Never Mind as well. I had to come back to delete what I wrote. It is never comfortable to talk about politics.

never mind.

Socrates, That is what I thought. Sorry bro.

PalTalk, if you were an independent thinker, you would have realized by now that americans are at the disposal of utilitarian political, corporate and military leaders who view flesh and blood as human capital, easily usable and disposable in the march for the accumulation of wealth, power and resources. We are in a complete dictatorship where schoolchildren are interrogated by the Security Agents. A manipulative leadership who produced within two years a paranoid society afraid of the shades seeing evil in everyone. I don't get your foolish drumbeat for lost dreams, spoiled lives, and corrupted whitehouse ruled by millionaires who are making it rich on our backs. They are sending people's kids to wars while they never fought in one. And it is silly of you to mention my mother when you couldn't handle the facts on your face. If I write like a child as you alleged, it would have been easy for you to counter a child's mumbling. Use your brains, I don't think you have faith in what you write, you want to see how people react to you right? let me know for I don't need to waste my time debunking your myth by telling you about the American lack-of-freedom, the homeland insecurity, the poverty striken, bleeding society through gun violence, and drug addicted majority in need of a help.

Paltalk, crying wolf now huh? Who is propagandizing who here? Most often proud to be an american means proud to be a christian. The only group who are mostly vocal about patriotic bullshit are white christian men letting loose their bias against others through the guise of patirotism and Americanism. Real Americans are open minded, unhypocritically patriotic, less superstitious, more thoughtful and finally, they don't rub bogus patriotism on people's faces looool. Come to think of it, How come I get the feeling that you are screaming when you write? Or I am just being mean? Sorry if I hurt. Oops :cool:

Yes, And you could be very sensitive to racial stuff. Believe me, if you have premonition of something, it is likely all you can see sometimes is your premonitions come true. Thanks.

Paltalk, Apply for an intern at the white-house, they could surely use automotons who can be programmed for the social change taking place in america. The lack of freedom of expression in america, King Gearge's rule, Evangelical Aschroft's loathing for the constitution need someone with your qualifications. Join one of those social climbers at the whitehouse, your moral example. And while you are at it, don't forget that all politicians are Social Climbers, usually Drunken, often Adulterous, and always Lying, Thieving and Conniving, Join people who want to be at the top looking down on others and stealing from them. The word freedom doesn't have any meaning nowadays other than lack-of-freedom, so I would advice you to not put yourslef in a position where you can be the laughing stock lol. But, if you opened this thread to tease somalis, that is fine Paltalk. I hope you don't believe in the bullshit you wrote. Large percentage of Americans are actually fed up with people like you. Basically fascists and nazis in office stumpeding the world through bogus freedom only to suck the life out of others.

Shaqsii, If I misunderstood your question, my apologies. Gediid, Tribe doesn't matter to everyone. I don't believe it does anything for me other than telling people what tribe I belong to to get them off my back and stop their curiousity. They wouldn't even discuss with you, or talk to you without them knowing your tribe if you want to share a seat with them, or take the break with them at work. I devised a plan though, to calm their nerves and make them feel at ease, One day I walked up to my fellow co-workers and told them that I am cool with everything they wanted to discuss about, and they can start complaining about my tribe if they wanted to . They all laughed and from that day on, Trust was built and they could talk about my tribe sometimes while ME sitting right in their middle since they had a permission to endulge themselves. I saw them keep quite few times I walked to them, so I figured I should make the brothers feel at ease with their tribal politics and bottomless obsession with who is who and who done what. That is why I told them what tribe I was. Sometimes people get carried away though. Anyway, I know you guys might scratching your heads to figure out who I am, but better deal with me on the premisis of me being Muslim-Somali definitely. Take care.

For Loyalty, one should be with what is right all the time, regardless of clan or other affliations people claim to belong to. We are individuals and come under an umbrella name(clan), it is just an identity and that is all. It wasn't supposed to be something you judge by, give for, kill for, hate for, love for and I know many somalis just do that. I think tribe enables one to know where one comes from, and should be all. Friendships and acquintances are by choice and based on interest rather than Qabiiil in my view. Nothing less nothing more. As for the people among somalis, who were undermined and despised for generations, and without any reasonable grounds that I was told or know about, I think they should understand that a despised person is truly the one who despises himself, and they shouldn't succumb to the inhuman comments and treatments coming to them from others, in the end, believing in yourself is what matters. It is tragic somalis behave in such a way towards each other, but it is also something common among human beings as I noticed. They picker about who is nobler all the time and who is not, who is black and who is white etc. Such undermined somali brothers should fight for their right even if they have to die defending their rights FROM insolent Nomads gone awry I would. Given the fact that when you see a somali person coming towards you in an alley, or one riding the bus with you, or another driving by, that you recognize him/her as a somali, and not as of a particular clan is evident that somalis are one. Being somali comes first for every somali both consciously and subconsciously. It doesn't matter whether one says he chooses his clan or not, the somali traits by which people recognize you come first. You can't be your clan without being somali first So, is there a point in the first place to choose one, when you can't be without the other? Take care everyone.