Lol Somalia will never allow somali british colony, because its irrelevent maybe northwest if they stop their aggression agaisnt ssc Your last point is good one how do we solve, and coexist peacefully? I think its through talk, clan elders meeting and talking, there are alot of inter-marriages between our clans so at the heart of the matter we are brothers the issue is the direction we want to take our people, this all deepens on world involvment in our regions Good points, I think our people can agree and reach solution that should satisfy both northwest and ssc if given chance
  17. Thinker its serious we want freedom like northwest its simple like that
  18. Why brother? we want freedom as well lol
  19. The Rise and fall of Union of Islamic Courts by Abdirahman Adan Mohamoud Brief Introduction Since the toppling of the former regime, Southern Somalia remained lawless country where law and order is the remembrance of the yesteryears. Chaos and disorder spread throughout the country. Competing warlords turned Mogadishu, the capital city, a divided and one of the most dangerous cities in the world. Also, freelance militia men who were answerable to no one roamed the streets of the major towns where they robbed everything that carried whatever value. The once emerging and developing African country was reduced into a lawless and collection of clan-based fiefdoms. In Somaliland, the situation was different as the region unilaterally declared its independence in the aftermath of Somali state failure and maintained relative peace and stability since then. It has taken series of steps to restore governmental institutions. The most recent and the most remarkable ones were the three successful elections held in which the international community recognized as fair and free elections. Following the footsteps of Somaliland, Puntland state of Somalia was formed in 1998 and restored some degree of political stability. However, the rest of the country remained chaotic as the warring faction leaders and militias took the reign of Southern Somalia. The level of anarchy of the country reached to a point where the capital city of Mogadishu has not had an administration since President Mohamed Siyad Bare was ousted early in 1991. The Emergence of Islamic Courts At the peak of the civil war, people in lawless Southern Somalia sought an alternate justice system given the fact that all judiciary was in ruin due to the country’s political turmoil. Tribal elders and religious leaders then turned to Islamic tribal courts where every community or tribesmen established an Islamic court of its own. These courts were initially supposed to restore law and order, punish perpetrators, protect the weak and provide security to the immediate inhabitants of its vicinity. The political situation of Southern Somalia was in disarray when the authority of the Islamic courts spread in Mogadishu and beyond. The Mogadishu-based warlords considered the emergence of the Islamic courts as a direct threat to their interests and decided to curb it before it matures to a very powerful force. Within a short period of time, the security situation of the courts-controlled areas greatly improved and many confessed this positive development. However, the overall political situation of Southern Somalia remained tense and even descended into further violence and increasing insecurity. This was because the warlords in Mogadishu and their militias were not prepared to end the nation’s plea. All the efforts of the International Community to reconcile between the warring factions and install a government of national unity ended in vein. Formation of the Council of Restoration of Peace and Counter Terrorism In 2006, the warlords in Mogadishu embarked on what they called an anti-terrorist campaign. They announced the foundation of a new organization that brought together almost all warlords and dissident government ministers in Mogadishu. Restoration of Peace and Counter Terrorism Alliance announced to fight and destroy Union of Islamic Courts. They also accused UIC of harboring internationally-wanted figures and members of Al-Qaeda Network, pledging they would extradite these figure to their countries of origin- an allegation vigorously and constantly denied by UIC. The formation of this alliance was perceived as an apparent attempt to gain the collaboration and admiration from the US troops in the region and beyond. Most of the warlords who controlled Mogadishu were members of the federal transitional parliament which was formed in neighboring Kenya. Some were even cabinet ministers and assumed ministerial posts. However, there was a strong and bitter division among the Transitional Federal Institutions and these Mogadishu warlords were heading a faction within the government. After being in exile for a number of months, the TFG government moved to Jowhar- a township of 90km west of Mogadishu and controlled by a warlord called Mohamed Omer Habeb (Mohamed Dhere). The speaker of the parliament had a row with the TFG’s top officials including the president and the premier and therefore he opted Mogadishu as his seat. Founding members of this alliance among others included Mohamed Qanyare Afrah, Muse Sudi Yalaxow, Omer Fillish, Abdi Qeybdid, Botan Essa Alin, Bashir Rage Shirar, Abdirashid Ilqayte, Abdi Nour Ziyad, Mohamed Omer Habeeb and their likes. These men vowed to destroy Islamic courts and to extradite the alleged foreigners and Al-Qaeda operatives to the wanted countries. The UIC on their hand believed that warlords are selling Somali religious leader. As a result, this sparked off a deadly and bitter fighting between the Islamic Courts and the Anti-terrorist Alliance. The two parties exchanged allegations and counter allegations. The anti-terrorist alliance for instance, was accusing UIC of bringing the country and protecting internationally-wanted figures. Also, they placed an accusation that UIC was receiving weapons and military equipment from external sources. On the other hand, the UIC criticized Ethiopia and the US government being behind the formation of the counter-terrorism alliance and funding its operations. Fighting Erupts in Mogadishu As the misunderstanding of the UIC and anti terrorist alliance reached its peak, war broke out in Mogadishu, each one pledging to sweep their opponent out of the ground. The anti terrorist alliance was committed to get rid of the Islamic courts. However, they failed to realistically assess the situation as they have underestimated the support and backing of the general public who tired of their domination. In this regard, the local people in Mogadishu underpinned the Islamic courts and generously financed the war until UIC succeeded to oust the Mogadishu warlords. The fighting in Mogadishu claimed the lives of many innocent people- a large number of them women and children and destroyed what little was left after the century-long civil strife. In this fighting, Islamic courts had the upper hand due to the unequivocal support and the open-handedly assistance they have received from Mogadishu citizens. The disgraced warlords haphazardly fled from Mogadishu to every location they considered a safe haven. The people of Mogadishu have been captives-like to warlords for a period of over 15 years and this time seriously wanted to throw them out of Mogadishu for once and for good. This war -as some rightly call it a popular uprising by the people of Mogadishu and for the people of Mogadishu-eventually succeeded to take control of the warlords’ weapons and militias. Premier Ali Gedi saw a golden opportunity to revenge the former warlords and dissident ministers who were opposing his government. Consequently, he gave a deadline for all cabinet ministers to go to Baidao or else face the consequences. Most of the government ministers reached Baidao timely except Mogadishu-based warlords. Premier Gedi added an insult to the injury of the warlords as he sacked them from the cabinet of the ministers. Turning Mogadishu into a stable city The UIC restored peace and order in almost all of the areas they have controlled including the capital city of Mogadishu. Militiamen and their checkpoints were moved from the streets of Mogadishu. The security of Mogadishu greatly improved during the six months time that UIC controlled the capital city. Generations of young men and women enjoyed the first time in their life the dividend of peace and freely moved without checkpoints and the escort of heavily-guarded militias. Also, the first time for over 15 years, the capital city came under a unified administration- a sign made Mogadishu a better place to live. The removal of the warlords and their ousting was a milestone and a painful chapter of Somali history seemed to have been officially closed down. Unfortunately, the Ethiopian troops and the TFG are trying to empower the disgraced warlords once again to take control of their old constituency. Ever since the overthrow of former dictator Mohamed Ziyad Bare, warlords played havoc and destruction on Somalia. They were also an obstacle to any peaceful settlement initiated either by Somalis themselves or friendly/brotherly states. After pacifying most of southern regions, the UIC has yet taken another very important step. In an attempt to ease the economic hardships of the citizens, the UIC re-opened Mogadishu’s national port and airfield. This was a very significant move and the UIC was categorized as the only administration that genuinely addressed the social needs. By turning Mogadishu and most of the southern Somalia into peaceful areas and putting the key infrastructure into functioning, the UIC earned the hearts and minds of almost all the residents of the capital city and beyond. Dialogue Instigates Despite of the increasing misunderstanding of the TFG and the UIC, accusations and counter accusations, they have accepted to have their dispute solved through negotiation table. To this end, the two parties agreed upon invitations sent by Sudanese president to go to Khartoum for dialogue. The two parties sent a very high profile delegation to the meeting. Negotiations started in a conducive atmosphere and kept this path all the way to the end. This climate enabled the two parties to reach a preliminary consensus and as a result, memorandum of understanding was signed by the two parties. As part of this agreement, further meeting was scheduled to be held to resume the dialogue and seriously discuss all binding issues. In the aftermath of these negotiations, the UIC brought further districts and towns under their control and the TFG considered this move as a gross violation of the agreements signed by the two parties. The TFG also on their hand aggressively pursued their attempt to have foreign peace keeping forces in Somalia to secure government buildings and the transitional institutions. However, the courts considered this as acting against the mutual understanding of the two parties and accused the transitional government of bowing down to external pressure. The gap between the two parties widened and even reached a point whereby it is said that courts are planning to attack and conquer Baidao. However, the UIC leaders ruled out any plan to attack Baidao but strongly condemned the Ethiopian government troops’ presence of Somali soil. They called on Ethiopia to leave the country and withdraw its troops. Prime Minister Ali Gedi accused UIC of imposing harsh rule on the provinces they control and grossly violating human rights. These condemnations among others included tough interpretation of Islam, violations of freedom of expression, freedom of assembly, intentional killings and murder. Regarding to this, Gedi pledged that his government would not travel to Sudan for negotiations due to the constant violation of human rights and the courts’ recurring breach of previous agreements. The top officers of the TFG, however, did not all shared such concerns. After rigorous mediation tasks undertaken by the Arab League and mounting pressure was rested on the two parties by the far-sighted Somalis both in the Diaspora and in the home country, the two parties announced that they would attend the negotiation table. Consequently, the second round of negotiations opened in Khartoum under the auspices of the Arab League. The transitional government was represented in this meeting by a delegation led by the speaker of the parliament whereas the delegation of the Islamic Courts combined of civil society representatives, academics and Islamic scholars but all under the leadership of Islamic courts official. What is worth to mention is the environment in which the dialogue convened. Around the 15 national conferences convened for Somalis, foreign mediators played an instrumental role to reach an agreement. In contrast, this time the Somali delegates alone and in the absence of foreign mediators discussed very challenging issues and to the surprise of every one reached a general understanding and consensus. The two negotiating delegations also pledged to attend the next round of talks which was scheduled to take place in Khartoum after 30 days. Misunderstandings Emerge At the initial stage when the courts took the control of Mogadishu, the TFG welcomed the new development in Mogadishu. However, as time elapses, the two parties could not conceal their differences. President Abdilahi Yusuf accused Islamic courts of getting military assistance from foreigners and terrorists who helped take over the full control of Mogadishu. The president blamed the courts using the Islamic hat to spread their influence. He emphasized the legitimacy of his government and the international recognition it enjoys. He therefore, called upon UIC to come under his administration. Although UIC leaders did not hide their recognition towards the legitimacy of the TFG institutions and presidency of Abdilahi Yusuf, they were strongly opposing to the policy of the TFG particularly the deployment of foreign peace-keeping troops. In his inauguration speech, the interim president on his side appealed to the international community the deployment of peace-keeping troops and strongly advocated since then. Islamic courts on their hand pursued an expansionist strategy to spread their influence to further areas. They attacked Jawhar town, a stronghold of Mohamed Dhere, former ally of Abdilahi Yusuf and his host. The UIC took control of the town without facing any viable resistance. The warlord, along with some of his militia, fled to Baidao, to seek refuge under the interim seat of the TFG. The people of Jawhar welcomed the courts and the UIC forces advanced to central regions of Somalia. From this point, the UIC expanded their influence dramatically by conquering most of the southern parts of Somalia. They have taken over the control of all major towns with the exception of the government’s temporary seat under the pretext that the residents of these towns extended to them an invitation to come. The UIC expansionist policy even reached to relative stable towns such as the southern seaport town of Kismayo. The seizure of Kismayo made angry the TFG which lost a great ally and a member of the transitional cabinet. This has also created a war environment whereby the ousted warlord getting support and backing from the TFG and Ethiopia prepared a retaliation attack. However, this was resisted by the Islamic forces ruling the Lower Juba region. The TFG on its hand pursued their demand for international peace keeping troops. This demand was one of the most controversial issues that sparked a bitter division among the TFG in several times. The UIC consistently opposed the whole idea of having foreign peace keeping forces in Somalia and vowed it would fight should they arrive in Somali territories. Yet, Abdilahi Yusuf and his government insisted their position despite of the controversy and dispute it has created. Further, the TFG has succeeded to convince some African countries to help the interim government stand firmly its feet on the ground by sending troops who secure the government institutions. This and the expansionist policy of UIC swerved the direction of the negotiation and the two parties put forward pre-conditions to be met for the dialogue to resume. The external intervention intensified as the Security Council of the United Nations issued a resolution lifting the arms embargo to pave the way the foreign peace-keeping troops. The Security Council, however, exempted the neighboring countries to send their troops inside Somalia. The TFG eagerly welcomed this resolution while the UIC rebuffed it. Many people, however, believe that this resolution gave the Ethiopians the green- light to intervene the Somali crisis and as a result, Ethiopia consolidated its presence inside Somalia. As the situation deteriorated, the two parties prepared for war. War sentiments and war oratory filled the air. At this stage, all the efforts to convince the two parties to resume the negotiation reached a deadlock. The Ethiopian troops crossed the border in their thousands and stationed in Puntland, Bay and Bakol regions in Southern Somalia. The UIC arranged their militias and started a jihad-like preparation in most of the areas they have controlled. Ethiopia and the TFG blindly denied the presence of Ethiopian troops inside Somalia. Later stage, the Ethiopian government would confess that it has military troops in Somalia who go there upon the request of the internationally-recognized transitional government. War Breaks Out Long before the full-fledged war between the UIC forces and military loyal to the TFG backed by the Ethiopian troops broke out, there were skirmishes in the front lines. However, after several days of shelling and counter shelling, an-all-out war broke out in Bay, Bakol, Hiran and southern Galka’ayo. After days of fierce fighting, each one claiming to have sustained his opponent a huge loss, the UIC have their troops withdrawn from the front lines, interpreting this move as war tactics. It was apparent that Ethiopians have well-trained and better equipped military as well as superiority in military equipment when compared to the forces loyal to UIC, however, many expected a war that would last for a long time. Conversely, the TFG forces along with the Ethiopians prevailed over their opponents in no time. The fiercest resistance took place in Moode-Moode, Idaale and Daynuunay areas. After the fighting around Baidao, which each party claimed to have killed hundreds of their enemies, the UIC pulled out of their troops from the major towns. This has paved the road to the successive takeover of the victorious mixed troops of Ethiopians and the TFG forces. The TFG and Ethiopian troops approached to Mogadishu, the capital city of Somalia. The ruling UIC and their troops left the town to unknown destiny. This enabled the allied forces of the Ethiopians and the TFG forces to enter the capital city without resistance. In their last press conference in Mogadishu, the leaders of the UIC expressed how they were ready to respect the will of the Somali people and transferred power as to how the local people desire. Ingredients of Failure a) Incompatibility On the other hand, little was known of the chemistry and composition of Islamic Courts. It was clear that members of Islamic courts and their leaders belonged to different religious denominations. They have just united their resources for one purpose-to fight against the warlords in Mogadishu. The leader of the union is said to be Sheikh Sharif Shiekh Ahmed, a 42 year old and a teacher by profession. The Libyan trained lawyer emerged to be moderate and get along with most of the people. He turned to be a man with great articulation and managed to earn the admiration of many civilians through his countless interviews and speeches. The admiration of this young leader reached to a point whereby a prominent Somali Website “Hiiraan Online” named him as the man of the year “2006”. Many, however, believed that Sheikh Hassan Dahir Aweis, the former leader of Al-Itihad religious denomination was the real man who steers the UIC activities. Sh. Dahir Aweys a former military colonel was heading Al-Itihad religious group when they attempted to seize the control of North Eastern regions through the barrel of gun. Similarly, many political analysts defined UIC as a loose grouping that comprised of different groups of people with different religious ideologies. These include Islamic hardliners, reformists, members of Al-Islaax movement, civil society members and Jihadists. Adan Hashi Ayro, a young Somali in his mid thirties and reportedly trained in Afghanistan was said to be leading jihadist Shabaab sect. Yusuf Ziyad Indhacade, the former ruler of Lower Shabele, held very high profile post which is the head of security of UIC. Indha’Ade is counted as one of the most hardliners and the most controversial figures of UIC leaders. Through their abusing speeches, these two and their likes within the UIC failed to gain the hearts and minds of the local people and instead created hostility and enmity for the UIC. For instance, Sh. Hassan Turki, made a speech in Kismayo town after it has fallen to UIC troops. He publicly announced the intention of UIC leaders which was to expand their influence as far as Somaliland. He even pledged that his troops would triumph over Puntland and Somaliland should they attempt to stop them. b)Hasty Decisions On the social aspect, they have taken certain steps that many people considered as hasty moves. For instance, the restriction imposed on the freedom of the people was widely seen as something that would backfire the popularity of the UIC. Restrictions imposed on social gatherings as well as the ban of world cup tournaments greatly distorted the reputation of the UIC. In economic terms, they banned the trade of the Qat which is n stimulant element widely used in Somalia. The ban of Qat has without doubt its countless implications in terms of financial, health, and social aspects. Many people, however, argued that before issuing jurisdictions forbidding its trade, a broad-based and carefully- defined policy was required in order to address the problems that stem from Qat. Many academics argued that Qat is a liability to the national economy and has a negative impact on social and health to its users. Yet, as widespread unemployment prevails in the country, many people depend on it for their daily earnings. These are mostly orphans and female bread-winners. In short, many people fiercely opposed this move and even expressed their disapproval through demonstrations. The truth is that UIC lost a lot of supporters and sympathizers due to is move. c)Poor Diplomacy Most of the UIC leaders lack the vision and experience to plan and lead a nation. They were just religious scholars who mobilized Mogadishu residents to resist against the warlords. What they lacked is the skill and expertise to run a country with established institutions let alone a country struggling to emerge from chaos and disarray. In the meantime Ethiopians and the TFG were coordinating the logistical and necessary preparatory arrangements to launch an-all-out war on UIC militia, the UIC and its military commanders acted in a manner that naked of diplomacy. They announced that they will launch a jihad against Ethiopia and failed to convince their cause to the friendly and neighboring countries. The courts would have consistently demanded that Ethiopia withdraws its troops from Somalia. In the meantime, they would have attempted to gather diplomatic support from the countries in the region and beyond as well the regional bodies such as IGAD, Arab League etc. Instead and to the surprise of even their sympathizers, they have given an ultimatum to Ethiopia to have its troops withdrawn from Somalia or else face the consequence. Although the UIC leaders withdrawn this deadline, yet many countries interpreted this as a declaration of war. d)Internal Divisions It is now apparent that the UIC leaders were not in agreement with the war plan. Some elements within the UIC deliberately started the war without the consultation of their colleagues. As reliable sources indicate, UIC representatives were having dialogue with external intermediaries when the war broke out- a strong clue that indicates the decision to go to war was taken by some extremist elements within the UIC. The mystery, however, is the absence of Yusuf Indhacade from the country. Yusuf Indhacade, being the man who gave Ethiopians the seven day ultimatum left the country shortly before the war broke out as reliable sources confirmed. His absence, as a strong proponent of “Jihad” against Ethiopia, left concerns and speculations among the Somalis. However, the fact that he was away from the country when Somalia was at war in which many citizens held him responsible leaves his loyalty and rhetoric under question. Despite of all these shortcomings and limitations, the reasonable Somalis would agree that UIC managed to restore peace and stability to the regions they controlled- an attempt many including the super powers failed to realize. Similarly, UIC would be remembered for chasing away the notorious warlords from Mogadishu and re-opening the key infrastructures. On the other hand, they would also be remembered for their attempt to restrict the personal freedoms. Recommendations Somalia is now going through a very sensitive stage and it badly needs visionary leadership and pragmatic policies to be managed its state of affairs. The TFG’s top officers who now control most of the country are required to carefully think the current critical situation and handle the country’s affairs in a manner of far-sightedness and statesmanship. The following steps could save the country from descending into further violence and anarchy. In an effort to seek the genuine reconciliation, the TFG must be engaged in a grass-root reconciliation that involves all segments of the society be it religious leaders, remnants of UIC forces and supporters, civil society groups and former military officers. The TFG should issue a pardon for the forces loyal to the defeated UIC and those qualified enough must be incorporated with the TFG police and military forces after they are trained. As part of the reconciliation program, the TFG must start serious and authentic dialogue with the remnants of the UIC leaders and the moderate ones should be involved in post-war administration. TFG must not rule out the possibility of having a dialogue with the leaders of the UIC in order a government of national to be installed. Ethiopia must withdraw its troops from the country within the shortest period possible. TFG top officers must realize the with the assistance of foreign troops, they will not be able to impose peace and tranquility upon Somalis should they fail to earn the trust and credibility of their people Limited peace-keeping forces with the exception of front line states must be stationed at the important infrastructure, government buildings and checkpoints to help the efforts to restore peace and stability The Government must not attempt to disarm Mogadishu residents through the use of gun point. The disarmament program must be carefully planed and the local people must be involved in the process. Also, it must be simultaneously carried out throughout the TFG controlled areas. The disgraced and defeated warlords must not be empowered once again. They must not be allowed to play any further havoc on the country in which they turned to the land of lawlessness and mayhem -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Abdirahman Adan Mohamoud Freelance Writer This is my personal view and therefore it will not be attributed to the position/point of view of any organization/group of individuals that I am associated with in any way Reference: Hiiraan.com awdalnews.com somaliweyn.com www.un.org/sc/doc bbcsomali.com Interviews with informed individuals and intellectual comrades
  20. For me, I have to worry about somaliland & xabashis occupying adhicadeeye, before I deal with the xabashis in Mogadishu
  21. ********** (Red sea), waayo guumeesi baa u ooyasaa I didn’t say I support Ethiopian troops in Mogadishu, you just accusing me for some odd reasons Anyways, I have to worry about somalilanders -xabashis occupying adhicadeeye, before I deal with the xabashis in Mogadishu In preceding thread, you said you admire Waraabe because he is outspoken like Ahmadnejid president of Iran, maybe you were referring to this ““ wiilka Hargeysa iyo addis ababa kudhashay waa is xigaan” Brother don’t lie, I never see you talking about expelling Ethiopian civilians, and troops, stopping Ethiopian airlines to enter your imaginary Somaliland, and banning xabashi s to use Barbara port that’s if you are serious, then I might support you otherwise no one want to entertain your two-facedness TFG is at least a legitimate government, has a broad base meaning all clans/regions are represented, and a product of long and intense Somali peace and reconsolidation conference. True, some members of TFG are warlords but that’s understandable since all Somali leaders are warlords including to your leader riyoole and dear adeer waraabe Somaliland is one-clan project, and Riyoole was elected by people of northwest _______________ Stop the aflagaado. A first warning. [ January 18, 2007, 11:58 PM: Message edited by: Miskiin-Macruuf-Aqiyaar ]
  22. Mr. snm crusade, The fact that you support the burning of Somali flag, and still did not apologize, Shows your true colours Burning Somali flag is itself an aggression Ethiopian troops helped snm, and now they are in Hergeysa, stop your nonsence there is no reason to discuss with you, You support adeer waraabe (waxaa ixiga wiil addis ababa ku dhashay), in previous thread you waraabe is like president of Iran …..
  23. Although I oppose burning flags in principal People of Sool Sanaag & Buuhoodle burned the flag of Northwest in response to the burning of Somali flag, so this a simply retaliation True, two wrongs don't make it right, but today people of Laascaanood and Buuhoodle send a clear message to people who burned the Somali flag, that its no will tolerate burning Somali flag. Somaliland flag was burned in the north and more specially was burned in regions within the territories of former British Somaliland, I didn’t surprise with mujaahid snm, he supported the buring of Somali flag, and now when he realized that his flag could also be burned arguing two wrongs don't make it right
  24. Thinker How about if I say, you as well will never expect SSC (Sool sanaag buuhoodle ) leave your Somaliland Former British Somali colony and the current Hargeysa-based-admin is totally two different thing that have no link its like SUN and MOON The current Hargeysa-based-admin (So-called Somaliland) is only northwest and is one-clan project Somali people might not had single political entity in the past, but Somali people had a shared long history of coexistence in Somali peninsula (in horn of Africa), British Somaliland and Italian somaliland are two former colonies now a irrelevant history Somali people of former British colony never had a separate history apart from other Somali people in the north and south Somalia before colonial era People of Awdal had long history of close association with Djibouti People of Sool sanaag and Buuhoodle had long history of close association with northeast Somalia, and togdheer more than Hargeysa or Barbara And when we speak about north Somalia that includes the areas of both presently Somaliland and Puntland The idea of British Somaliland (Foreign product)only born in Berlin Conference in 1883-1884 in theory, and came to end in 1960, there was never a border between the people of sool and bari before british before the dark colonial era To divide Somali people along irrelevant colonial borders is absurd and unjust, I believe, thank God that have long gone In the end its comes down to not Sool and Saang for you, its the secession aspect that you cant take, Thats completely false and it only shows a narrow and subjective view For me, the issue of SSC is very crucial; I strongly believe my home region (Sool Sanaag and cayn) as an integral part of Somalia, because I care my country Somalia and my homeregoin SCC Regarding, the secession its NOT my business, whoever wants to secede can do so without interfering my home region SSC you bring up the pandra box issue, its not main concern for me, but in real world International community cares, even Ethiopia that wishes to keep Somalia weak and divided is not ready for pandora box the world body the AU, EU, IGAD, USA, TFG in the end will have to sit down with somaliland the world body the AU, EU, IGAD, USA, TFG in the end will have to sit down with North central region (SSC) as well ANYWAYS, Brother all day we going circles, and every time we are back to square one Therefore the core of our argument is as follows; You telling me, its pro union camp that don’t want to let Northwest leave the union Well I am saying as well, its pro secession camp that don’t want to let Sool, Sanaag, and Cayn[buuhoodle] to choose their way and remain united with Somalia We have discussed enough, how we can solve, and coexist peacefully? Bring forward ideas